Mom kills sons, self at gun range

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Atheus
You could? Maybe. An old woman could? Doubt it. She waited for the gun becasue she needed the gun.

Oh yeah?

I repeat:

Ban Microwave Ovens!!

Ban Bathtubs!!

Ban Clothes Dryers!!

Ban Leather Belts AND Bathtubs!! (Bathtubs may require a national registry of some sort... they're just way too dangerous!)

Ban Kitchen Knives!!

Ban Matches and Rags!!

:roll:

 

[Jack Flash]

Regulation != Ban

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Atheus
You could? Maybe. An old woman could? Doubt it. She waited for the gun becasue she needed the gun.

Oh yeah?

I repeat:

Ban Microwave Ovens!!

Ban Bathtubs!!

Ban Clothes Dryers!!

Ban Leather Belts AND Bathtubs!! (Bathtubs may require a national registry of some sort... they're just way too dangerous!)

Ban Kitchen Knives!!

Ban Matches and Rags!!

:roll:

When armies of the world start fighting wars with dryers and bath tubs let me know.

A microwave when used as intended heats food.

A belt when used as intended holds up your pants.

A gun when used as intended kills its target.

You know your argument is fallacious and that well implemented regulation can make gun owners better off.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Atheus
You could? Maybe. An old woman could? Doubt it. She waited for the gun becasue she needed the gun.

Oh yeah?

I repeat:

Ban Microwave Ovens!!

Ban Bathtubs!!

Ban Clothes Dryers!!

Ban Leather Belts AND Bathtubs!! (Bathtubs may require a national registry of some sort... they're just way too dangerous!)

Ban Kitchen Knives!!

Ban Matches and Rags!!

:roll:

It's kind of hard to mow down a classroom full of students with any of those things, don't you think?

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
YOU were the one that said we needed MORE regulation because it could possibly save lives. I'm asking how far you are willing to take that. There are many more things which cost the lives of MANY more people than guns do that are not regulated. Yet, you choose to argue for gun regulation. That strikes me as something someone would do who clearly has an anti-gun agenda and not an agenda of just 'saving people' as you claim.

My 'agenda' in this thread is making sure gun rights are preserved while simultaneously preventing gun related tragedies such as this from occurring.

I am far from anti-gun.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Atheus
You could? Maybe. An old woman could? Doubt it. She waited for the gun becasue she needed the gun.

Oh yeah?

I repeat:

Ban Microwave Ovens!!

Ban Bathtubs!!

Ban Clothes Dryers!!

Ban Leather Belts AND Bathtubs!! (Bathtubs may require a national registry of some sort... they're just way too dangerous!)

Ban Kitchen Knives!!

Ban Matches and Rags!!

:roll:

When armies of the world start fighting wars with dryers and bath tubs let me know.

A microwave when used as intended heats food.

A belt when used as intended holds up your pants.

A gun when used as intended kills its target.

You know your argument is fallacious and that well implemented regulation can make gun owners better off.

You missed the f'n point. In each and every one of those examples, the mentally ill mother managed to murder their child without a gun. I was posting it in response to Atheus' claim that the mother needed a gun, specifically, to accomplish the murder.

When, in reality, premeditated murder is not very difficult to accomplish with whatever you may have lying around your house.

Try to keep up...

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It's kind of hard to mow down a classroom full of students with any of those things, don't you think?

But, it's obviously not difficult to kill one other person with each of those things -- which is the topic of this thread, is it not?

More licenses, more laws, more regulations, more national databases, more tax-payer dollars, MORE GOVERNMENT, OH MY!!

:roll:

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: palehorse
More licenses, more laws, more regulations, more national databases, more tax-payer dollars, MORE GOVERNMENT, OH MY!!

:roll:

Hey if you want to try to discredit any attempts to make carrying a gun more publicly acceptable be my guest but don't cry to me when people blame guns for their problems.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: palehorse
More licenses, more laws, more regulations, more national databases, more tax-payer dollars, MORE GOVERNMENT, OH MY!!

:roll:

Hey if you want to try to discredit any attempts to make carrying a gun more publicly acceptable be my guest but don't cry to me when people blame guns for their problems.

Only fools would "blame guns for their problems."

I don't cater my beliefs or my actions to the delusions of fools.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: palehorse
More licenses, more laws, more regulations, more national databases, more tax-payer dollars, MORE GOVERNMENT, OH MY!!

:roll:

Hey if you want to try to discredit any attempts to make carrying a gun more publicly acceptable be my guest but don't cry to me when people blame guns for their problems.

Only fools would "blame guns for their problems."

I don't cater my beliefs or my actions to the delusions of fools.

Only a fool would believe that regulation of firearms is unnecessary.

There are plenty of innocent victims of the mentally ill using firearms. I've presented my case and clearly you're unwilling to listen to any opinion other than 'Laissez-faire 2nd Amendment'

I'll say it one more time: a mandatory federal gun permit to be renewed every 5 years with significant background checks and psychological evaluation is a good idea to safeguard both constitutional rights to bear arms as well as protect against those who are unfit to wield a deadly weapon.

I'm glad they're are posters like daishi5, though. Rational posters.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: OCguy
What I posted in the OT thread on this same story:

Originally posted by: OCguy
Gee, so now every shooting someone is going to post.


Its like 5 or so years ago when the "Amber Alert" was the big thing on the news. It seemed like someone was getting kidnapped everyday. In reality, it was nothing new.

every one have a different guideline, mine is that if it makes me go "wow", i'll post it, regardless of weapon of choice... if it was a microwave bomb.... hell yea.. microwave baby? naw it's been done.

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back to the thread, it's sad to see this happen and from reading his gf's comments on his myspace, it looks like the mother planned this and is very unstable (she wanted to kill his gf and someone else as well).

if by law, she isn't allowed to own a gun, she shouldn't be allowed to shoot one, but i guess it is up to the private shooting range to set their own regulation.


omg, on www.mydeathspace.com there's a still photo of the mother aiming the gun at the kid's head before she pulls the trigger from the surveillance video. that just makes me sick.

also, this thread here have the suicide tape transcript, you can see that she definately deranged.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Since you asked me to get some data, I did. Simple google search and first page of results, ignoring duplicates.

http://www.gunguys.com/?p=1439
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/shot083.shtml
http://www.tallahassee.com/leg...ege-ends-in-death.html
http://www.mydeathspace.com/ar..._himself_at_a_gun_club
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/st...=news/local&id=5874542
http://www1.phillyburbs.com/pb...-07132007-1377176.html

Got half way through the page and decided that would be enough for now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...n_Gate_Bridge#Suicides

The Golden Gate Bridge is the most popular place to commit suicide in the United States and is one of the most popular in the world.

Guess we better tear it down.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Heh, seems to me the issue here isn't the availability of guns, gun laws, gun culture, etc., but more of an issue about the state of mental health services in this country. Even those who can afford healthcare have mental health treated as more of a luxury than a necessity.

Mitchell's father, Charles Moore, told police that Marie Moore had a history of mental illness and had previously attempted suicide and been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital in 2002 under the state's Baker Act. [\Q]

This was a tragedy, but I don't see any way this could've been stopped unless her mental health was treated with a more proactive, continual approach.

Edit: I suck at quoting.

:thumbsup: for rationality.

 

[Titan]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
Quick question by a non American. What is required in the majority of states to get a gun

A pulse.

In VT, yes. You can buy a gun at a yard sale. No paperwork. And it's legal. Also OPen carry is legal here.

One of my favorite responses from howard dean being criticized when he ran for prez was that he said, have you looked at VT, we have no gun crime!

 

[Robor]

I don't think guns are the point here. If the woman was mentally ill and hell bent on doing a murder/suicide she could have chosen other routes, she just took the easiest of them with the gun. Unfortunately there's not a lot that can be done with someone in that mind. Sad story.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Robor
I don't think guns are the point here. If the woman was mentally ill and hell bent on doing a murder/suicide she could have chosen other routes, she just took the easiest of them with the gun. Unfortunately there's not a lot that can be done with someone in that mind. Sad story.

this.

 

[Dragula22]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Robor
I don't think guns are the point here. If the woman was mentally ill and hell bent on doing a murder/suicide she could have chosen other routes, she just took the easiest of them with the gun. Unfortunately there's not a lot that can be done with someone in that mind. Sad story.

this.

Agreed.

Pouring millions/billions of tax payre dollars to somehow iradicate premediated murders is a fucken pipe dream.

A gun control discussion, while amusing and worth debating, shouldn't have stemmed from this incident.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She didn't even own the gun, it belonged to the shooting range.

Perhaps we should outlaw shooting ranges??

Or simply implement better safety rules and features at that particular range. Of course, gun safety in unamerican :laugh:

How about we don't make any new rules and just say that the women was fvcking crazy and nobody had any way to know it. It's tragic that her son died, but making more restrictions and more laws is not the answer.

Communism doesn't work without more restrictions and more laws.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Atheus
You could? Maybe. An old woman could? Doubt it. She waited for the gun becasue she needed the gun.

Oh yeah?

I repeat:

Ban Microwave Ovens!!

Ban Bathtubs!!

Ban Clothes Dryers!!

Ban Leather Belts AND Bathtubs!! (Bathtubs may require a national registry of some sort... they're just way too dangerous!)

Ban Kitchen Knives!!

Ban Matches and Rags!!

:roll:

It's kind of hard to mow down a classroom full of students with any of those things, don't you think?

This guy did it with just a car... He even did it without even trying. Just to think how many he could of killed if he was.

Here's another exmple. He to killed a boat load of people and injured many.

 

[SAWYER]

I just realized I didn't make commentary in my op but it was allowed to stay open, is it because it's fuel for the anti-gun crowd's fire? If this was an anti-Obama topic with no commentary I think it would have been locked ASAP.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Atheus
You could? Maybe. An old woman could? Doubt it. She waited for the gun becasue she needed the gun.

Oh yeah?

I repeat:

Ban Microwave Ovens!!

Ban Bathtubs!!

Ban Clothes Dryers!!

Ban Leather Belts AND Bathtubs!! (Bathtubs may require a national registry of some sort... they're just way too dangerous!)

Ban Kitchen Knives!!

Ban Matches and Rags!!

:roll:

It's kind of hard to mow down a classroom full of students with any of those things, don't you think?

This guy did it with just a car... He even did it without even trying. Just to think how many he could of killed if he was.

Here's another exmple. He to killed a boat load of people and injured many.

Exactly. As you've shown, one doesn't need a gun to or even a 'weapon' to do something psychotic like this. It's just that sane and rational people don't do it because they know right from wrong.

 

[geno]

Man, the son never even saw it coming...scary.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

30k gun related deaths per year. Over half are suicide.

Figure 15,000 others are homicides or accidents

15,000/250,000,000 (current estimate of privately pwned guns in U.S) = .006%

I can live with 6 one thousandths of a percent.

EDIT:

more people die from flue each year @ 20,000 people

41,611 car related fatalities per year

around 250,000,000 registered cars in the US

41,611 / 250,000,000 = .016%

Cars are deadlier than guns in America.

 

[Jack Flash]

There have only been two nuclear weapons used in all of history 2/3,650,000 days... That's 0.00004579%! I say we stop spending money on the military because I can live with those odds.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
There have only been two nuclear weapons used in all of history 2/3,650,000 days... That's 0.00004579%! I say we stop spending money on the military because I can live with those odds.

huh?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
There have only been two nuclear weapons used in all of history 2/3,650,000 days... That's 0.00004579%! I say we stop spending money on the military because I can live with those odds.

huh?

Ignore these anti-gun dweebs, they dismiss the slippery slope as a fallacy and turn around and use fallacies of their own.