MLB:NY Mets: The Official Thread, 2007 HISTORIC meltdown COMPLETE.

[Shlong]

Mets better fix their bullpen. Otherwise a lot of games pitched by Pedro & the bats will be wasted.

 

[raystorm]

There was another thread about this and I already ranted. I don't feel like ranting anymore so I'll just say that Looper screwed up, the Mets should have had more runs (they left plenty on the bases) and its only one game.


The wait for wednesday's game will be torturous... DAMN LOOPER POOPER! ARRGGHHHH

I EXPECT THE METS TO WIN THE NEXT TWO GAMES! :|

 

[raystorm]

The NEW Mets were just swept by the Cincinnati Reds and are now headed for a series in Atlanta. Its been quite embarrassing so far. The NEW Mets couldn't buy a base hit off the immortal Aaron Harang. I can't wait to see what Zambroken has in store for us Mets fans tomorrow night. Ishii was surprisingly decent for a few innings.

 

[SP33Demon]

My prediction is Phillies take the NL East. Could be going out on a limb here but...

 

[isasir]

 

[astrosfan90]

Frankly, I've got money riding against the Mets this year, in part because I got great odds from a Mets fan friend of mine who's convinced this will be their year. I'm not convinced, however.

The bullpen issue has been addressed, but what about Beltran? He's virtually untested. Coming from a rabid Astros fan, I watched his every move last season, and while he was stellar in the playoffs, he wasn't the most impressive player in the league before September/October. Moreover, he played for relatively small market teams, at least in comparison to New York. Playing in New York comes with enormous pressure. A good game in NY isn't going 2/5 with a couple of RBIs, a run and a steal. That's supposed to be average. A good game in NY is 2 HR, 5 RBIs and a couple of flashy plays in the field, which isn't going to happen every day. I suspect that if Beltran does not continue to produce the way he did in the playoffs for Houston last season, the media and fans in NY will begin to wear on him with their criticism. Long story short, I'm really honestly curious to see how Beltran's faring around the All-Star break. My suspicion is he won't be putting up any record breaking numbers (but I'll be happy to eat my words).

I've also been worried about Pedro's stuff for the last few years. I feel like in the last 2 seasons he's lost his edge a bit--perhaps not completely, but he's no longer as lights-out as he used to be in my opinion. While he still has the ability of any superstar pitcher to pitch intelligently and work the count to get outs, I honestly think its a matter of time before he begins to self destruct, and if Pedro starts to self destruct, you know he's going to go down in flames. I love Pedro to death, but would not be shocked to see him start putting up monster numbers sometime around the middle of the season. He may still throw some great games, but I don't see it being the norm, and I'd expect him to get shaken up a lot more often. Without a solid bullpen to fall back on, that can be dangerous.

In any case, while the Mets definetly have the potential to make the playoffs this season, they also have the potential to have the wheels come off in a very ugly way.

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: Shlong
Mets better fix their bullpen. Otherwise a lot of games pitched by Pedro & the bats will be wasted.

The only pitchers who got bombed were looper and dejean, who everyone thought would be the only good pitchers in the pen. Koo, aybar, hernandez have all pitched well and I think once looper and dejean work things out the pen is going to be fine.

And phillies? You would be tough convincing anyone of that with the marlins looking pretty good, and not to mention the Braves who are the braves and will find some way to ruin everything.

 

[raystorm]

The Phillies cant blame their issues on Bowa anymore so that excuse is gone. I love Florida's lineup and they had a great game with the Braves last night with the Braves winning in the 13th (a Larry Jones homer).

I agree about the bullpen so far.. only Looper and DeJean were crappy. "Mr. Koo" has been surprisingly good as has Hernandez, Aybar and Matthews.

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Frankly, I've got money riding against the Mets this year, in part because I got great odds from a Mets fan friend of mine who's convinced this will be their year. I'm not convinced, however.

The bullpen issue has been addressed, but what about Beltran? He's virtually untested. Coming from a rabid Astros fan, I watched his every move last season, and while he was stellar in the playoffs, he wasn't the most impressive player in the league before September/October. Moreover, he played for relatively small market teams, at least in comparison to New York. Playing in New York comes with enormous pressure. A good game in NY isn't going 2/5 with a couple of RBIs, a run and a steal. That's supposed to be average. A good game in NY is 2 HR, 5 RBIs and a couple of flashy plays in the field, which isn't going to happen every day. I suspect that if Beltran does not continue to produce the way he did in the playoffs for Houston last season, the media and fans in NY will begin to wear on him with their criticism. Long story short, I'm really honestly curious to see how Beltran's faring around the All-Star break. My suspicion is he won't be putting up any record breaking numbers (but I'll be happy to eat my words).

I've also been worried about Pedro's stuff for the last few years. I feel like in the last 2 seasons he's lost his edge a bit--perhaps not completely, but he's no longer as lights-out as he used to be in my opinion. While he still has the ability of any superstar pitcher to pitch intelligently and work the count to get outs, I honestly think its a matter of time before he begins to self destruct, and if Pedro starts to self destruct, you know he's going to go down in flames. I love Pedro to death, but would not be shocked to see him start putting up monster numbers sometime around the middle of the season. He may still throw some great games, but I don't see it being the norm, and I'd expect him to get shaken up a lot more often. Without a solid bullpen to fall back on, that can be dangerous.

In any case, while the Mets definetly have the potential to make the playoffs this season, they also have the potential to have the wheels come off in a very ugly way.

First the 2hrs 5rbi statement is ridiculous, have you ever lived in NY? NY media and fans are tough, but they're competant enough not to expect the retarded numbers you mentioned.

And if getting 12 Ks out of your last 16 ABs isn't lights out please explain what is.

 

[Toasthead]

David Wright needs to be moved up in the lineup. He IS that good. I can understand not wanting to put too much pressure on him but he needs to be up in the order.

 

[chowmein]

0-3 ... all b/c of poor pitching.

terrible. just terrible. i had high hopes for this season. but swept by the Reds already?

 

[raystorm]

Mets lost AGAIN at Turner Field to the Braves 3 -1. The Mets cant buy a damn hit and they hit into so many double plays it makes me sick.

WILL THE METS WIN A GAME??!!


:|

 

[ElFenix]

hahahah 0-4

 

[pmoa]

ehhhhh.......mets are aight...i still think they are going to miss the playoffs

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: raystorm
Mets lost AGAIN at Turner Field to the Braves 3 -1. The Mets cant buy a damn hit and they hit into so many double plays it makes me sick.

WILL THE METS WIN A GAME??!!


:|

nah, it's not that the mets were bad, it's because they were playing the soon to be division winning atlanta braves.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: raystorm
Mets lost AGAIN at Turner Field to the Braves 3 -1. The Mets cant buy a damn hit and they hit into so many double plays it makes me sick.

WILL THE METS WIN A GAME??!!


:|

nah, it's not that the mets were bad, it's because they were playing the soon to be division winning atlanta braves.

:evil: The Braves sold their souls to the devil!! Thats why they win the division every year!! yea... thats it...


wow.. tomorrow its Heilman (LOL LOL) vs Ramirez and on sunday its Pedro vs Smoltz. After that the Mets face Pettitte and Clemens. HOLY COW

 

[PlatinumGold]

the braves got Raul Mondesi? WTF were they thinking?

another overweight lazy outfielder, just what they need.

of course with andruw jones and mondesi decide to lose some weight and really play ball, that could be a decent outfield.

 

[bret]

ZzZzZzZzZzZz is what i think about sports...

except golf.. lol

 

[raystorm]

Mets lost once again to the Braves and are now 0-5. amazin' indeed.

Tomorrow its Pedro vs Smoltz. Sounds awesome but knowing the Mets something bad will happen.

Right now I dont even give a damn anymore..I should still be optimistic though and pray that something clicks with this club. I do hope Pedro pitches his heart out but I have a funny feeling Smoltz will no hit the Mets...they just have no luck whatsoever now.

:frown:

 

[destined]

they will be the chicago bulls of mlb.

 

[PlatinumGold]

what is it with Jordon and the mets? he is such a mediocre player and yet he seems to have something for killing the mets.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
the braves got Raul Mondesi? WTF were they thinking?

another overweight lazy outfielder, just what they need.

of course with andruw jones and mondesi decide to lose some weight and really play ball, that could be a decent outfield.

Money. They got Mondesi and Brian Jordan on the cheap. Both have actually done pretty well during spring training and the first five games.

edit: The Braves have gotten pretty good at picking out reclamation projects since AOL-TimeWarner put a salary cap on the team.

 

[Queasy]

Is there any team other than the Mets that spends so much money with so little to show for it? The Orioles come to mind but I'm not sure if they are as bad as the Mets.

 

[raystorm]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
what is it with Jordon and the mets? he is such a mediocre player and yet he seems to have something for killing the mets.

I dont get it myself. I just dont.. Brian Jordan is a BUM but when he puts on that Braves uni and faces the Mets something triggers and he turns into a MET-KILLER. Some guys like him, Larry Jones and Pat Burrell are just met-killers.

So far its a disaster. I knew Heilman was gonna stink so I expected a loss but my god..Braden Looper looked AWFUL. My faith is almost wiped away...yea yea..its still early but sooner or later that excuse will be invalid.

Originally posted by: Queasy
Is there any team other than the Mets that spends so much money with so little to show for it? The Orioles come to mind but I'm not sure if they are as bad as the Mets.

I dont get it. Sometimes the Mets spend money on players that seem like sure things but for some reason they just go bust the second they put on a Mets uniform. There must be some poison or radiation in the detergent they use.

 

[PlatinumGold]

if you wanna see weird. look at the RS and RA by the braves, 15 RS on the season and 16 RA, of course 9 of those runs were in one game, so the pitching (other than smoltz opening day) has been solid for the braves. obviously the lineup doesn't have a lot of pop.

but from a braves fans perspective, smoltz has a blow up game every season and then settles down. i'll give smoltz 5 or 6 more starts before even thinking about writing him off.