JulesMaximus
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flexy
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HERE WE GO
I dont say its NORMAL for a 50 year old person to sleep in bed with younger guys. But its not a CRIME nor is AUTOMATICALLY something evil and pervert assumed JUST BY THIS.
Maybe he really just slept in the bed with them (like told in the bashir (sp ?) repot - so godfreakin' WHAT ??? Maybe some people just should keep THEIR (!) perverted fantasies down a bit ?
This our country is so full of people and wrong morale - where nudity and things a bit on the side of the norm ALWAYS create a stir.
I am also coming from a healthy eruropean family and when i tell people HERE about normal things, like eg. how we used to take baths with our parents or w/ my sister etc when we were kids....i am always amazed about the reactions since HERE its obviously un-thinkable that a kid can take a bath with his dad WITHOUT being molested etc. OR i was able to take a bath as a little kid with my sister without having my way with her..etc...
Just as an example.
It is to a CERTAIN extent ODD what he (MJ) does - i agree.....but then its stil a LONG WAY to go from oddity to just plain criminal actions !
If you dont see the line better never be a judge/juror !
moshquerade
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JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: flexy
the whole point is that there PROBABLY were people with an agenda against him.
The same people who run FIRST to lawyers to get advice how to milk him for money - and THEN go to the police (or did they ever go to the police in the first place ?)
The SAME people who claimed their kids have been molested by some security guards at a JC Pennies..and other totally blatant BS which shows the real agenda of those kind of people.
I ADMIT - now *I* am pre-judging, too
Then they ask the "witnesses" what actually happened and they couldnt even repeat TWICE what the actual accusations were...their whole story and accusations just didnt have ANY grounds and changed, often they couldnt even remember or just contradicted themselves...etc..etc..
And thats also the reason i am not suprised at all he was found innocent because the trial and the MONEY spent on it was a really big farce - this was clear after i semi-followed it for a few days in the news etc.
That is not true. They played a video of the child who testified that was taken during his first interview by police (like 7 years ago) and it was remarkably similar to his story on the stand and very credible from what I've heard from reporters who were in the courtroom and saw the tape. The child acted scared and came across as very believable. Some of his testimony (the smaller details) were a bit inconsistent but not the molestation details.
flexy
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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: flexy
the whole point is that there PROBABLY were people with an agenda against him.
The same people who run FIRST to lawyers to get advice how to milk him for money - and THEN go to the police (or did they ever go to the police in the first place ?)
The SAME people who claimed their kids have been molested by some security guards at a JC Pennies..and other totally blatant BS which shows the real agenda of those kind of people.
I ADMIT - now *I* am pre-judging, too
Then they ask the "witnesses" what actually happened and they couldnt even repeat TWICE what the actual accusations were...their whole story and accusations just didnt have ANY grounds and changed, often they couldnt even remember or just contradicted themselves...etc..etc..
And thats also the reason i am not suprised at all he was found innocent because the trial and the MONEY spent on it was a really big farce - this was clear after i semi-followed it for a few days in the news etc.
so the kid's fingerprint on the porn magazines were not real?
no they actually are...but they prove, what ?
The kid touched/held the DVD.
Thats all they prove. Sorry for that. Need more substance than this to make any statement which goes further.
Even that the kid actually LOOKED at the porn is rather a speculation (its likely, tho)...but its not proven by the prints. AND of course NOT that he watched the porn w/ MJ together and everything ELSE implied.
Speculation.
Originally posted by: flexy
HERE WE GO
I dont say its NORMAL for a 50 year old person to sleep in bed with younger guys. But its not a CRIME nor is AUTOMATICALLY something evil and pervert assumed JUST BY THIS.
Maybe he really just slept in the bed with them (like told in the bashir (sp ?) repot - so godfreakin' WHAT ??? Maybe some people just should keep THEIR (!) perverted fantasies down a bit ?
This our country is so full of people and wrong morale - where nudity and things a bit on the side of the norm ALWAYS create a stir.
I am also coming from a healthy eruropean family and when i tell people HERE about normal things, like eg. how we used to take baths with our parents or w/ my sister etc when we were kids....i am always amazed about the reactions since HERE its obviously un-thinkable that a kid can take a bath with his dad WITHOUT being molested etc. OR i was able to take a bath as a little kid with my sister without having my way with her..etc...
Just as an example.
It is to a CERTAIN extent ODD what he (MJ) does - i agree.....but then its stil a LONG WAY to go from oddity to just plain criminal actions !
If you dont see the line better never be a judge/juror !
taking baths with parents or relatives is FINE. its perfectly acceptable. but sleeping in a bed with a total stranger just because he is a famoust person is NOT fine.
yes maybe you can make the argument jackson likes to sleep in bed with children without any sexual feelings/actions, but he settled millions of dollars with some kid years ago.. and he STILL sleeps with children? that is just F-ed up
Originally posted by: flexy
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: flexy
the whole point is that there PROBABLY were people with an agenda against him.
The same people who run FIRST to lawyers to get advice how to milk him for money - and THEN go to the police (or did they ever go to the police in the first place ?)
The SAME people who claimed their kids have been molested by some security guards at a JC Pennies..and other totally blatant BS which shows the real agenda of those kind of people.
I ADMIT - now *I* am pre-judging, too
Then they ask the "witnesses" what actually happened and they couldnt even repeat TWICE what the actual accusations were...their whole story and accusations just didnt have ANY grounds and changed, often they couldnt even remember or just contradicted themselves...etc..etc..
And thats also the reason i am not suprised at all he was found innocent because the trial and the MONEY spent on it was a really big farce - this was clear after i semi-followed it for a few days in the news etc.
so the kid's fingerprint on the porn magazines were not real?
no they actually are...but they prove, what ?
The kid touched/held the DVD.
Thats all they prove. Sorry for that. Need more substance than this to make any statement which goes further.
Even that the kid actually LOOKED at the porn is rather a speculation (its likely, tho)...but its not proven by the prints. AND of course NOT that he watched the porn w/ MJ together and everything ELSE implied.
Speculation.
its called connecting the dots..
yes maybe there was no sufficient evidence to convict MJ... but honestly do you actually think he is innocent?
to some up this whole thread:
dan rathers on CBS was taking forever to reach the verdict becuase he was to busy second guessing himself, while idiots and non-idiots alike gessed if he was guilty or not. Meanwhile blake, OJ, and any other minority who had money was watching the trial, truely free men in the US. After the verdict was announced keebler elves and the Wal-Mart family started rioting, but white doves and michael teflon smooth jackson slipped out of the courtroom and calmed everybody down (4 elves are in critical condition). There was a whole bunch of WTFBBQ's held with grilled justice with a side of Black beans and White potatos, and for desert DA needs a new job a la'mode. After everyone finished their meals they all took a roflcopter to MJ's house at never never land where it was bring your own underoo's night and leave with someone elses. People who didnt get invited got pissed becuase they had opinions that really mattered, but the convicted pedophile didnt take them seriously...and before the night/thread ends people will be having sleepover's with teenagers and giving beers to minors.....and in related news Paramount Pictures anounces new movie....Ray 2: Look what you can do with money!
Yup i think i about covered everything...hope i made you laugh
dan rathers on CBS was taking forever to reach the verdict becuase he was to busy second guessing himself, while idiots and non-idiots alike gessed if he was guilty or not. Meanwhile blake, OJ, and any other minority who had money was watching the trial, truely free men in the US. After the verdict was announced keebler elves and the Wal-Mart family started rioting, but white doves and michael teflon smooth jackson slipped out of the courtroom and calmed everybody down (4 elves are in critical condition). There was a whole bunch of WTFBBQ's held with grilled justice with a side of Black beans and White potatos, and for desert DA needs a new job a la'mode. After everyone finished their meals they all took a roflcopter to MJ's house at never never land where it was bring your own underoo's night and leave with someone elses. People who didnt get invited got pissed becuase they had opinions that really mattered, but the convicted pedophile didnt take them seriously...and before the night/thread ends people will be having sleepover's with teenagers and giving beers to minors.....and in related news Paramount Pictures anounces new movie....Ray 2: Look what you can do with money!
Yup i think i about covered everything...hope i made you laugh
one of the counts was delivering intoxicating agent to underage children. he didnt even get nailed for this!
moshquerade
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you go ahead and justify Michael Jackson actions.
like i've said, would you feel fine having your child spend time alone with him?
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JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: flexy
HERE WE GO
I dont say its NORMAL for a 50 year old person to sleep in bed with younger guys. But its not a CRIME nor is AUTOMATICALLY something evil and pervert assumed JUST BY THIS.
Maybe he really just slept in the bed with them (like told in the bashir (sp ?) repot - so godfreakin' WHAT ??? Maybe some people just should keep THEIR (!) perverted fantasies down a bit ?
This our country is so full of people and wrong morale - where nudity and things a bit on the side of the norm ALWAYS create a stir.
I am also coming from a healthy eruropean family and when i tell people HERE about normal things, like eg. how we used to take baths with our parents or w/ my sister etc when we were kids....i am always amazed about the reactions since HERE its obviously un-thinkable that a kid can take a bath with his dad WITHOUT being molested etc. OR i was able to take a bath as a little kid with my sister without having my way with her..etc...
Just as an example.
It is to a CERTAIN extent ODD what he (MJ) does - i agree.....but then its stil a LONG WAY to go from oddity to just plain criminal actions !
If you dont see the line better never be a judge/juror !
taking baths with parents or relatives is FINE. its perfectly acceptable. but sleeping in a bed with a total stranger just because he is a famoust person is NOT fine.
yes maybe you can make the argument jackson likes to sleep in bed with children without any sexual feelings/actions, but he settled millions of dollars with some kid years ago.. and he STILL sleeps with children? that is just F-ed up
That to me is the most damning evidence of his guilt. He pays millions of dollars to make a case go away yet he doesn't change his behavior. He keeps doing the very act that got him in trouble the first time. That is what a pedophile does. They can't stop. He will molest again and it will be on the jury who acquited him. They let a pedophile off the hook. I am convinced of that. :|
There was a case recently where a guy molested and killed a little girl in Santa Ana, CA (Samantha Runion). The killer was brought to trial a few years prior for molesting a young girl but the jury didn't believe the child and let him off. Well, this time he killed a little girl after molesting her so as not to leave a witness. In fact, the girl he molested in the first trial testified in this trial. Can you imagine what it must have been like for this poor girl to have to get up there on the stand again to testify against this monster who has now killed an innocent child? God, I hope those people who let him off the first time burn in hell. They are directly responsible for the death of that little girl.
MJ will molest again. It's only a matter of time.
flexy
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i THINK he is odd. Whether he actually molested kids i really dont know.
If i were a big star with ALREADY a big history of those accusations i would NOT go on and molest little guys (even if i wanted) because i would be DUMB to do so. Too much to lose. just doesnt make sense.
But then...i dont know.
moshquerade
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you are right. he will do it again. he has a sickness, an obsession, and unless he admits it and gets treated it will rear its' ugly head again, and there will be another victim.Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: flexy
HERE WE GO
I dont say its NORMAL for a 50 year old person to sleep in bed with younger guys. But its not a CRIME nor is AUTOMATICALLY something evil and pervert assumed JUST BY THIS.
Maybe he really just slept in the bed with them (like told in the bashir (sp ?) repot - so godfreakin' WHAT ??? Maybe some people just should keep THEIR (!) perverted fantasies down a bit ?
This our country is so full of people and wrong morale - where nudity and things a bit on the side of the norm ALWAYS create a stir.
I am also coming from a healthy eruropean family and when i tell people HERE about normal things, like eg. how we used to take baths with our parents or w/ my sister etc when we were kids....i am always amazed about the reactions since HERE its obviously un-thinkable that a kid can take a bath with his dad WITHOUT being molested etc. OR i was able to take a bath as a little kid with my sister without having my way with her..etc...
Just as an example.
It is to a CERTAIN extent ODD what he (MJ) does - i agree.....but then its stil a LONG WAY to go from oddity to just plain criminal actions !
If you dont see the line better never be a judge/juror !
taking baths with parents or relatives is FINE. its perfectly acceptable. but sleeping in a bed with a total stranger just because he is a famoust person is NOT fine.
yes maybe you can make the argument jackson likes to sleep in bed with children without any sexual feelings/actions, but he settled millions of dollars with some kid years ago.. and he STILL sleeps with children? that is just F-ed up
That to me is the most damning evidence of his guilt. He pays millions of dollars to make a case go away yet he doesn't change his behavior. He keeps doing the very act that got him in trouble the first time. That is what a pedophile does. They can't stop. He will molest again and it will be on the jury who acquited him. They let a pedophile off the hook. I am convinced of that. :|
There was a case recently where a guy molested and killed a little girl in Santa Ana, CA (Samantha Runion). The killer was brought to trial a few years prior for molesting a young girl but the jury didn't believe the child and let him off. Well, this time he killed a little girl after molesting her so as not to leave a witness. In fact, the girl he molested in the first trial testified in this trial. Can you imagine what it must have been like for this poor girl to have to get up there on the stand again to testify against this monster who has now killed an innocent child? God, I hope those people who let him off the first time burn in hell. They are directly responsible for the death of that little girl.
MJ will molest again. It's only a matter of time.
No, in civil court you still need to find responsibility, you just don't need the criteria of 'beyond a resonable doubt'.
Punishment for what? For being weird? There's no crime against that.
As for the molestations in the past... they were BS too. Why would anybody sell out if they truly were molested? For money? Well, as has been proven many times, you can lose a criminal trial and still win a civil. He's been sleeping with children for decades... in the hundreds of cases, only ONE has come forward? If that's true, then he has self-control over his deviant impulse like no other child molester.
I still dont understand why people believe a child is so greatly credible (i know child rape victums, so you dont thing im saying this with know heart. however, i as well have grown up with knowing the difference between a lie and the truth in this matter) granted he is the main focus of the case,but it tell a child he will get a large sum of money for doing some thing they will do it regaurdless. for instance, if i had video camera(proof factor) and i found child and i gave him 5 dollars to hit me the it leg with a spade the child would do so. not to mention the massive lack of physical evidence as well as the incosestenciesin the case and the lack of the prosecution making their witnesses play in the favor of them..
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