Monster Cable Kit 2.1

[thatsright]

Originally posted by: Patrick Wolf
Seen Here.

Anyone using this cable kit upgrade with their ProMedia 2.1? Is it a worthy upgrade?

I hope so seeing as I just ordered one for $35.80. 🙂

NO.

I have the exact same speakers. Bought the monster kit as well. NO DIFFERNECE.

Sorry to be a sourpuss dude, but save that box for the RMA. (At least they were pretty easy about the return. )


BTW: The PM 2.1's BEST $150 I've ever spent!

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: thatsright

Originally posted by: Patrick Wolf
Seen Here.

Anyone using this cable kit upgrade with their ProMedia 2.1? Is it a worthy upgrade?

I hope so seeing as I just ordered one for $35.80. 🙂

NO.

I have the exact same speakers. Bought the monster kit as well. NO DIFFERNECE.

Sorry to be a sourpuss dude, but save that box for the RMA. (At least they were pretty easy about the return. )


BTW: The PM 2.1's BEST $150 I've ever spent!

the monster kit cleans up the static problem the stock cables have 100%. if you're not having that problem then you probably don't need the upgraded cables. if you DO have that problem this fixed it for me. considering how great the speakers sound it didn't bother me throwing down 30 bucks to improve them.

 

[CrispyFried]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: thatsright

Originally posted by: Patrick Wolf
Seen Here.

Anyone using this cable kit upgrade with their ProMedia 2.1? Is it a worthy upgrade?

I hope so seeing as I just ordered one for $35.80. 🙂

NO.

I have the exact same speakers. Bought the monster kit as well. NO DIFFERNECE.

Sorry to be a sourpuss dude, but save that box for the RMA. (At least they were pretty easy about the return. )


BTW: The PM 2.1's BEST $150 I've ever spent!

the monster kit cleans up the static problem the stock cables have 100%. if you're not having that problem then you probably don't need the upgraded cables. if you DO have that problem this fixed it for me. considering how great the speakers sound it didn't bother me throwing down 30 bucks to improve them.

static just means your original cables were defective, probably a poor connection at the 1/8" jack.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Originally posted by: Astrallite
That's a very wide reaching statement. Depends on your budget. Considering most people spend less than $500 on their receivers, yes I do believe in these differences. Check out soundstageav.com. There are measurable differences in amps ranging from $1k to $20k there that deviate as much as 0.8db based on load and frequency.

I didn't say anything about frequency deviation, rolloff, distortion...I mentioned damping factor in modern solid state amplifiers realisticially having an impact on transients resulting in audiable overhang or output loss.

BTW, half the amps on that review site are tube amps, I mentioned modern solid state.

It's pretty obvious damping factor is a massive and widely differing spec from amp to amp. From rough eyeballing alone, damping from a few amps from 10-5KHz (2-5KHz being the "prescence region") is variable by at least a factor of 12.You can bet your wallet different cables will interact differently with those damping factors.

One of the reasons they vary so much is, again, that tube amps make up a majority of that list. I will bet my wallet that damping factor is one of the most useless specs and you mentioning it as something someone should pay attention to is...kind of silly. Proper cable sizes to negate any realistic differences in resistance is the only thing needed...and I'm pretty sure a manufactor would include those....atleast I hope.

Here's the question--do you NOT believe the damping factors are different from amp to amp?

No, not the ones I mentioned
I'm sorry but a realistic maximum loss of around 70-100ms decay time and PERHAPS .25-.5db with a single digit damping factor is hardly something I'd worry about...which would make it the absolute worst solid state I've ever seen. Someone could turn the enclosure that houses their HF device an inch and potentially loss more energy then that.

System Q is the absolute "realistic" leader, proper enclosure alignments and frequency range usage are the only thing someone needs to pay attention to for "tightness".


There are so many papers done on the true effects of damping that I shouldn't have to link any.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: CrispyFried

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: thatsright

Originally posted by: Patrick Wolf
Seen Here.

Anyone using this cable kit upgrade with their ProMedia 2.1? Is it a worthy upgrade?

I hope so seeing as I just ordered one for $35.80. 🙂

NO.

I have the exact same speakers. Bought the monster kit as well. NO DIFFERNECE.

Sorry to be a sourpuss dude, but save that box for the RMA. (At least they were pretty easy about the return. )


BTW: The PM 2.1's BEST $150 I've ever spent!

the monster kit cleans up the static problem the stock cables have 100%. if you're not having that problem then you probably don't need the upgraded cables. if you DO have that problem this fixed it for me. considering how great the speakers sound it didn't bother me throwing down 30 bucks to improve them.

static just means your original cables were defective, probably a poor connection at the 1/8" jack.

i went through 3 sets of speakers with the same problem. so if they were defective than they were defective by design. i'm not the only person with this problem. so for whatever reason they were junk, and the monster cables fixed the problem. period.

 

[BOLt]

Originally posted by: merlocka

Originally posted by: Patrick Wolf

Originally posted by: foofoo

Originally posted by: merlocka
These cables will transform the sound of your ProMedia 2.1's. The Magnetic Flux Tube helps eliminate Cu skin effect, and enhances frequency response for laserlike crystalline high's. The PureSolid copper technology improves electron transients, which will dramatically improve bass response, for a balanced mid-bass transition while maintaining the low frequncy SLAM.

In short, I'm not sure how anyone can listen to ProMedia's without these.

LOL

try googling "tice clock" for another audiophile doublespeak class.
sad thing is that i have really good audio components and can hear the differences. people that write copy like this are just babbling meaningless (literally) technospeak. and it makes me very suspicious of their product.

I don't know where merlocka copied that from. It doesn't even say that on the Klipsch website...

LOL. I made that up. Your sarcasm meter needs calibration. Monster cable is snake oil.

Originally posted by: plagiarist
Monster cable = brokeback.

Nice and nice.

Originally posted by: foofoo

Originally posted by: Patrick Wolf
maximum affect.

this isnt actually in something printed or on a web site is it?

i actually do experimental physics and this is pure bs.

I sure hope it's not printed on a web site. It's clearly ineffective to make a mistake such as this which affects one's grammatical sense so severely.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Originally posted by: thatsright

Originally posted by: Patrick Wolf
Seen Here.

Anyone using this cable kit upgrade with their ProMedia 2.1? Is it a worthy upgrade?

I hope so seeing as I just ordered one for $35.80. 🙂

NO.

I have the exact same speakers. Bought the monster kit as well. NO DIFFERNECE.

Sorry to be a sourpuss dude, but save that box for the RMA. (At least they were pretty easy about the return. )


BTW: The PM 2.1's BEST $150 I've ever spent!

Well, I got the speaker set and the cable kit and have been testing them out to see if there's a difference. I have one monster cable connected to one speaker and the original cable connected to the other speaker, listening to various songs, there is "virtually" no difference that I can hear. But, there is also something I read that having a better (thicker) cable can put less stress on the amp that has to push the sound through the wire to the speaker (this creates a longer life for the amp), and I don't remember what kind of cable puts less stress on the amp, maybe it was just plain ole' 16-gauge, I'm not sure. Can anyone clarify this?

I'm also not sure if I want to return the upgrade kit, but I probably won't, mainly because I can't find the receipt and it may have already been 30 days since purchase.

Either way, I am happy with the upgrade kit, just wish it didn't cost that much...

BTW, I got my PM 2.1 from ebay for $99.00, basically new. :thumbsup:

 

[Snooper]

Originally posted by: Patrick Wolf
But, there is also something I read that having a better (thicker) cable can put less stress on the amp that has to push the sound through the wire to the speaker (this creates a longer life for the amp), and I don't remember what kind of cable puts less stress on the amp, maybe it was just plain ole' 16-gauge, I'm not sure. Can anyone clarify this?

I'm also not sure if I want to return the upgrade kit, but I probably won't, mainly because I can't find the receipt and it may have already been 30 days since purchase.

Brother. Do me a favor. Take that cheap set of wire that came with your speakers and hook up a good DMM from end to end on one wire and measure the resistance and write it down. Now do the same for the new MC wire. And now do it for the speaker.

What did you find? That the resistance of the speaker is SO much larger than that of even the "bad" wires that the wire resistance will have NO impact on the performance of that amp! You want less stress on the amp? Turn the damn volume down!

All the noise about how much of an impact the capacitance of the wire can impact the music is also crap. Take a close look at the sub woofer. Right there were the wires connect to the basket of the speaker. See that round thing that the little jumper wires connect to? That is called the voice coil. Do you know what it really is? I huge freaking inductor! That will swamp out ANY trivial amount of capacitance that the cable could provide.

I'll never forget a big test one of the big home stereo / autiophile magazines did on assorted cables/wires several years ago (15 or so). This was when MC was on the rise and just starting to make noise in the interconnect market. This mag took several different cables from stock, to MCs, to some other brands I don't remember to 14 gauge lamp cord bought at a hardware store and put them all through several different tests (both electrical and double blind listening tests).

The final verdict? They couldn't measure any difference in signal between the assorted large gauge cables and the 14 gauge zip cord. And the zip cord came out on TOP in the double blind listening tests!

If you are trying to convience yourself that you made a good purchase, great! MCs are good wire. They are just WAY over priced and WAY overhyped. That is what they sell.

Just don't try to convence yourself that you made a WISE purchase. Because you could have gotten the same results (and maybe better!) is a $5 roll of 14 gauge lamp cord from Home Depot.