[MMO] World of Tanks

[LurkerPrime]

I was switching between the lorraine, panther 2 and the T34. So I had a nice transition from zippy, somewhat zippy, to lumbering beast. Its just those moments when you're playing your lumbering beasts and your base starts to get capped, and you know you'll never make it back in time.

I do agree the french lights/mediums are more assassins than scouts. Although the AMXs with full camo and a camo net do pretty well as passive scouts. Full camo also allows you to stay on the hill for the defending assault maps and snipe without getting spotted. Although not the best snipers, its still more effective than alot of other tactics on those maps.

At least from reading the test 2 notes, the test isn't going to end till August 1st. That at least gives me another weekend to finish unlocking and purchasing the batchat. I do expect that they might end up doing a 3rd public test though, which would give me even more time.

 

[PowerYoga]

The T34 isn't that slow, I'm not sure what everyone is complaining about. It seems about as fast and nimble as the T32, and seems infinitely more nimble than their russian counterparts. (KV, KV3, etc)

 

[LurkerPrime]

The T34 isn't that slow, I'm not sure what everyone is complaining about. It seems about as fast and nimble as the T32, and seems infinitely more nimble than their russian counterparts. (KV, KV3, etc)

The T34 is the slowest tank I really use at the moment. I elited the KV series a while back and haven't looked back since. It does have the all around slowness award: slow acceleration/top speed, slow turning, slow aiming, slow reload. Although even with all that, the gun packs a decent punch and the penetration is more than enough to pen tier 10s if you know what your doing. Its always nice to be in a tier 8 capable of hurting tier 10s in a head on confrontation. I have BiA, clutch braking, vents, EGD, and Vstab on this tank and it still seems to turn slowly and aim slowly, I can't imagine driving it without all this (my god a 75% crew would be painful).

 

[Binky]

I love my T34, but it is the only tank that I consistently run 100 octane. Thankfully, it doesn't catch fire often because I replaced the fire extinguisher with the 100 octane.

 

[PowerYoga]

That's strange. Granted I don't have a T-34 myself so I can't do a side by side comparison, but I've fought enough of them and they all seem fairly nimble to me. How does it compare to a lowe? I can't imagine anything more sluggish than a lowe... cept those bathtub frenchies at tier 4-5 or a stock KV-3 from last patch.

 

[Ns1]

Pleasantly surprised by the Renault UE 57

Thought it would have an autoloader, french tank and all, but it's basically just a tiny sniper. I bet this tank will pwn when it has a 100% crew.

 

[Maximilian]

At 3:25 the wargaming CEO says they're adding polish tanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adrJx864olE&feature=player_embedded

Here are some concepts:
Polish medium tank

Polish heavy tank

Polish tank destroyer

Polish supply carrier

Polish super heavy concept (tier 10?)

 

[LurkerPrime]

That's strange. Granted I don't have a T-34 myself so I can't do a side by side comparison, but I've fought enough of them and they all seem fairly nimble to me. How does it compare to a lowe? I can't imagine anything more sluggish than a lowe... cept those bathtub frenchies at tier 4-5 or a stock KV-3 from last patch.

It is only slightly faster than a Lowe. It will win a race, but not by much. I dont own a lowe, but my brother that I play with does, and he doesn't have much of an issue keeping up with me. I think the Lowe has a much better aim time and accuracy than the T34 though and only slightly less speed, track/turret turning speed.

I do have to say a lowe is easier to circle of death than a T34, however that may be b/c more lowe players dont turn thier tracks and turret, while most T34 players do (since most earned the T34 and didn't buy it).

 

[PowerYoga]

Going uphill or downhill? On flat ground (fjords) I can keep up with a T-34 with my T-32, but the speed is roughly even. Granted standstill mobility might be more of an issue but I think T-34 plays fundamentally different from the lowe in the sense that if you're not hulling down, you're doing something wrong.

I also heard they nerfed the turret but it's still impenetrable to tier 8 and many tier 9 guns, and I wouldn't bother shooting it with the BL-10 either because of the random curves. True/false? (ignore the bulging copula in the back of course)

 

[LurkerPrime]

Going uphill or downhill? On flat ground (fjords) I can keep up with a T-34 with my T-32, but the speed is roughly even. Granted standstill mobility might be more of an issue but I think T-34 plays fundamentally different from the lowe in the sense that if you're not hulling down, you're doing something wrong.

I also heard they nerfed the turret but it's still impenetrable to tier 8 and many tier 9 guns, and I wouldn't bother shooting it with the BL-10 either because of the random curves. True/false? (ignore the bulging copula in the back of course)

I dont think they nerfed the turret armor that I"m aware of. When hulled down all the shots that I notice pen me, actually hit my cupola and not my turret. The side/rear of the turret can be penned though by tier 8+, but still isn't a "sure thing" when in most of those cases the hull is visible to shoot. When I get home, I'll look to see if the armor was reduced, but last I checked it was 279 frontal turret armor, which you would have to hit perfectly to pen, even with a gold round in most tanks.

And by the way power, I dont mean to argue with you about the T34. I'm sure there are tanks slower than it (surely those low tier frenchies take the cake). However, out of the tanks I regularly play though, its one of the slowest all around (turning tracks/turrets, acceleration, aim time), it does load faster than an E-75 and the french autoloaders though.

edit: I also believe you should be hulling down in a lowe, or at the very least hiding the lower glacias. While the turret isn't impenetrable like the T34s, its still well armored and can bounced its fair share of shots. It sure as hell beats getting set on fire all the time.

 

[PowerYoga]

Nah I'm just trying to understand how "sluggish" it is, because a lot of the community complains about it. Coming from the KV series with their slug-like agility and german lines with their low top speed, it seems like the americans have a nice blend of both agility and top speed.

 

[LurkerPrime]

You should be able to go into the store and look at the stats of the T34 to compare to other tanks. If you already have a Lowe, I wouldn't recommend buying it though. The only thing it truly excels at is making boatloads of money. I probably average 75k on a decent match, and well over 100k on a good game. Since the gun is capable of penning any tank, a few shots in a tier 10 = $$$.

If you want to do some real world comparisons, hit me up I'll bring it into a training room with any tank you want to compare it to.

 

[Binky]

I feel like the T34 gets penned in the turret a lot more than the T29/T32 ever did. It's just not as tough, relative to the enemies you're fighting.

One thing to remember about the T34 when you're fighting it - the average T34 driver is generally better than the average Lowe driver. I'm sure that may change as the T34 is available in the store for a longer period of time (and inexperienced drivers continue to buy them).

 

[Craig234]

So, what should we do to prepare for 7.5? I heard having a 12t offers something, but only if it's elite - and that what you get isn't worth bothering to go to much trouble.

Are there other tanks to get benefits from by having them before the patch? I think I heard the Lorraine or bat.chat (not close enough to get those, though).

 

[Skott]

Maximillian,
Dude, thanks for that post. I really needed the laugh just now. Fred... LMAO


Craig,
What should we do to prepare for 7.5? I don't know about others but I'm going over to MWO. I been into WoT since early beta and I'm quite pissed off with the WoT devs and the direction they are taking. Not to mention the things they refuse to fix. 7.4 was the patch that broke this camel's back. I won't put another penny into WoT. /rant off

Sorry, Craig. The rant isn't directed at you. Just out in public in general.

 

[Craig234]

Craig,
What should we do to prepare for 7.5? I don't know about others but I'm going over to MWO. I been into WoT since early beta and I'm quite pissed off with the WoT devs and the direction they are taking. Not to mention the things they refuse to fix. 7.4 was the patch that broke this camel's back. I won't put another penny into WoT. /rant off

Sorry, Craig. The rant isn't directed at you. Just out in public in general.

No problem. I'm actually avoiding spending more as well over the customer service issues I'm displeased with.

Things they don't fix are one thing - but they removed features in 7.4. For example, I used to be able to find which tanks had equipment like binocs and the camo net by looking in the depot where it would list each tank that had them; now I have to manually click tanks out of a total 40 tanks looking for them every time.

I don't mind the larger direction of the game too much; part of it is expected, as an MMO they have to always keep players wanting new things.

 

[eLiu]

What I'm really unhappy with is the current trend of introducing a new, OP tank (or tanks)... then nerfing it/them a patch or two later.

It makes a lot of sense from the business perspective--your good, money-spending players will recognize the new tanks as good/OP and pay to speed up their grinds. Then after you capture the initial market of people willing to do this (which if it follows the trend of 'early adopters', is the bulk of the audience willing to do this at all), you nerf the OP tanks in the name of balance.

The last several tank releases have followed this trend. The upcoming tierX meds/TDs appear to be no different. I find this trend to be a disturbing one.

 

[Shmee]

I had this on my clipboard:
Victory!
Battle: Widepark Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:32:59 AM
Vehicle: PzKpfw VI Tiger (P)
Experience received: 3,966 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 56,287
Battle Achievements: Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"

 

[Craig234]

What I'm really unhappy with is the current trend of introducing a new, OP tank (or tanks)... then nerfing it/them a patch or two later.

It makes a lot of sense from the business perspective--your good, money-spending players will recognize the new tanks as good/OP and pay to speed up their grinds. Then after you capture the initial market of people willing to do this (which if it follows the trend of 'early adopters', is the bulk of the audience willing to do this at all), you nerf the OP tanks in the name of balance.

The last several tank releases have followed this trend. The upcoming tierX meds/TDs appear to be no different. I find this trend to be a disturbing one.

I haven't followed the facts enough to comment on it happening, but I agree with the point as an issue when it happens.

There's the 'chasing the carrot' practice of keeping something 'overpowered' for a bit, and then making it a different thing.

Of course, not that many games keep a lot of players with the same gameplay for months and months. (Same char, class, level, etc.)

And in WoT there are no random 'drops', an MMO design coming straight out of psychology (MMO's have actually hired psychologists to create addictive design, I hear).

I don't want to give them any ideas, but imagine if they had promotions where certain tanks had a chance to 'drop gold' or camos or other rewards on a kill.

You'd see that compulsiveness increase.

 

[Craig234]

I had this on my clipboard:
Victory!
Battle: Widepark Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:32:59 AM
Vehicle: PzKpfw VI Tiger (P)
Experience received: 3,966 (x2 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 56,287
Battle Achievements: Mastery Badge: "Ace Tanker"

Congrats!

 

[Maximilian]

What I'm really unhappy with is the current trend of introducing a new, OP tank (or tanks)... then nerfing it/them a patch or two later.

It makes a lot of sense from the business perspective--your good, money-spending players will recognize the new tanks as good/OP and pay to speed up their grinds. Then after you capture the initial market of people willing to do this (which if it follows the trend of 'early adopters', is the bulk of the audience willing to do this at all), you nerf the OP tanks in the name of balance.

The last several tank releases have followed this trend. The upcoming tierX meds/TDs appear to be no different. I find this trend to be a disturbing one.

I really really hope the T110E4 bucks this trend, it looks epic and its what im grinding towards.

 

[Lonbjerg]

At 3:25 the wargaming CEO says they're adding polish tanks

That is a German soldier...with a Panzer Faust...just saying, before some polish dude scolds you

 

[LurkerPrime]

I look at the patches to give me something to grind to. Like for 7.5 its gotten me off my ass and grinding towards my batchat. Its like the devs are rewarding you for grinding up a tank tree. Same thing with the other tier 10 mediums and TDs. I dind't really have a need to grind up them since they weren't clan wars tanks. Now I'm about to unlock my E50 and I've started grinding out my german and russian TDs again.

If nothing new/different/better ever came out then what would be the point? It gives variety and something to do. If not for that, then everyone would still be driving around IS-7s and Mauses. Also half the reason new tanks seem OP is that no one knows thier weaknesses when first introduced. For example the first few days the IS-4 went tier x, almost every game I played I got steel wall. A few days later, once people learned where to shoot, bouncing shots was much rarer.

Now on the other hand, some tanks are over powered, and then WG usually does come in and fix the problem (nerf stick). How else would you rather have it though? Would you rather they never fix the problem? As a developer its really hard to forsee how your entire player base is going to use/exploit a new tank. They try to tweek these things in public tests as much as possible, but sometimes the tweeks still aren't enough. It doesn't help that most people use gold rounds in the test server, since they give you 15k gold to mess around with.

You also have to think that another reason alot of new tanks seem OP is b/c some of the best players are the ones who get thier hands on them first. Most are clanned up and raking in the gold, and therefore can afford to convert boatloads of xp and it doesn't really cost them a dime. I have clanmates that had the french tier 8 arty on the first day.

 

[PowerYoga]

So, what should we do to prepare for 7.5? I heard having a 12t offers something, but only if it's elite - and that what you get isn't worth bothering to go to much trouble.

Are there other tanks to get benefits from by having them before the patch? I think I heard the Lorraine or bat.chat (not close enough to get those, though).

buy a 12t and keep it in the garage. You'll get a free garage slot and a free tank.

and yeah I'm a bit concerned with the whole trend as well, but I don't grind towards those shiny tanks like a madman. I'm barely getting to the m103 and T110 myself right now. Heck, don't even have a pershing yet.

I think I might be one of those guys that are still having fun with the game because I play once every few days, or just log on for doubles on a few tanks.

 

[Maximilian]

That is a German soldier...with a Panzer Faust...just saying, before some polish dude scolds you

Yeah i know, they called it the "eselschreck" i think, its in company of heros as a hidden german unit.