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[JSt0rm]

I unfortunately don't have time to post 48.05 times per day (lol) so I will have to step away from your unemployed self now.

ta ta

 

[spittledip]

I personally think the rules of the forum should apply. There's no reason to call people teabaggers/libtared. No reason for lashing out at people as stupid fucks ect. No reason to allow trolling. No reason to to be calling religious unscientific dipshits. There's no reason at all for alot of this stuff. I think the forum needs to be held to a more adult like stature than it currently is. It's a black eye for P&N to be known as the sespool of AT.

What I find especially foolish is the fact that almost everything discussed in this forum is theoretical and unproven, because it deals with the most unstable element, the human element. So how can someone landblast another saying they're wrong when there's zero ability to prove it? There's no black and white fix to the economy, there's no one right way of necessary moral values, there's no proof to the origin of the universe, no right way to prevent socialism but allow those that are less fortunate (such as those that are born disabled) to live a normal life without being in debt in the hundreds of thousands or millions. We can't even figure out how to fix our crumbling road and bridge structure properly.

P&N needs to be about discussion, not trolling, flaming, and personal attacks.

Nice post. Agreed. Well, agreed as much as is humanly possible. The mods have a hard job and should not be expected to nail every little infraction.

 

[JSt0rm]

Nice post. Agreed. Well, agreed as much as is humanly possible. The mods have a hard job and should not be expected to nail every little infraction.

Disagree. Nobody who thinks the world is 10,000 years old should be taken seriously and be allowed to have "equal time". No.

 

[heymrdj]

Disagree. Nobody who thinks the world is 10,000 years old should be taken seriously and be allowed to have "equal time". No.

That's just a testament to character I guess.

So why did people let the guy live that said the world was round? It was scientifically proven as much as was possible then that it was flat. Should have just swept the guy away that said it was round, he was spewing non-scientific theoretical garbage.

 

[cybrsage]

I unfortunately don't have time to post 48.05 times per day (lol) so I will have to step away from your unemployed self now.

ta ta

Do you have anything other than logical fallacies as your support?

Besides, what else IS there to do during conference calls? Anyone who has to sit through a few hours of them a day would understand.

 

[JSt0rm]

Do you have anything other than logical fallacies as your support?

Besides, what else IS there to do during conference calls? Anyone who has to sit through a few hours of them a day would understand.

Youre on conference calls on sunday? My bullshit meter is going thru the roof.

 

[JSt0rm]

That's just a testament to character I guess.

So why did people let the guy live that said the world was round? It was scientifically proven as much as was possible then that it was flat. Should have just swept the guy away that said it was round, he was spewing non-scientific theoretical garbage.

Are you saying that the world is possibly 10000 years old and the scientific community is sweeping these people away?

lulululuululululuul lol.

 

[cybrsage]

Youre on conference calls on sunday? My bullshit meter is going thru the roof.

Did you know that only 1 out of 7 days are Sunday? Seriuosly, it is true, look it up.

Today, one of my customer's networks went down. Turns out it was a hung adva etherjack, but it took a bit to get to it, have it checked, etc., because the union members who are on call can refuse to go and work on the weekend...it took 3 hours just to find an all call union member who was willing to earn overtime and do some work on a Sunday.

As your your meter, I suspect it was pegging on your own posts. You need to add the JSt0rm filter to it, so it stops pegging when you post.

 

[cybrsage]

Are you saying that the world is possibly 10000 years old and the scientific community is sweeping these people away?

lulululuululululuul lol.

The scientific community said Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation was right. We now know it is fundamentally flawed and cannot be fixed. Einstein's Theory is a far better model (though we are now even learning it is probably also wrong).

People should be heard, they do not have to be agreed with, but silencing opposing views is not a good thing.

 

[heymrdj]

Are you saying that the world is possibly 10000 years old and the scientific community is sweeping these people away?

lulululuululululuul lol.

I don't think I said anything like that..

Mods this is a good example of what is (only IMHO) a useless post in P&N just looking troll and flame.

The bolded part was ok, if he had stopped there. The italicized part, however, is just a pot stir.

 

[JSt0rm]

I don't think I said anything like that..

Mods this is a good example of what is (only IMHO) a useless post in P&N just looking troll and flame.

The bolded part was ok, if he had stopped there. The italicized part, however, is just a pot stir.

I was confused by your post then. It seemed to me you thought that all views should have equal time and I say that is incorrect.

 

[JSt0rm]

The scientific community said Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation was right. We now know it is fundamentally flawed and cannot be fixed. Einstein's Theory is a far better model (though we are now even learning it is probably also wrong).

People should be heard, they do not have to be agreed with, but silencing opposing views is not a good thing.

But a religious belief should not be discussed in a scientific setting. Those that try to inject religion into science should be scolded and made fun of.

 

[JSt0rm]

The whole point was heymrdj said that people with religious beliefs should be allowed to state those beliefs. Well this isnt politics and religion. Its politics and news. I welcome science news on these forums but religion isnt news and giving a couple people the ability to inject it into the conversation is messy. Its messy trying to moderate it as well thats why I say leave it alone.

 

[cybrsage]

But a religious belief should not be discussed in a scientific setting. Those that try to inject religion into science should be scolded and made fun of.

No, they should have the reasoning behind why they are wrong explained to them. The same way it is done to those who believe science can find all the answers.

 

[JSt0rm]

No, they should have the reasoning behind why they are wrong explained to them. The same way it is done to those who believe science can find all the answers.

90% of the time some brave soul actually tries to explain it but the problem is they BELIEVE something to be true so its true no matter what.

 

[CanOWorms]

I believe that #3 would have a negative impact on non-primary viewpoints on this forum. It has too much subjectivity and I fear that it will have a negative impact on minority voices. You might as well just call this the "Republican vs. Democrat and Israel vs. Palestine forum for white male middle-class IT workers" instead of Politics & News.

 

[JEDIYoda]

But a religious belief should not be discussed in a scientific setting. Those that try to inject religion into science should be scolded and made fun of.

So that would eliminate the politics in these forums too...
you cant have it both ways....
Just because you honestly believe that when discussing science there is no place for religion, that just is not true!
There are many well respected religious scientists that would disagree with you.....this time your not going to get it your way!

People who believe that when discussing science there is no place for religion should be laughed at.

 

[Whiskey16]

Because right now it seems like you're just trying to silence people with conservative viewpoints...

No.

What is your opinion on dmcowen's behavior in this thread?

There comes a point beyond subjectivity where a poster enters the realm of trolling and becomes unnecessarily argumentative. When the same argument and lines of argument get repeated well after that said argument is evidently lost, it is best to back off and let it pass. That ought to be commonly expected discussion decorum.

Unfortunately, a tiny minority of members irrationally will not let an argument (be it personal or topical based) slide, and push the limit with excessive posts that typically contribute nothing of new substance, except to end up dominating and thereby derailing the thread. Even within these past two rule discussion threads, two characters are glaring portraits warranting discipline.

The majority of this forum's problems can be resolved by consistently enforcing rather basic rules that will remove the obvious few that disproportionately disrupt the most. Then a fresher start could build up its civility, maturity, and potential attractiveness.

There will forever be disruptive outliers, but that can be checked with moderator warnings and a society of members that expect better behaviour.

The previous example I posted was the continuation of an individual's expected and infamous track record that typically slides into trolling consisting of immature name-calling, argumentative semantics, misquoting, quoting out of context, blatant dishonesty, etc. Taken as a whole, none of those criticisms ought to retain any questions of partisan subjectivity against the individual. The examples that we are probably all aware of, go too far and contribute nothing of substance to the forum. It is in effect, a wilful effort to degrade the forum and its society.

Such obviously excessive ill-behaviour should not be tolerated. Continuing to give it a pass only instructs impunity and thereby encourages further disruption.

My concern is not of political partisanship. Infohawk, if that is how you wish to frame my position, then you are out of line.

 

[JSt0rm]

So that would eliminate the politics in these forums too...
you cant have it both ways....
Just because you honestly believe that when discussing science there is no place for religion, that just is not true!
There are many well respected religious scientists that would disagree with you.....this time your not going to get it your way!

People who believe that when discussing science there is no place for religion should be laughed at.

That's fine. Let me say I think those people can say what they will they just shouldn't cry when they are made fun of. No moderation will be able to tackle that.

A scientist can be religious of course. So what? When they are at work working on science do you think they are injecting god into their work? No. they aren't just like you aren't injecting god in your work.

 

[JSt0rm]

The majority of this forum's problems can be resolved by consistently enforcing rather basic rules that will remove the obvious few that disproportionately disrupt the most. Then a fresher start could build up its civility, maturity, and potential attractiveness.

I dont think there is the manpower to do what you are asking. This isnt somebody lying about the mhz on some ram or ghz on a cpu. Those things are pretty much black and white. We are talking about peoples preconceived notions about how the world functions. You cant moderate that.

You can get binary to the point that profanity isnt allowed or it is but when you begin to moderate what viewpoints are tolerable or what level of attack on a person and their views is tolerable there is no more black and white.

 

[Whiskey16]

There ought to be no call for fact-checking moderation:

This isnt somebody lying about the mhz on some ram or ghz on a cpu. Those things are pretty much black and white.

I am not concerned about that. No one is infallible, nor are there to be certain views on most topics. We are here to read and discuss.

How pleasant may that be? Or is this a cesspool to be tolerated and expected?

Please re-read my previous post and of my list at the top of this thread.

 

[JSt0rm]

There ought to be no call for fact-checking moderation:I am not concerned about that. No one is infallible, nor are there to be certain views on most topics. We are here to read and discuss.

How pleasant may that be? Or is this a cesspool to be tolerated and expected?

Please re-read my previous post and of my list at the top of this thread.

Again what you desire is fine but with the million shades of grey we have between point a and point b you will find massive headaches in policing that place.

If you want to say hey no more profanity and you cant call people stupid. ok fine we do that but people will still be insulted by something else. Believe me when I say I am a creative fellow and I will find a way to insult those who I deem worthy ()

The cesspool exists because people are free to say what they really feel without actually putting their neck on the line. We get racists and bigots. We get hyper nationals and fascists. We get pro something and anti something else. Its all here mixing in a big bowl of shit. To say that we will have good honest debate in that environment is not going to happen.

You either say "yes lets have a forum about politics and all the internet trash fucks that attracts" or you say no politics at all.

There is no middle ground, unfortunately.

 

[JSt0rm]

oh and i just read all of your points in the list and those are great but unfortunately if the forums open this can of worms (politics) there will be conversation found offensive by all.

I cant stand some of the people who post here. I think they are backwards and dense and I coudnt imagine seeing them in real life but to silence only some people wouldnt work.

What they should do if they REALLY want to improve this place is to hide the politics section from search engines and make it only viewable if you are a member.

We probably attract hundreds of idiots from google searching things and finding our politics forum.

 

[Whiskey16]

No society can sustain under anarchy. No business would desire to be presented by what that brings.

You either say "yes lets have a forum about politics and all the internet trash fucks that attracts" or you say no politics at all.

There is no middle ground, unfortunately.

You are gravely mistaken, and thankfully, in the minority.

What they should do if they REALLY want to improve this place is to hide the politics section from search engines and make it only viewable if you are a member.

That is done by Rage3D, but in combination with far stricter moderation than here -- as cybrsage is all too well aware, .

 

[JEDIYoda]

hat's fine. Let me say I think those people can say what they will they just shouldn't cry when they are made fun of. No moderation will be able to tackle that. -- two way street....

A scientist can be religious of course. So what? When they are at work working on science do you think they are injecting god into their work? No. they aren't just like you aren't injecting god in your work.-- how do you know??? You don`s...please don`t assume!

Again you are wrong --

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.html
http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html