Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[LegendKiller]

I looked it up, I didn't know dorian, through his lawyer, said that brown took some cigars.

How does that change anything?

For somebody that's supposedly so educated about every facet of this, and other cases (trayvon) you don't know a whole lot, do you? Nope, to sum it up, you're either a fucking idiot. Or a fucking troll.

 

[ivwshane]

For somebody that's supposedly so educated about every facet of this, and other cases (trayvon) you don't know a whole lot, do you? Nope, to sum it up, you're either a fucking idiot. Or a fucking troll.

Lol! You guys are funny with your straw man arguments! Is there anything else you'd like to make up about me or are you and cubby taking turns licking the foam off of each other's lips?

You sound mad, you mad?

Keep it stupid😉

 

[Annisman*]

@ivwshane this is getting embarrassing to watch just stop already. I'm going to make a very shocking statement here >sarcasm< that if the jury or whoever finds this cop totally innocent you'll simply refuse to believe any of it. Now how does one argue with a person like that ?

 

[ivwshane]

@ivwshane this is getting embarrassing to watch just stop already. I'm going to make a very shocking statement here >sarcasm< that if the jury or whoever finds this cop totally innocent you'll simply refuse to believe any of it. Now how does one argue with a person like that ?

It is getting embarrassing, just not for me. You guys obviously aren't capable of reading, so please continue on making an ass of yourself. I especially like the hypocrisy of complaining about my theory of the events that transpired while simultaneously making your own baseless conclusions. The difference, of course, is that you don't see me stating wilson will be found guilty or innocent.

But please do continue to tell me that whatever conclusion the jury comes to I won't believe any of it, while you proclaim to know Wilson's innocence. I'm sure the logic you use to come to that conclusion was the same logic you use to deny climate change.

Lol! Stick to playing/talking about video games, you aren't smart enough for reality😉

 

[Annisman*]

It is getting embarrassing, just not for me. You guys obviously aren't capable of reading, so please continue on making an ass of yourself. I especially like the hypocrisy of complaining about my theory of the events that transpired while simultaneously making your own baseless conclusions. The difference, of course, is that you don't see me stating wilson will be found guilty or innocent.

But please do continue to tell me that whatever conclusion the jury comes to I won't believe any of it, while you proclaim to know Wilson's innocence. I'm sure the logic you use to come to that conclusion was the same logic you use to deny climate change.

Lol! Stick to playing/talking about video games, you aren't smart enough for reality😉

I will trust in whatever the jury decides, will you ?

 

[TechBoyJK]

Feel free to explain how it matters, mind you I'm looking for facts and not your gut feelings.

Proceed...

LOL @ the last 3 pages of you trolling.

You're trolling right?

It's like you simply can't admit Brown was a delusional thug that got himself killed.

Water is wet. Sky is blue. Brown was a delusional thug.

Case closed.

Wilson walks and will be back to patrolling the streets of Ferguson soon.

 

[Druidx]

The question I keep asking myself, is he trolling or honestly that stupid. It's easy to assume he trolling but there are still people dumb enough to protest even after more facts came out that drastically changed the situation.

 

[Blanky]

Lol! You guys are funny with your straw man arguments! Is there anything else you'd like to make up about me or are you and cubby taking turns licking the foam off of each other's lips?

You sound mad, you mad?

Keep it stupid😉

You spoke with confidence that brown didn't rob a store. You said this because you felt it was relevant. When it was then proven to you that he did rob a store you admitted to having been wrong but then argued it was no longer relevant. If you had left it after your admission, we wouldn't have all these other posts. We have them because in the same breath as admitting to being wrong about the robbery you attempt to undermine it as not germane to the topic. And when that, naturally, bothers people you were moments earlier arguing with that he didn't rob a store, your response is to skirt the matter further and simply insult them.

Text book trolling.

 

[ivwshane]

I guess I have to quote myself because people can't read. This was about a page or two ago. What this has to do with my original statement I don't know.

I looked it up, I didn't know dorian, through his lawyer, said that brown took some cigars.

How does that change anything?

Please continue making ass's of yourselves, you guys apparently have nothing better to do.

 

[ivwshane]

You spoke with confidence that brown didn't rob a store. You said this because you felt it was relevant. When it was then proven to you that he did rob a store you admitted to having been wrong but then argued it was no longer relevant. If you had left it after your admission, we wouldn't have all these other posts. We have them because in the same breath as admitting to being wrong about the robbery you attempt to undermine it as not germane to the topic. And when that, naturally, bothers people you were moments earlier arguing with that he didn't rob a store, your response is to skirt the matter further and simply insult them.

Text book trolling.

How does brown robbing a store affect anything? I'll ask once again for specific facts and not gut feelings. Can you answer that or is your bullshit some how better than my bullshit?

 

[HomerJS]

So we have MB friend admit the robbery, we have video, we have an eyewitness call the police and we have the police dispatch giving a description matching MB.

Then we have a McShane who claims none of that matters because poor innocent MB was shot for jaywalking.

From what I recall the police said the stopping of Brown had nothing to do with the leaked recording from the store.

 

[werepossum]

I think our justice system is hugely responsible for our current situation.

We absolutely LOVE putting people in jail here in the US. We have 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds inmates. That means here in the US an encounter with the police, even if you are doing something illegal yet harming absolutely no one, is FAR more likely to land your ass in jail for a long period of time. That alone gives people a huge reason to fear police and incentive to try to fight/run your way out of the encounter.

The UK doesn't throw nearly as many people in jail. So if your a low rent criminal you are better off consenting with the police, taking your slap on the wrist, and going on about your life versus fighting the police and then giving them reason to actually throw you in jail.

Consider two scenarios:

You have some illegal drugs on you and a cop is approaching you and you're fairly certain he is going to search you. If you are found with those drugs you will be facing a decade or longer in jail.

Same exact situation but you might fact a very short jail stint or maybe no jail at all.

Out of those two situations, which are you more likely to fight or run? Make it 30-40 years, would you be potentially willing to use deadly force to essentially save your life (as you know it)? Would you be willing to use deadly force to save yourself from a few months in jail?

Good points.

The fact that you are being so disingenuous with respect to the robbery (which was, after all, captured on video) demonstrates that you don't have an open mind to accept a conclusion different from your own. It's immaterial who reported it - the reality is that Michael Brown stole and shoved a storekeeper to the ground.

From my perspective, we the public don't yet have enough evidence to start drawing firm conclusions about what happened here, but we do know that Brown was a huge guy who had committed a violent crime just minutes before his shooting. All we know about Darren Wilson is that he has been a cop for several years without any previous complaints. Based on those facts, and my own experiences in the world, it strikes me as likelier that Brown was the instigator of the violence between himself and Wilson. Moreover, it appears that the medical examiner's reports broadly corroborate Wilson's version of events. We shall see . . .

Well said, although I don't think we can say that Brown probably instigated the violence. Wilson grabbing his arm seems reasonably likely to me, as evidently he did not know about the robbery when he first told them to get out of the road, then learned of it before the second confrontation. Stopping Brown to question him doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

LOL @ the last 3 pages of you trolling.

You're trolling right?

It's like you simply can't admit Brown was a delusional thug that got himself killed.

Water is wet. Sky is blue. Brown was a delusional thug.

Case closed.

Wilson walks and will be back to patrolling the streets of Ferguson soon.

Do we have ANY substantiated evidence of Brown being a thug other than this day? We know he was quite high - maybe he got some bad weed or is one of those few people who react badly to weed and did something he would normally never do.

IMO calling someone a thug implies a thug lifestyle, not a single day. Here we don't even have the Trayvon Martin thug profiling on social media. Plus Brown had just been accepted into college, so at best (worst?) he could have been a part-time thug, some sort of HVAC technician by day and hardcore gangsta by night. In other words, exactly like half the white kids on Facebook.

Funniest story in this saga: http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/anonymous-takes-control-kkks-twitter

Anonymous can be relentless when they sense injustice, and Ferguson is a ripe battlefield for them.

From the video:

KKK it has came to our unfortunate attention that you have been interfering with Anonymous.

We are not attacking you because of what you believe in as we fight for freedom of speech…
We are attacking you because of what you did to our brothers and sisters at the Ferguson protest on the 12th of November.

Due to your actions we have started Operation KKK. The aim of our operation is nothing more than Cyber Warfare. Anything you upload will be taken down, anything you use to promote the KKK will be shut down.

DDos attacks have already been sent and have infiltrated your servers over the past 2 days… d0x's have also been launched on leaders of the KKK. All information retrieved will be given to the public.

You messed with our family and now we will mess with yours…

Let the cyber war begin.

We are legion.
We do not forgive
We do not forget
Ku Klux Klan you should have expect us.​

They are keeping their promise faithfully.

 

[HumblePie]

Well said, although I don't think we can say that Brown probably instigated the violence. Wilson grabbing his arm seems reasonably likely to me, as evidently he did not know about the robbery when he first told them to get out of the road, then learned of it before the second confrontation. Stopping Brown to question him doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Going about with likely logical deduction based off past behavior, it seems less likely that officer Wilson tried to grab Brown, a big guy, while still in his vehicle from a lower position of leverage. Physics dictate it is not possible, and it is not something any cop or anyone is trained to do. Is there a chance that Wilson tried to grab Brown while still in his vehicle based on the evidence we know 100% in this case so far? Sure there is a small chance, but I think there is a bigger chance of pigs to start flying out of my anus.

What is more likely is after Wilson slowed down to yell at the two to stop jaywalking, he probably put the two teens on edge since they had just robbed a store with physical violence and were both very high. They think they are safe as he starts to move away after yelling at them to move along. I am pretty sure those two had their sphincters pucker up there and went through a complete adrenaline dump when Wilson first slowed down. Then to see Wilson stop and start to back up to them probably sent them over the edge. More than likely Wilson backed up to them and opened his car door to get out and that is when Brown pounced to prevent Wilson from getting out. A big guy with superior leverage position thought he could get the jump on the cop and get away.

Out of those two scenarios and based on the currently known evidence, which seems like the more likely one?

Do we have ANY substantiated evidence of Brown being a thug other than this day? We know he was quite high - maybe he got some bad weed or is one of those few people who react badly to weed and did something he would normally never do.

IMO calling someone a thug implies a thug lifestyle, not a single day. Here we don't even have the Trayvon Martin thug profiling on social media. Plus Brown had just been accepted into college, so at best (worst?) he could have been a part-time thug, some sort of HVAC technician by day and hardcore gangsta by night. In other words, exactly like half the white kids on Facebook.

We don't know near as much about Brown's personal history, but one doesn't just decide on a whim one day to smoke a bunch of weed and then rob a store with violence. Unless he just had a complete brain imbalance that day from hitting his head, or went through a traumatic experience that day, no one in human history has ever done all that together on a whim. No one starts doing major crimes that they know are crimes without working up to them with smaller crimes without extreme extenuating circumstances. It just doesn't happen. I am willing to allow that maybe something happened that day or very recently to that day which made Brown snap and go stupid with regards to running afoul of the law, but the more likely scenario was that the robbery was not his first rodeo.

 

[ivwshane]

Are you aware of how many assumptions about character and motive you just made?

With regards to the ability of not being able to pull brown through the window, he was in an SUV not some squad car, also wilson isn't a short guy according to any video or pictures I've seen (I have yet to see anyone be taller than him in any videos or pictures).

So while you may be fine with dismissing such a scenario, your basis seems a little lacking.

Going about with likely logical deduction based off past behavior, it seems less likely that officer Wilson tried to grab Brown, a big guy, while still in his vehicle from a lower position of leverage. Physics dictate it is not possible, and it is not something any cop or anyone is trained to do. Is there a chance that Wilson tried to grab Brown while still in his vehicle based on the evidence we know 100% in this case so far? Sure there is a small chance, but I think there is a bigger chance of pigs to start flying out of my anus.

What is more likely is after Wilson slowed down to yell at the two to stop jaywalking, he probably put the two teens on edge since they had just robbed a store with physical violence and were both very high. They think they are safe as he starts to move away after yelling at them to move along. I am pretty sure those two had their sphincters pucker up there and went through a complete adrenaline dump when Wilson first slowed down. Then to see Wilson stop and start to back up to them probably sent them over the edge. More than likely Wilson backed up to them and opened his car door to get out and that is when Brown pounced to prevent Wilson from getting out. A big guy with superior leverage position thought he could get the jump on the cop and get away.

Out of those two scenarios and based on the currently known evidence, which seems like the more likely one?



We don't know near as much about Brown's personal history, but one doesn't just decide on a whim one day to smoke a bunch of weed and then rob a store with violence. Unless he just had a complete brain imbalance that day from hitting his head, or went through a traumatic experience that day, no one in human history has ever done all that together on a whim. No one starts doing major crimes that they know are crimes without working up to them with smaller crimes without extreme extenuating circumstances. It just doesn't happen. I am willing to allow that maybe something happened that day or very recently to that day which made Brown snap and go stupid with regards to running afoul of the law, but the more likely scenario was that the robbery was not his first rodeo.

 

[Blanky]

:wub:

How does brown robbing a store affect anything? I'll ask once again for specific facts and not gut feelings. Can you answer that or is your bullshit some how better than my bullshit?

Robbing a store and shoving its clerk speaks to his character and state of mind. But you have already been told that. You have picked a side in this with the conviction of a sports fan and embraced a ridiculous narrative that pretends a person who robs a store and pushes its owner shouldn't have this bellwether of his behavior used against him in an event moments later.

 

[Blanky]

Are you aware of how many assumptions about character and motive you just made?

With regards to the ability of not being able to pull brown through the window, he was in an SUV not some squad car, also wilson isn't a short guy according to any video or pictures I've seen (I have yet to see anyone be taller than him in any videos or pictures).

So while you may be fine with dismissing such a scenario, your basis seems a little lacking.

Some of us have a better sense of human psychology than you claim to in this thread.

Understanding people's motivations is much easier than you are pretending.

 

[Svnla]

The Governor is activated National Guards in preparation = http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/missouri-governor-activates-national-guard-26975108

Good call. Better to have it and not need it than get caught unprepared.

 

[CZroe]

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Are you aware of how many assumptions about character and motive you just made?

With regards to the ability of not being able to pull brown through the window, he was in an SUV not some squad car, also wilson isn't a short guy according to any video or pictures I've seen (I have yet to see anyone be taller than him in any videos or pictures).

So while you may be fine with dismissing such a scenario, your basis seems a little lacking.

LOL! Wilson is tall and drives an SUV so it suddenly makes perfect sense that he would try to apprehend him through a window and put him in his lap. Totes. 🙄

Listen to yourself. The only scenario and interpretation you are open to is NOT the "most likely," it's the one where Wilson is still a bad guy. 🙄

And FFS, stop acting like we care about the biased, lying, racially-motivated, "Eff da po-lice" (don't care that some were white) "eye witnesses." I have watched eye witnesses collectively lie more than once and will NEVER rely on it to form an opinion unless there is a total lack of additional evidence. That's how you get lynch mobs and cared "justice." Everyone knows this.

 

[ivwshane]

Some of us have a better sense of human psychology than you claim to in this thread.

Understanding people's motivations is much easier than you are pretending.

Sorry, expert, you having an "understanding" of human emotions isn't good enough to hold up in a court of law.

Go ahead and continue to use your gut feeling though, it matches nicely with the foam around your mouth😉

 

[ivwshane]

LOL! Wilson is tall and drives an SUV so it suddenly makes perfect sense that he would try to apprehend him in his lap. Totes. Listen to yourself. The only scenario and interpretation you are open to is NOT the "most likely," it's the one where Wilson is still a bad guy. 🙄

FFS, stop acting like we care about the biased, lying, racially-motivated "eye witnesses." I have watched eye witnesses collectively lie more than once and will NEVER rely on it to form an opinion unless there is a total lack of additional evidence. Everyone knows this.

Lol! Do you even read your own posts? "My scenario" is based on an eye witness account, all you have is your gut feeling of the "most likely" scenario. Sorry totes, that's not good enough for the courts.

I enjoyed the laughs and the dismissing of multiple witnesses with zero evidence to back up any claims.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

LMAO!!! Relying on eye witnesses that all claimed Brown was shot in the back. Witnesses who's statements do not line up with the forensic data that is known from the autopsy released by the Brown Family lawyer or gunshots that were captured by chat software. Funny how you discount the witness who was accidentally caught in video within seconds after the incident who described Brown coming at Wilson when he was shot and continued to come at him until the final shots.

 

[cabri]

Lol! Do you even read your own posts? "My scenario" is based on an eye witness account, all you have is your gut feeling of the "most likely" scenario. Sorry totes, that's not good enough for the courts.

I enjoyed the laughs and the dismissing of multiple witnesses with zero evidence to back up any claims.

And what of the "witnesses" that the physical evidence disputes.

Physical evidence has not bias or ulterior interests.

Unless you want to interpret the evidence differently as such.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Here come the troops

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_14d736ab-6f7e-565f-bbee-f6a3eb5d551b.html

 

[CZroe]

Lol! Do you even read your own posts? "My scenario" is based on an eye witness account, all you have is your gut feeling of the "most likely" scenario. Sorry totes, that's not good enough for the courts.

I enjoyed the laughs and the dismissing of multiple witnesses with zero evidence to back up any claims.

Since when did mountains of evidence contradicting the eye witnesses mean "zero evidence?"

And as for your "eye witnesses," I already discussed my perspective in the riot thread:

...There are 6 eye witness accounts that claim he killed that kid in cold blood...

That means a lot less than you think it does. Let me tell you a personal life experience we witnessed:
Our friend was one of only two white families living in the Eastgate Apartments projects. There were no issues. Everyone was neighborly until one day when a man rear-ended his mom's parked car at the mailboxes while his mom was checking the mail. It didn't matter that his aunt lives right next to him and all of his cousins and their father were black; all that mattered was that they were white and the man that hit them was black. ALL of the black neighbors told the police that his sister was playing in the front seat and knocked it out of "Park," which caused it to roll back into the neighbor. It was a complete fabrication, but there simply weren't enough witnesses telling the truth to counter it.

Don't be ignorant to reality. Do NOT trust agenda-driven "witnesses."

It happened to my mother in a vehicle accident as well, though everyone was the same race. Only the other vehicle had "eye witnesses" but they all admitted fault so other potential witnesses had left the scene. When it came time to deal with the insurance companies and police, suddenly, they all changed their story.

People hate authority and they LOVE bandwagons. Your "eye witnesses" are no better than a lynch mob. Selfish self-righteousness drives mob mentality. People who understand the real world know this. Come back to reality and stop looking for far fetched stories where Wilson MIGHT be the bad guy and see how things *really* are. You might think it's fun to imagine that the police are a bunch of power-mad racist thugs that need to be stopped, but it's an eye-opening perspective when you realize just how few are and just how unlikely this is related.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Lol! Do you even read your own posts? "My scenario" is based on an eye witness account, all you have is your gut feeling of the "most likely" scenario. Sorry totes, that's not good enough for the courts.

I enjoyed the laughs and the dismissing of multiple witnesses with zero evidence to back up any claims.

You still believe those eye witnesses who claimed he was shot in the back? For fucks sake dude.