Monkeypox Virus

[fskimospy]

I actually feel a bit sorry for you if you honestly don't get it.... I know I give you crap from time to time but I did think you were a decent guy.

I will just have to find a way to carry on without your approval then. Wish me luck.

Do you also refer to sickle-cell anemia as a "black" disease?

No, because a more accurate description would be that it’s a malaria zone disease including places like India, which has one of the highest incidences of sickle cell disease in the world.

If you’re talking about America though sure, I would have no problem stating the fact that this disorder is about 2500% more likely to be present in a newly born African American baby than a newly born white baby. It’s a disease that overwhelmingly affects the black community in the US and there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging reality. In fact, it’s very helpful because then we can direct help where it’s needed most!

 

[Captante]

I will just have to find a way to carry on without your approval then. Wish me luck.


No, because a more accurate description would be that it’s a malaria zone disease including places like India, which has one of the highest incidences of sickle cell disease in the world.

If you’re talking about America though sure, I would have no problem stating the fact that this disorder is about 2500% more likely to be present in a newly born African American baby than a newly born white baby. It’s a disease that overwhelmingly affects the black community in the US and there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging reality. In fact, it’s very helpful because then we can direct help where it’s needed most!

You really are not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

 

[fskimospy]

You really are not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

I don’t know, I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy. I’m sorry to have once again disappointed you but I’m sure you have some really good reasons behind your decision.

Just so you know there is no point in attempting to insult me - you will not succeed in making me mad or sad or whatever your desired outcome is.

 

[Captante]

I don’t know, I like to think I’m a pretty smart guy.

I'm sure you do.

 

[Captante]

Just so you know there is no point in attempting to insult me - you will not succeed in making me mad or sad or whatever your desired outcome is.

How about if you just stop posting?

I wasn't the one confusing my opinion with fact.

 

[hal2kilo]

The method of transmission is irrelevant to my point.


Great, so you agree with me.


As I said it is a disease that is currently overwhelmingly spreading among the gay community because this is a fact. I’m sorry if reality makes you sad but what I think is disgusting is to have people in denial push narratives that take needed medical resources away from the communities most affected.

Right now it is a disease almost exclusively affecting gay men. If you find yourself in a place where you don’t want to admit that you should take a step back and think about how you got to this place. Maybe in the future it will spread outside the gay community and this is something we should take seriously, but our first commitment should always be to living in reality.

Also, the vaccine is in limited supply so it should be targeted to where it has the most effect. This has nothing to do with making a moral judgement.

 

[fskimospy]

Also, the vaccine is in limited supply so it should be targeted to where it has the most effect. This has nothing to do with making a moral judgement.

Exactly. We have limited medical resources and so we are should target the populations that would benefit most from them. As of this time this is the gay community. If it were spreading almost exclusively among left handed Cajuns then I would want to prioritize them instead. This should not be a complicated or contentious thing.

It’s pretty weird how apparently the ‘pro-gay’ view is to pretend not to realize their community is at risk and so indirectly contribute to additional sickness and death among gay men. What a wonderful show of support.

 

[Captante]

Also, the vaccine is in limited supply so it should be targeted to where it has the most effect. This has nothing to do with making a moral judgement.

Saying that sexual activity potentially spreads the disease and that so far it's mainly been spreading among gay men would make the above accurate.

Calling Monkey-Pox a "gay-disease" is hateful and prejudicial and there's absolutely ZERO excuse for doing so. Anyone doing so is a bigot.

Words DO matter at least in my world.

 

[Paratus]

Two things can be simultaneously true:

1) anyone CAN contract this.
2) the people contracting it are OVERWHELMINGLY men having sex with other men.

It’s definitely a gay thing and anyone saying otherwise is in denial. We shouldn’t be afraid to say what is true.

Really?

What it is, is a "spread by physical contact with sores and bodily-fluids" thing per doctors.

Last time I checked gay men have a LOT of anal-sex which makes that kind of spread MUCH more likely. (just like HIV)

So NO its NOT a "gay disease" and YES "saying that" IS disgusting. (you should be ashamed... "Elite" in what way exactly?)

First point, fski never called it a “gay disease”. He called it a “gay thing” with the unwritten but implied assumption of “right now” based on his correct statement that “anyone could contract this”

His direct statement of it overwhelmingly affecting gay men having sex with men is spot on.

I have LGBTQ family members and they have expressed an interest in getting vaccinated when it becomes available because even though they are at a point in their life where they are at an extremely small risk level they understand the danger to themselves and their community.

I too remember the HIV epidemic in the 80’s. I agree that when framing the current situation it’s important to point out that while it’s almost exclusively traveling in certain gay male communities it’s important to clarify it can infect anyone (which Fski did in that post).

I’ve seen fski post here for years and know that his posts are not bigoted against LGBTQ. I think you’ve wrongly interpreted what he’s said.

 

[Captante]

First point, fski never called it a “gay disease”.

Close enough.... stop trying to justify.

IME the best bet if one loses their temper and says stuff they don't mean or that offends others is to apologize for being a dick-bag not double-down.

I think you’ve wrongly interpreted what he’s said.

If he had been humble about it instead of acting like a jerk I might agree.

Maybe he should try behaving like he actually rates that "Elite" title and set a positive example instead of getting defensive.



EDIT: The BEST thing I can say here is that his comments were insensitive and thoughtless. Intentions do matter but only so much.

 

[fskimospy]

First point, fski never called it a “gay disease”. He called it a “gay thing” with the unwritten but implied assumption of “right now” based on his correct statement that “anyone could contract this”

His direct statement of it overwhelmingly affecting gay men having sex with men is spot on.

I have LGBTQ family members and they have expressed an interest in getting vaccinated when it becomes available because even though they are at a point in their life where they are at an extremely small risk level they understand the danger to themselves and their community.

I too remember the HIV epidemic in the 80’s. I agree that when framing the current situation it’s important to point out that while it’s almost exclusively traveling in certain gay male communities it’s important to clarify it can infect anyone (which Fski did in that post).

I’ve seen fski post here for years and know that his posts are not bigoted against LGBTQ. I think you’ve wrongly interpreted what he’s said.

Yes, saying that it is an issue with the gay community is not saying it is an issue because being gay is bad, it is describing reality as it currently exists.

I think the HIV epidemic is a good reference point too - the real crime in the government’s response was to base health decisions on moral judgment instead of health. Because they thought being gay was bad it was okay to deprioritize the health of that community. Amusingly now in the supposed cause of gay acceptance we are supposed to promote narratives that…deprioritize the health of the gay community.

Not that it should matter and we are all aware of the whole ‘black friend’ thing but my brother is gay and my wife identifies as queer after spending most of her adult life identifying as gay. Anyone who thinks I’m homophobic can eat shit.

 

[Captante]

Anyone who thinks I’m homophobic can eat shit.

You have a NICE day too!


MAYBE the way to go here would have been to just say this normally in a way that would only serve to get your point across rather then defending the offensive stuff you posted. (nah that's just crazy-talk)

 

[fskimospy]

You have a NICE day too!

My apologies for sullying the reputation of elite members by not setting a sufficiently inspiring example for an obscure forum of middle aged nerds.

 

[Captante]

an obscure forum of middle aged nerds

I somehow doubt your sincerity lol .... and this would include you!

It's a genuine shame you can't see why what you posted was mean/offensive and feel like it's more important for you to "be right" then to do the right thing.

 

[Greenman]

Close enough.... stop trying to justify.

IME the best bet if one loses their temper and says stuff they don't mean or that offends others is to apologize for being a dick-bag not double-down.







If he had been humble about it instead of acting like a jerk I might agree.

Maybe he should try behaving like he actually rates that "Elite" title and set a positive example instead of getting defensive.



EDIT: The BEST thing I can say here is that his comments were insensitive and thoughtless. Intentions do matter but only so much.

I don't believe it's possible you could go further out of your way to be offended. What's the point of this charade? Look at the US infection numbers for monkey pox, then explain to me why we should be using any of the limited amount of vaccine on anyone other than gay men.

 

[fskimospy]

I somehow doubt your sincerity lol .... and this would include you!

It's a genuine shame you can't see why what you posted was mean/offensive and feel like it's more important for you to "be right" then to do the right thing.

I am a middle aged nerd, yes.

What I wrote was not mean or offensive, it was an accurate description of reality. The right thing to do is correctly understand reality so we can utilize our resources to help as many people as possible, even if that reality makes some people sad.

 

[VRAMdemon]

RWNJ supporters of Kari Lake, the Republican nominee for Arizona governor, has called for LGBTQ+ people to be put into camps to stop the spread of monkeypox.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/winger-calls-lgbtq-people-put-143019934.html

“We need to quarantine and isolate all the folks of the LGBT community,” Ethan Schmidt-Crockett said in a video posted to social media. “We need to find all of them. We need to hunt them down and put them into isolation camps for their own protection.”

The party of "freedom" that opposed quarantine measures in 2020 suddenly realizes they’re great, when given an opportunity to abuse people they already hate!”

 

[Captante]

I am a middle aged nerd, yes.

What I wrote was not INTENDED TO BE mean or offensive AND I REALIZE I SHOULD HAVE WORDED IT DIFFERENTLY. It was an accurate description of reality BUT THAT'S NO EXCUSE FOR BEING MEAN AND OFFENSIVE.

Ftfy.

Figured I'd help you out with what SHOULD be obvious. (but somehow isn't)

 

[Captante]

I don't believe it's possible you could go further out of your way to be offended. What's the point of this charade? Look at the US infection numbers for monkey pox, then explain to me why we should be using any of the limited amount of vaccine on anyone other than gay men.

I think you've entirely missed my point.

 

[fskimospy]

Ftfy.

Figured I'd help you out with what SHOULD be obvious. (but somehow isn't)

If lots of people here were offended by my post I would agree. It’s just you though.

Life will be hard for you if you expect people to cater to your neurotic desire to be offended.

 

[Pens1566]

RWNJ supporters of Kari Lake, the Republican nominee for Arizona governor, has called for LGBTQ+ people to be put into camps to stop the spread of monkeypox.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/winger-calls-lgbtq-people-put-143019934.html

“We need to quarantine and isolate all the folks of the LGBT community,” Ethan Schmidt-Crockett said in a video posted to social media. “We need to find all of them. We need to hunt them down and put them into isolation camps for their own protection.”

The party of "freedom" that opposed quarantine measures in 2020 suddenly realizes they’re great, when given an opportunity to abuse people they already hate!”

I mean, they're not even hiding it at this point.

 

[brycejones]

I have heard several interviews with people in the gay community who are quite OK with gay men being identified as a high risk group for this virus currently because that is is where the spread in the US is heavily concentrated and where resources being focused would have the greatest impact at this time in slowing and stopping transmission.

 

[Captante]

If lots of people here were offended by my post I would agree. It’s just you though.

Life will be hard for you if you expect people to cater to your neurotic desire to be offended.

Wow you really put me in my place.

Did you bother to read this before posting it?

 

[Captante]

gay men being identified as a high risk group for this virus currently

Phrased this way I have absolutely no issue.

Really though THIS type of defensive nonsense (this thread not your individual post) is why the majority of posters have bailed out around here.... if you say something thoughtless and dumb just admit it and its over. But that almost never happens in P&N.

MOST folks just get quietly offended and go away.... fortunately/unfortunately IDGAF and will speak my mind every time so deal with it.

 

[Greenman]

I think you've entirely missed my point.

I may have.
You're going on about how insensitive it is to state a simple fact. Why? Is this one of those things where we're supposed to use a wink and a nod instead of simple truth?