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Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I would like to own a tank. Should I be allowed to own a tank? Is regulation that prevents me from owning a tank acceptable?

You can own a tank.

I would like to own a nuclear weapon.

EDIT: To the NSA: I don't really.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: spidey07
What you guys aren't even getting at is she could have done this with a kitchen knife a few dozen other things. The gun or the range isn't the problem, nor is her renting a firearm.

The problem is that she had a history of mental illness, including involuntary hospitalization, but the range had no way of knowing this.

So? What you want her to show her "I'm allowed to buy a knife" card at bed bath and beyond? You know they actually let you take a large sharp kitchen knife to look at it - I could very easily with one single motion slash the throat of my kid or the employee and they'd be dead.

That's the point.
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
True but what price a young man's life? Maybe a few less gun ranges is a good thing anyway. Nothing wrong with a bit of shooting but lets not encourage a gun culture...
Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite hobby?

Computers and electronics, followed by carpentry probably, or martial arts.

I know what you're going to say - lets have less facilities for those things then. I'd say there's a bit of a difference there, becasue I do believe there is a 'gun culture' in parts of the states, which is part of the reason so many people get shot. I guess that shouldn't stop people who want to shoot at targets or deer for sport though... okay fine I take that back... have as many ranges as you want but regulate them properly.
"martial arts"!?!? OMG!!!!11 That shit is dangerous man! You can kill people with the Martial Arts!!

We should regulate it!!!

Please step up to the retina scanner, place your palms on the surface in front of you, and slowly state your full legal name for the record. The National Martial Arts Registry thanks you for your cooperation. Have a nice day!

Even when I openly admit you were right, a courtesy you would never extend to me I'd wager, you still can't respond like a grown man? That's very sad.

Am I to take from your reply that you don't think gun ranges should be regulated at all? So a five year old should be allowed to fire whateer weapons he wants unsupervised for example?

Why do I even bother... :(


 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I would like to own a tank. Should I be allowed to own a tank? Is regulation that prevents me from owning a tank acceptable?

You can own a tank.

I would like to own a nuclear weapon.

EDIT: To the NSA: I don't really.

Really? You're going down this road?
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: spidey07
What you guys aren't even getting at is she could have done this with a kitchen knife a few dozen other things. The gun or the range isn't the problem, nor is her renting a firearm.

The problem is that she had a history of mental illness, including involuntary hospitalization, but the range had no way of knowing this.

So? What you want her to show her "I'm allowed to buy a knife" card at bed bath and beyond? You know they actually let you take a large sharp kitchen knife to look at it - I could very easily with one single motion slash the throat of my kid or the employee and they'd be dead.

That's the point.

Fine. No regulation on guns. Doesn't help at all. Let's see how many Virginia Tech's we can have.
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I would like to own a tank. Should I be allowed to own a tank? Is regulation that prevents me from owning a tank acceptable?

You can own a tank.

I would like to own a nuclear weapon.

EDIT: To the NSA: I don't really.

Really? You're going down this road?

Why shouldn't I be able to own it?
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: spidey07
What you guys aren't even getting at is she could have done this with a kitchen knife a few dozen other things. The gun or the range isn't the problem, nor is her renting a firearm.

The problem is that she had a history of mental illness, including involuntary hospitalization, but the range had no way of knowing this.

So? What you want her to show her "I'm allowed to buy a knife" card at bed bath and beyond? You know they actually let you take a large sharp kitchen knife to look at it - I could very easily with one single motion slash the throat of my kid or the employee and they'd be dead.

That's the point.

You could? Maybe. An old woman could? Doubt it. She waited for the gun becasue she needed the gun.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
True but what price a young man's life? Maybe a few less gun ranges is a good thing anyway. Nothing wrong with a bit of shooting but lets not encourage a gun culture...
Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite hobby?

Computers and electronics, followed by carpentry probably, or martial arts.

I know what you're going to say - lets have less facilities for those things then. I'd say there's a bit of a difference there, becasue I do believe there is a 'gun culture' in parts of the states, which is part of the reason so many people get shot. I guess that shouldn't stop people who want to shoot at targets or deer for sport though... okay fine I take that back... have as many ranges as you want but regulate them properly.
"martial arts"!?!? OMG!!!!11 That shit is dangerous man! You can kill people with the Martial Arts!!

We should regulate it!!!

Please step up to the retina scanner, place your palms on the surface in front of you, and slowly state your full legal name for the record. The National Martial Arts Registry thanks you for your cooperation. Have a nice day!

Even when I openly admit you were right, a courtesy you would never extend to me I'd wager, you still can't respond like a grown man? That's very sad.

Am I to take from your reply that you don't think gun ranges should be regulated at all? So a five year old should be allowed to fire whateer weapons he wants unsupervised for example?

Why do I even bother... :(

There is nothing wrong with the current regulation at gun ranges. Apparently you think there is. Of course you wouldn't be so ignorant to come to this conclusion without being informed would you? Well I'm obviously not as informed as you are, so would you mind educating me and telling me what the current regulations are at gun ranges, what you thing should be improved, and more importantly, how many people are murdered at gun ranges every year?
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: JD50There is nothing wrong with the current regulation at gun ranges. Apparently you think there is. Of course you wouldn't be so ignorant to come to this conclusion without being informed would you? Well I'm obviously not as informed as you are, so would you mind educating me and telling me what the current regulations are at gun ranges, what you thing should be improved, and more importantly, how many people are murdered at gun ranges every year?

There is something wrong because a woman with a history of mental illness was able to rent a gun and shoot her son in the head with it.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50There is nothing wrong with the current regulation at gun ranges. Apparently you think there is. Of course you wouldn't be so ignorant to come to this conclusion without being informed would you? Well I'm obviously not as informed as you are, so would you mind educating me and telling me what the current regulations are at gun ranges, what you thing should be improved, and more importantly, how many people are murdered at gun ranges every year?

There is something wrong because a woman with a history of mental illness was able to rent a gun and shoot her son in the head with it.

How many times has that happened at a gun range?
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50There is nothing wrong with the current regulation at gun ranges. Apparently you think there is. Of course you wouldn't be so ignorant to come to this conclusion without being informed would you? Well I'm obviously not as informed as you are, so would you mind educating me and telling me what the current regulations are at gun ranges, what you thing should be improved, and more importantly, how many people are murdered at gun ranges every year?

There is something wrong because a woman with a history of mental illness was able to rent a gun and shoot her son in the head with it.

How many times has that happened at a gun range?

Doesn't matter. Nuclear weapons have been only used twice. Any reason to be worried about them being used again?
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
True but what price a young man's life? Maybe a few less gun ranges is a good thing anyway. Nothing wrong with a bit of shooting but lets not encourage a gun culture...
Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite hobby?

Computers and electronics, followed by carpentry probably, or martial arts.

I know what you're going to say - lets have less facilities for those things then. I'd say there's a bit of a difference there, becasue I do believe there is a 'gun culture' in parts of the states, which is part of the reason so many people get shot. I guess that shouldn't stop people who want to shoot at targets or deer for sport though... okay fine I take that back... have as many ranges as you want but regulate them properly.
"martial arts"!?!? OMG!!!!11 That shit is dangerous man! You can kill people with the Martial Arts!!

We should regulate it!!!

Please step up to the retina scanner, place your palms on the surface in front of you, and slowly state your full legal name for the record. The National Martial Arts Registry thanks you for your cooperation. Have a nice day!

Even when I openly admit you were right, a courtesy you would never extend to me I'd wager, you still can't respond like a grown man? That's very sad.

Am I to take from your reply that you don't think gun ranges should be regulated at all? So a five year old should be allowed to fire whateer weapons he wants unsupervised for example?

Why do I even bother... :(

There is nothing wrong with the current regulation at gun ranges. Apparently you think there is. Of course you wouldn't be so ignorant to come to this conclusion without being informed would you? Well I'm obviously not as informed as you are, so would you mind educating me and telling me what the current regulations are at gun ranges, what you thing should be improved, and more importantly, how many people are murdered at gun ranges every year?

I started talking about regulation because someone told me there was no rule which could have prevented this particular thing. There obviously are such rules so I listed some. You don't have to like them they still exist. I don't need to back that up with stats.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50There is nothing wrong with the current regulation at gun ranges. Apparently you think there is. Of course you wouldn't be so ignorant to come to this conclusion without being informed would you? Well I'm obviously not as informed as you are, so would you mind educating me and telling me what the current regulations are at gun ranges, what you thing should be improved, and more importantly, how many people are murdered at gun ranges every year?

There is something wrong because a woman with a history of mental illness was able to rent a gun and shoot her son in the head with it.

How many times has that happened at a gun range?

Doesn't matter. Nuclear weapons have been only used twice. Any reason to be worried about them being used again?

So are you admitting to being completely ignorant of the facts and arguing against something you know absolutely nothing about?
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
True but what price a young man's life? Maybe a few less gun ranges is a good thing anyway. Nothing wrong with a bit of shooting but lets not encourage a gun culture...
Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite hobby?

Computers and electronics, followed by carpentry probably, or martial arts.

I know what you're going to say - lets have less facilities for those things then. I'd say there's a bit of a difference there, becasue I do believe there is a 'gun culture' in parts of the states, which is part of the reason so many people get shot. I guess that shouldn't stop people who want to shoot at targets or deer for sport though... okay fine I take that back... have as many ranges as you want but regulate them properly.

Martial arts? Sounds like you want to hurt people.

Better ban it.
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50There is nothing wrong with the current regulation at gun ranges. Apparently you think there is. Of course you wouldn't be so ignorant to come to this conclusion without being informed would you? Well I'm obviously not as informed as you are, so would you mind educating me and telling me what the current regulations are at gun ranges, what you thing should be improved, and more importantly, how many people are murdered at gun ranges every year?

There is something wrong because a woman with a history of mental illness was able to rent a gun and shoot her son in the head with it.

How many times has that happened at a gun range?

Doesn't matter. Nuclear weapons have been only used twice. Any reason to be worried about them being used again?

So are you admitting to being completely ignorant of the facts and arguing against something you know absolutely nothing about?

You're deflecting. Just because you don't like the reality of the situation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

A mentally ill person should never, ever have a gun in their hand. Ever. Period. End of story. I know you want to win but how can you defend this?
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
True but what price a young man's life? Maybe a few less gun ranges is a good thing anyway. Nothing wrong with a bit of shooting but lets not encourage a gun culture...
Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite hobby?

Computers and electronics, followed by carpentry probably, or martial arts.

I know what you're going to say - lets have less facilities for those things then. I'd say there's a bit of a difference there, becasue I do believe there is a 'gun culture' in parts of the states, which is part of the reason so many people get shot. I guess that shouldn't stop people who want to shoot at targets or deer for sport though... okay fine I take that back... have as many ranges as you want but regulate them properly.

Martial arts? Sounds like you want to hurt people.

Better ban it.

Can you not read or something? Did I not just say the opposite of that? :confused:
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash

You're deflecting. Just because you don't like the reality of the situation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

A mentally ill person should never, ever have a gun in their hand. Ever. Period. End of story. I know you want to win but how can you defend this?

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

Also I don't agree that a mentally ill person should never have a gun in their hand, not one bit.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Atheus
True but what price a young man's life? Maybe a few less gun ranges is a good thing anyway. Nothing wrong with a bit of shooting but lets not encourage a gun culture...
Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite hobby?

Computers and electronics, followed by carpentry probably, or martial arts.

I know what you're going to say - lets have less facilities for those things then. I'd say there's a bit of a difference there, becasue I do believe there is a 'gun culture' in parts of the states, which is part of the reason so many people get shot. I guess that shouldn't stop people who want to shoot at targets or deer for sport though... okay fine I take that back... have as many ranges as you want but regulate them properly.
"martial arts"!?!? OMG!!!!11 That shit is dangerous man! You can kill people with the Martial Arts!!

We should regulate it!!!

Please step up to the retina scanner, place your palms on the surface in front of you, and slowly state your full legal name for the record. The National Martial Arts Registry thanks you for your cooperation. Have a nice day!

Even when I openly admit you were right, a courtesy you would never extend to me I'd wager, you still can't respond like a grown man? That's very sad.

Am I to take from your reply that you don't think gun ranges should be regulated at all? So a five year old should be allowed to fire whateer weapons he wants unsupervised for example?

Why do I even bother... :(

There is nothing wrong with the current regulation at gun ranges. Apparently you think there is. Of course you wouldn't be so ignorant to come to this conclusion without being informed would you? Well I'm obviously not as informed as you are, so would you mind educating me and telling me what the current regulations are at gun ranges, what you thing should be improved, and more importantly, how many people are murdered at gun ranges every year?

I started talking about regulation because someone told me there was no rule which could have prevented this particular thing. There obviously are such rules so I listed some. You don't have to like them they still exist. I don't need to back that up with stats.

The one common theme I've noticed with the anti-gun crowd is that they're completely ignorant of the facts and they don't care to be informed. These threads pop up at least once a week and we go over the same exact points every time. Yes, you (and the other anti-gun folks) really do need to back up your position with facts. If you're not interested in at least learning a little bit about the subject then why bother?
 
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Quick question by a non American. What is required in the majority of states to get a gun
A pulse.

Luckily they don't require a brain otherwise you couldn't get one.

This instance should prove that making it harder for people to get a gun won't solve anything. She used a range rental gun to commit the murder.
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Jack Flash

You're deflecting. Just because you don't like the reality of the situation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

A mentally ill person should never, ever have a gun in their hand. Ever. Period. End of story. I know you want to win but how can you defend this?

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

Also I don't agree that a mentally ill person should never have a gun in their hand, not one bit.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,1648,00.html

Talk to their families about why it's okay for the mentally ill to use guns.
 

Jack Flash

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Originally posted by: JD50The one common theme I've noticed with the anti-gun crowd is that they're completely ignorant of the facts and they don't care to be informed. These threads pop up at least once a week and we go over the same exact points every time. Yes, you (and the other anti-gun folks) really do need to back up your position with facts. If you're not interested in at least learning a little bit about the subject then why bother?

You want to argue that since it only happens a few times it's okay.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: JD50There is nothing wrong with the current regulation at gun ranges. Apparently you think there is. Of course you wouldn't be so ignorant to come to this conclusion without being informed would you? Well I'm obviously not as informed as you are, so would you mind educating me and telling me what the current regulations are at gun ranges, what you thing should be improved, and more importantly, how many people are murdered at gun ranges every year?

There is something wrong because a woman with a history of mental illness was able to rent a gun and shoot her son in the head with it.

How many times has that happened at a gun range?

Doesn't matter. Nuclear weapons have been only used twice. Any reason to be worried about them being used again?

So are you admitting to being completely ignorant of the facts and arguing against something you know absolutely nothing about?

You're deflecting. Just because you don't like the reality of the situation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

A mentally ill person should never, ever have a gun in their hand. Ever. Period. End of story. I know you want to win but how can you defend this?

You keep bring up nuclear weapons in a thread about some crazy woman killing her kid and you accuse me of deflecting? I ask you for specific facts that have direct relevance to this case and you once again counter with some dribble about nuclear weapons and you accuse me of deflecting. Are you kidding me?

I'd love for you to point out where I said that a mentally ill person should have a gun in their hand.
 

Taejin

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Another day, another gun crime in America.

One of the consequences of living in a free society. I know you would prefer that we shred the Constitution and live under international law.. but these guns are the exact reason why that will never happen. Thanks for hating America asshole.

YEAH YOU AMERICA HATER!!!
 
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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Quick question by a non American. What is required in the majority of states to get a gun
A pulse.

Since jpeyton is a fucktard, I'll actually give you some useful information..

Laws vary by state, but usually there is a 72 hour waiting period for an ATF background check. Any felonies, domestic violence, or dishonorable discharges (among other things) will get you denied. Rules for hunting rifles are sometimes different.

Here is a good link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...ited_States_(by_state)


If you're going to post "facts" you may want to check those.
There is no waiting period in the federal law. There may be waiting periods in state laws. There is however a clause that says if the instant background check can't clear you on the spot, they have 72hours to complete it and deny you. If they do not deny you in the 72hrs that is the same as being granted.
In some states you do not even have to submit to the background check if you have a state issue license.