MJ verdict reached! NOT GUILTY!!!

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Kenazo


Guilt isn't important in civil court. In criminal court you have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person is guilty, in civil court you just have to show that it's plausible that it happened.

I think you need a little more proof than just that. I can show how it's "plausible" that you smacked me in my face, but proving that it actually happened is something else entirely. In this country you don't punish people because they "could have" done something, you punish them because you've proven that they DID do something.

Criminal court of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt." Civil courts have a MUCH lower level of proof that is needed, so showing something is plausible might get accepted in a civil matter.

LMAO. No, plausible was the wrong word. The poster probably meant to say "probable".
You don't win a civil case by proving something could have happened. You win by proving that it probably happened. That is, the jury can find in favor of the plaintiff if they believe there is a greater than 50% chance that the defendant is guilty.

Remember, OJ got off but was later found guilty in civil court and had to pay 8.5 million dollars to the Goldman family.

 

[m2kewl]

damn, our court system is a load of crock!!

 

[DT4K]

All of you saying he's definitely guilty or definitely innocent are idiots. None of you were there and none of you were on the jury. Would you think it would be fair to be sent to prison because people thought you "probably" did it?

 

[Icepick]

This is how justice works in the U.S. If you're wealthy and a celebrity then congratulations! You just got yourselve a free ticket. You have free license to kill your wife (O.J.) AND you get to molest several young boys anytime you want! Yup. This verdict just proved it. In my opinion, molesting children is about as low as you can go and now even that's been declared "O.K" as long as you're a big enough celebrity and are able to keep pumping large sums of $$ to the lawyers.

 

[flexy]

the problem is actually not really some individuals spouting out their opinions.

It gets a problem when some media, news, tabloids etc. assume the very SAME opinion based on pre-judgement and (scuse me, plain stupidity) and make up their reports based on this - mostly just to bait people to buy their papers (watch their channel) etc. because it's all laden with emotions.

And emotions "aka "THIS D*M CHID MOLESTER SHOULD FRY - AND HE GOT OUT A FREE MAN !" just *sell* much better than news based on facts on common sense. The media are (and ever were) full of such judgement about michael jackson - even WAY before thsoe allegations even were on the table.

Its a hell of a difference whether someone is "different" (a freak or whatesoever)...or if someone actually really committed crimes.

80% of stupid people want to see him in jail because he is "different" - and they are not even interested in whether he REALLY commited a crime or whether the trial was actually really a GOOD trial and they did all the right things and just couldnt come up with proof for anything.

The more emotional an issue (child molesting) the more there is pre-judgement and "hang 'em now" mentality.
Btw. its a bit far-fetched - but my comparison with dictatorships totally APPLIES.

Think about how the Nazis manipulated people ? With stirred up emotions and pseudo-morale. Whether someone REALLY did something wrong was not even IMPORTANT.

 

[Icepick]

Flexy, it's not that simple. If these same accusations had been made against Joe Nobody do you think that a trial would have been dragged out for months? Do you really think that the average person would have come out unscathed like Michael did? He DEFINATELY got special treatment due to his celebrity status. As the details of the trial and the case against him come out in the next few weeks I think we're going to find out just how much of a farce this whole episode was. Just like the O.J. case.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: icepik
This is how justice works in the U.S. If you're wealthy and a celebrity then congratulations! You just got yourselve a free ticket. You have free license to kill your wife (O.J.) AND you get to molest several young boys anytime you want! Yup. This verdict just proved it. In my opinion, molesting children is about as low as you can go and now even that's been declared "O.K" as long as you're a big enough celebrity and are able to keep pumping large sums of $$ to the lawyers.

In this case, I'd say his celebrity status was a negative factor for him. Everyone knew he was a freak, and as you can see in this thread, most people assumed he's guilty because of what they've seen of him on tv.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: AaronB

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
The legal system in this country is truly disgusting. Once again, this is proof that the only way you can make it onto a jury in this country is to prove that you're too stupid to tie your shoes by yourself.

Of course, most of us knew that he'd skate. I just didn't think he'd skate on every single flipping charge.

Tell us all how you knew he was guilty.

Because we're all ATOTers, and of course we all know everything. :roll:

Seriously, you guys are fvcking idiots.

<whiny voice>"Oh there's the justice system for you wah wah wah"</whiny voice>

Fvcking right that's the justice system for you. INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. He was not PROVEN guilty therefore by our justice system he is free. While he may not have actually been innocent, the case did not have enough evidence to prove otherwise.

Now shut the fvck up, all of you.

Yes, you would have made a fine juror.

Here, let me explain something to you. I'll type slowly so hopefully you can understand it. What I'm about to tell you is a simple concept but if you aren't able to grasp it feel free to exit the thread. That goes for the rest of you mental midgets too.

Ok, hear it is so listen up. Ready? None of us were there when these alleged actions happened. Therefore, none of us knows whether or not he's guilty. I've bolded those two sentences because they're important for you to understand. If you need to read them again go ahead. I'll wait. Ok, with me so far?

Ok, moving along. Since nobody know for sure that makes any post about his guilt or innocence an opinion. I'm talking about whether or not he actually did it. Not how he was judged by the courts. Still following? Ok, next point them.

I was not a juror in this trial. Neither were any of the rest of the people in this thread. Therefore, we are all able to make whatever kind of judgements we like.

Personally, I believe Jackson was guilty and am disappointed in the justice system for proving yet again that they are unable to convict a celebrity no matter how damning the evidence is. Since I have no influence on this case I am well within my rights to believe that.

If you believe he's innocent that's fine too. Doesn't matter to me. If you believe he's guilty as hell but is blowing the entire district attorney?s office as well as every juror in addition to cutting a deal with God in exchange for an innocent verdict that's fine as well. You can think whatever the hell your want because in the end it's all just opinions and none of us can prove a damn thing.

Ok, lesson finished. If you weren't able to comprehend this lesson I'm sorry. Just go ahead and run along and let the adults talk. I can't hold your hand forever.

 

[z0mb13]

anyone who think MJ is actually innocent is a dumbass

yes that is a blanket statement

goddamit, how can fifty year old men SLEEP togehter in the same bed with kids that are not their own? on principle alone that is wrong

this is deja vu all over again...

the juries are dumbasses

:|

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: AaronB

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
The legal system in this country is truly disgusting. Once again, this is proof that the only way you can make it onto a jury in this country is to prove that you're too stupid to tie your shoes by yourself.

Of course, most of us knew that he'd skate. I just didn't think he'd skate on every single flipping charge.

Tell us all how you knew he was guilty.

Because we're all ATOTers, and of course we all know everything. :roll:

Seriously, you guys are fvcking idiots.

<whiny voice>"Oh there's the justice system for you wah wah wah"</whiny voice>

Fvcking right that's the justice system for you. INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. He was not PROVEN guilty therefore by our justice system he is free. While he may not have actually been innocent, the case did not have enough evidence to prove otherwise.

Now shut the fvck up, all of you.

Yes, you would have made a fine juror.

Here, let me explain something to you. I'll type slowly so hopefully you can understand it. What I'm about to tell you is a simple concept but if you aren't able to grasp it feel free to exit the thread. That goes for the rest of you mental midgets too.

Ok, hear it is so listen up. Ready? None of us were there when these alleged actions happened. Therefore, none of us knows whether or not he's guilty. I've bolded those two sentences because they're important for you to understand. If you need to read them again go ahead. I'll wait. Ok, with me so far?

Ok, moving along. Since nobody know for sure that makes any post about his guilt or innocence an opinion. I'm talking about whether or not he actually did it. Not how he was judged by the courts. Still following? Ok, next point them.

I was not a juror in this trial. Neither were any of the rest of the people in this thread. Therefore, we are all able to make whatever kind of judgements we like.

Personally, I believe Jackson was guilty and am disappointed in the justice system for proving yet again that they are unable to convict a celebrity no matter how damning the evidence is. Since I have no influence on this case I am well within my rights to believe that.

If you believe he's innocent that's fine too. Doesn't matter to me. If you believe he's guilty as hell but is blowing the entire district attorney?s office as well as every juror in addition to cutting a deal with God in exchange for an innocent verdict that's fine as well. You can think whatever the hell your want because in the end it's all just opinions and none of us can prove a damn thing.

Ok, lesson finished. If you weren't able to comprehend this lesson I'm sorry. Just go ahead and run along and let the adults talk. I can't hold your hand forever.

lol, the difference is that the jurors are presented with facts, and are then able to make a more informed decision than we ever could.

If you think he's guilty, you're right.. that is your opinion. If a juror thinks he is not guilty, you're right.. that is their opinion. However, the juror's opinion holds more weight because the juror was more informed on the subject.

We don't know sh!t.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: AaronB

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
The legal system in this country is truly disgusting. Once again, this is proof that the only way you can make it onto a jury in this country is to prove that you're too stupid to tie your shoes by yourself.

Of course, most of us knew that he'd skate. I just didn't think he'd skate on every single flipping charge.

Tell us all how you knew he was guilty.

Because we're all ATOTers, and of course we all know everything. :roll:

Seriously, you guys are fvcking idiots.

<whiny voice>"Oh there's the justice system for you wah wah wah"</whiny voice>

Fvcking right that's the justice system for you. INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. He was not PROVEN guilty therefore by our justice system he is free. While he may not have actually been innocent, the case did not have enough evidence to prove otherwise.

Now shut the fvck up, all of you.

Yes, you would have made a fine juror.

Here, let me explain something to you. I'll type slowly so hopefully you can understand it. What I'm about to tell you is a simple concept but if you aren't able to grasp it feel free to exit the thread. That goes for the rest of you mental midgets too.

Ok, hear it is so listen up. Ready? None of us were there when these alleged actions happened. Therefore, none of us knows whether or not he's guilty. I've bolded those two sentences because they're important for you to understand. If you need to read them again go ahead. I'll wait. Ok, with me so far?

Ok, moving along. Since nobody know for sure that makes any post about his guilt or innocence an opinion. I'm talking about whether or not he actually did it. Not how he was judged by the courts. Still following? Ok, next point them.

I was not a juror in this trial. Neither were any of the rest of the people in this thread. Therefore, we are all able to make whatever kind of judgements we like.

Personally, I believe Jackson was guilty and am disappointed in the justice system for proving yet again that they are unable to convict a celebrity no matter how damning the evidence is. Since I have no influence on this case I am well within my rights to believe that.

If you believe he's innocent that's fine too. Doesn't matter to me. If you believe he's guilty as hell but is blowing the entire district attorney?s office as well as every juror in addition to cutting a deal with God in exchange for an innocent verdict that's fine as well. You can think whatever the hell your want because in the end it's all just opinions and none of us can prove a damn thing.

Ok, lesson finished. If you weren't able to comprehend this lesson I'm sorry. Just go ahead and run along and let the adults talk. I can't hold your hand forever.

lol, the difference is that the jurors are presented with facts, and are then able to make a more informed decision than we ever could.

If you think he's guilty, you're right.. that is your opinion. If a juror thinks he is not guilty, you're right.. that is their opinion. However, the juror's opinion holds more weight because the juror was more informed on the subject.

We don't know sh!t.

I thought there is evidence of the child's fingerprints off the porn books confiscated from jackson's bedroom?

also flight attendants witnessing jackson serving alcohol in coke cans?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
anyone who think MJ is actually innocent is a dumbass

yes that is a blanket statement

goddamit, how can fifty year old men SLEEP togehter in the same bed with kids that are not their own? on principle alone that is wrong

this is deja vu all over again...

the juries are dumbasses

:|

i would like to ask ever freakin member of that jury how they would feel about their child spending time alone with Michael Jackson.

there would be some guilt felt there for sure.

 

[compudog]

Burden of proof. The prosecution failed and another guilty (my opinion) criminal is turned loose.

The jury probably felt that Jacko was guilty of some of the charges, given they took so long to deliberate, but they just didn't have the evidence they needed to make a clear decision.

He should have at least been charged with the misdemeanor of supplying alcohol to underage children.

 

[Locut0s]

While I personally did think he was gilty I also think the right verdict was reached in this case. The reason? Even from the biased distorted view of the trial we got from the media it seemed obvious to me that the prosecution messed up numerous times, did not foccus on the right issues, and left plenty of room open for reasonable doubt. As others have so forcefully pointed out, and I agree with, this is just my opinion and there is no real way for us as outside observers to know for sure.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: compudog
Burden of proof. The prosecution failed and another guilty (my opinion) criminal is turned loose.

The jury probably felt that Jacko was guilty of some of the charges, given they took so long to deliberate, but they just didn't have the evidence they needed to make a clear decision.

He should have at least been charged with the misdemeanor of supplying alcohol to underage children.

you can't know he's guilty or form a valid opinion until you hear all the facts like the jury has

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Locut0s
While I personally did think he was gilty I also think the right verdict was reached in this case. The reason? Even from the biased distorted view of the trial we got from the media it seemed obvious to me that the prosecution messed up numerous times, did not foccus on the right issues, and left plenty of room open for reasonable doubt. As others have so forcefully pointed out, and I agree with, this is just my opinion and there is no real way for us as outside observers to know for sure.

as much as I would like to believe this, but I think the real reason is because the jury is star struck. If its not MJ, the guy would be found GUILTY for sure.

Look at the peterson case, there is less convincing evidence there but the jury convicted him.

I can buy the jury having reasonable doubt on the bigger charges, but for the alcohol charge he should've been convicted.

 

[kamaboko]

i will be hitting up some of the local high school girls for a sleep over. nothing will happen. hey...it's charming.

 

[jpeyton]

Go MJ!

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Go MJ!

yayy for pedophiles! :roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Go MJ!

yayy for pedophiles!

That wasn't proven.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Go MJ!

yayy for pedophiles!

That wasn't proven.

do you honestly think that he is TRULY innocent?

he just happens to like to invite kids over for a sleep over because its fun and pure?

he settled for millions of dollars years ago, yet he still invites kids over for a sleepover?

I said it before and I will say it again, if this person is ANYONE else other than MJ, that guy would be in a federal pound me in the ass prison FOR SURE.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: icepik
Flexy, it's not that simple. If these same accusations had been made against Joe Nobody do you think that a trial would have been dragged out for months? Do you really think that the average person would have come out unscathed like Michael did? He DEFINATELY got special treatment due to his celebrity status. As the details of the trial and the case against him come out in the next few weeks I think we're going to find out just how much of a farce this whole episode was. Just like the O.J. case.

the whole point is that there PROBABLY were people with an agenda against him.

The same people who run FIRST to lawyers to get advice how to milk him for money - and THEN go to the police (or did they ever go to the police in the first place ?)

The SAME people who claimed their kids have been molested by some security guards at a JC Pennies..and other totally blatant BS which shows the real agenda of those kind of people.

I ADMIT - now *I* am pre-judging, too But...

Then they ask the "witnesses" what actually happened and they couldnt even repeat TWICE what the actual accusations were...their whole story and accusations just didnt have ANY grounds and changed, often they couldnt even remember or just contradicted themselves...etc..etc..

And thats also the reason i am not suprised at all he was found innocent because the trial and the MONEY spent on it was a really big farce - this was clear after i semi-followed it for a few days in the news etc.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: icepik
Flexy, it's not that simple. If these same accusations had been made against Joe Nobody do you think that a trial would have been dragged out for months? Do you really think that the average person would have come out unscathed like Michael did? He DEFINATELY got special treatment due to his celebrity status. As the details of the trial and the case against him come out in the next few weeks I think we're going to find out just how much of a farce this whole episode was. Just like the O.J. case.

the whole point is that there PROBABLY were people with an agenda against him.

The same people who run FIRST to lawyers to get advice how to milk him for money - and THEN go to the police (or did they ever go to the police in the first place ?)

The SAME people who claimed their kids have been molested by some security guards at a JC Pennies..and other totally blatant BS which shows the real agenda of those kind of people.

I ADMIT - now *I* am pre-judging, too But...

Then they ask the "witnesses" what actually happened and they couldnt even repeat TWICE what the actual accusations were...their whole story and accusations just didnt have ANY grounds and changed, often they couldnt even remember or just contradicted themselves...etc..etc..

And thats also the reason i am not suprised at all he was found innocent because the trial and the MONEY spent on it was a really big farce - this was clear after i semi-followed it for a few days in the news etc.

so the kid's fingerprint on the porn magazines were not real?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Go MJ!

yayy for pedophiles!

That wasn't proven.

do you honestly think that he is TRULY innocent?

he just happens to like to invite kids over for a sleep over because its fun and pure?

he settled for millions of dollars years ago, yet he still invites kids over for a sleepover?

I said it before and I will say it again, if this person is ANYONE else other than MJ, that guy would be in a federal pound me in the ass prison FOR SURE.

I'm not in the house so I can't say if he is innocent or not, obviously there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The parents that have been bringing theor children to MJ over the many many years are ultimately responsible for the well being of their kids that they bring to somewhere other than their own home, period, end of story as history shows here.

It's just like a gun, Guns don't kill, people kill. Blame the finger not the trigger.

Blame the Parents.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Go MJ!

yayy for pedophiles!

That wasn't proven.

do you honestly think that he is TRULY innocent?

he just happens to like to invite kids over for a sleep over because its fun and pure?

he settled for millions of dollars years ago, yet he still invites kids over for a sleepover?

I said it before and I will say it again, if this person is ANYONE else other than MJ, that guy would be in a federal pound me in the ass prison FOR SURE.

I'm not in the house so I can't say if he is innocent or not, obviously there wasn't sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The parents that have been bringing theor children to MJ over the many many years are ultimately responsible for the well being of their kids that they bring to somewhere other than their own home, period, end of story as history shows here.

It's just like a gun, Guns don't kill, people kill. Blame the finger not the trigger.

Blame the Parents.

I blame the parents as well. no sane parents would bring their kids to neverland.

but still the parent factor does not excuse mj. What he is doing is wrong, and he should pay the price.