Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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HumblePie

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I'll just leave this little bit of quotations for larfs.

Because the person was on their phone when the incident happened, did they hear the whole interaction? Is it at all possible for a bystander to misinterpret what they are seeing? The answer is yes.

Lol! Do you even read your own posts? "My scenario" is based on an eye witness account, all you have is your gut feeling of the "most likely" scenario. Sorry totes, that's not good enough for the courts.

I enjoyed the laughs and the dismissing of multiple witnesses with zero evidence to back up any claims.



There is much more than that though in the last days of hypocrisy shown here. Eye witnesses backing up what he wants = all the evidence he needs. Eye witnesses stating something he doesn't like = Can't believe what those eye witnesses are saying.

Goes to great lengths to state that the robbery didn't happen. When confronted with undeniable evidence it did happen from every source out there, turtles up to state the robbery doesn't mean anything. When posters point out the state of mind a person is going to be in after using physical violence during a robbery, McShame Hurls insults and epitaphs about such info is bullshit to be used by other posters, isn't relevant to the case, or can't be used in court of law. Despite this actually is evidence that would be used in the case as the confrontation between Wilson and Brown was based specifically upon Brown's robbery and actions thereof.
 

cubby1223

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Lol! Do you even read your own posts? "My scenario" is based on an eye witness account, all you have is your gut feeling of the "most likely" scenario. Sorry totes, that's not good enough for the courts.

I enjoyed the laughs and the dismissing of multiple witnesses with zero evidence to back up any claims.

I hope it's based on eye witness accounts. Because it certainly ain't based on hard factual evidence which you've tried so hard the past couple days to deny the existence of.

I'm going to say this not to insult you but to inform you. You have an issue with your memory. I've watched several family members who as they have gotten older have lost their memory. And with the job I have, I occasionally help people with memory issues work their computers. They all have defensive mechanisms that they don't even realize they are engaging in, primarily because most people naturally want to hide internal issues, see it as a shame if it were revealed. I think that's what your insults are, a mechanism to push people away, so they don't get to see what is really going on. I cannot even begin to count the number of times you seemingly make stuff up on the fly to insult other users with. You've done it to me several times, invented facts about me that were completely fabricated, and used them as a basis to insult me.

I fully expect you to tell me to go fuck myself. Just promise this - when someone whom you do trust, tells you the exact same thing as I am, listen to them... don't be the same asshole as you are to everyone on this forum.

The surveillance video of Brown robbing the convenient store was not some obscure tidbit, it was a very significant topic of discussion, and I think if you look back at this thread, you too were a part of the discussion on the video. It's not something to be easily forgotten. And, if forgotten, it's not something to pile insult after insult after insult onto others in deep instance that it doesn't exist because you have no memory of it existing. You are most certainly out of line.

That is the conservative brain defect, that uncontrollable desire to help other people on an individual basis in the hopes that doing so will magically fix the issues in our own lives.
 

ivwshane

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I'll just leave this little bit of quotations for larfs.







There is much more than that though in the last days of hypocrisy shown here. Eye witnesses backing up what he wants = all the evidence he needs. Eye witnesses stating something he doesn't like = Can't believe what those eye witnesses are saying.

Goes to great lengths to state that the robbery didn't happen. When confronted with undeniable evidence it did happen from every source out there, turtles up to state the robbery doesn't mean anything. When posters point out the state of mind a person is going to be in after using physical violence during a robbery, McShame Hurls insults and epitaphs about such info is bullshit to be used by other posters, isn't relevant to the case, or can't be used in court of law. Despite this actually is evidence that would be used in the case as the confrontation between Wilson and Brown was based specifically upon Brown's robbery and actions thereof.

So a calm brown walking out of the store is enough to prove that brown was in a mental state that caused him to attack an officer. Sorry, you can make that claim but it wouldn't hold up.
 

Blanky

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How is ivwshane the only person here who doesn't think that robbing a store and shoving the clerk says something about a person?
 

ivwshane

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Yes and I'm going to tell you this and I mean this not as an insult: your reading comprehension sucks. First off, my comment about the store incedent was that we dont know the details, we only know what we saw on tape. At the time I also wasn't aware of any official robbery being declared, official as in not an allegation made by a bystander. I was then called out on that and I looked it up where I found that dorian did admit that brown stole the cigars (which negates the need for any offical declaration of a robbery).

You and others continued to attack me when my original post had nothing to do with any claims about robbery or state of mind like others are doing which are based in speculation.

So feel free to continue, I'll just continue laughing at you guys for getting so riled up;)

I hope it's based on eye witness accounts. Because it certainly ain't based on hard factual evidence which you've tried so hard the past couple days to deny the existence of.

I'm going to say this not to insult you but to inform you. You have an issue with your memory. I've watched several family members who as they have gotten older have lost their memory. And with the job I have, I occasionally help people with memory issues work their computers. They all have defensive mechanisms that they don't even realize they are engaging in, primarily because most people naturally want to hide internal issues, see it as a shame if it were revealed. I think that's what your insults are, a mechanism to push people away, so they don't get to see what is really going on. I cannot even begin to count the number of times you seemingly make stuff up on the fly to insult other users with. You've done it to me several times, invented facts about me that were completely fabricated, and used them as a basis to insult me.

I fully expect you to tell me to go fuck myself. Just promise this - when someone whom you do trust, tells you the exact same thing as I am, listen to them... don't be the same asshole as you are to everyone on this forum.

The surveillance video of Brown robbing the convenient store was not some obscure tidbit, it was a very significant topic of discussion, and I think if you look back at this thread, you too were a part of the discussion on the video. It's not something to be easily forgotten. And, if forgotten, it's not something to pile insult after insult after insult onto others in deep instance that it doesn't exist because you have no memory of it existing. You are most certainly out of line.

That is the conservative brain defect, that uncontrollable desire to help other people on an individual basis in the hopes that doing so will magically fix the issues in our own lives.
 

ivwshane

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How is ivwshane the only person here who doesn't think that robbing a store and shoving the clerk says something about a person?

Another poster, another straw man.

Nothing in the video can be used to prove browns state of mind, certainly not what most people are claiming, it's pure speculation, plain and simple.
 

HumblePie

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So a calm brown walking out of the store is enough to prove that brown was in a mental state that caused him to attack an officer. Sorry, you can make that claim but it wouldn't hold up.

Walking out of the store calmly? Did you not watch the video and the evidence showing him shoving a person out of his way as well as turning back to yell and curse at the person while making threats? That is your definition of calmly walking out of a store?
 

HumblePie

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Another poster, another straw man.

Nothing in the video can be used to prove browns state of mind, certainly not what most people are claiming, it's pure speculation, plain and simple.

Yes it does matter. Under heresay rules his state of mind due to the robbery shortly before officer Wilson found him would certainly be admissible in a court of law even if the defendant isn't able to declare his state of mind at the time. Because it was a violent and startlingly incident, his actions would be a direct indication to his current mental state. Especially as Brown was found to have impaired judgement at the time due to a high level of drug usage shortly before as well. Thus it is evidence. On top of that, it's Mens Rea because the crime Brown committed prior to officer Wilson finding him was an intended crime by him and the crime was not something done due to other factors other than Brown's direct attempt to commit said crime. It provide a state of mind and a motive for the prosecution to argue why Brown would have attacked Wilson first.
 
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Svnla

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Walking out of the store calmly? Did you not watch the video and the evidence showing him shoving a person out of his way as well as turning back to yell and curse at the person while making threats? That is your definition of calmly walking out of a store?

I think there are two different universes. One is for normal people like us (with normal vision and reasoning) and one for him and people like him. :D

LOL @ Brown as calm at the C store. Somebody needs some new eyes glasses.
 

Blanky

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Yes and I'm going to tell you this and I mean this not as an insult: your reading comprehension sucks. First off, my comment about the store incedent was that we dont know the details, we only know what we saw on tape. At the time I also wasn't aware of any official robbery being declared, official as in not an allegation made by a bystander. I was then called out on that and I looked it up where I found that dorian did admit that brown stole the cigars (which negates the need for any offical declaration of a robbery).

You and others continued to attack me when my original post had nothing to do with any claims about robbery or state of mind like others are doing which are based in speculation.

So feel free to continue, I'll just continue laughing at you guys for getting so riled up;)
You're foaming at the mouth.
 

ivwshane

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Yes it does matter. Under heresay rules his state of mind due to the robbery shortly before officer Wilson found him would certainly be admissible in a court of law even if the defendant isn't able to declare his state of mind at the time. Because it was a violent and startlingly incident, his actions would be a direct indication to his current mental state. Especially as Brown was found to have impaired judgement at the time due to a high level of drug usage shortly before as well. Thus it is evidence. On top of that, it's Mens Rea because the crime Brown committed prior to officer Wilson finding him was an intended crime by him and the crime was not something done due to other factors other than Brown's direct attempt to commit said crime. It provide a state of mind and a motive for the prosecution to argue why Brown would have attacked Wilson first.

Nope, sorry it doesn't work that way. What you are referring to only applies to the crime he committed, you can't then apply that to a non related incident. And it certainly can't be used when you have a witness with a conflicting story and witnesses that back up that story.


http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/crime-mental-state-defendant-29951.html
 

ivwshane

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Walking out of the store calmly? Did you not watch the video and the evidence showing him shoving a person out of his way as well as turning back to yell and curse at the person while making threats? That is your definition of calmly walking out of a store?

Yes, I watched a video and in that video I can see a store clerk physically trying to block brown. Do you know what was said before, during, and after the incedent between brown and the clerk? No you don't and you make assumptions to fill in the blanks. Your assumptions are just as invalid as mine unless there is evidence to corroborate your claim, do you have that evidence?
 

CZroe

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Yes, I watched a video and in that video I can see a store clerk physically trying to block brown. Do you know what was said before, during, and after the incedent between brown and the clerk? No you don't and you make assumptions to fill in the blanks. Your assumptions are just as invalid as mine unless there is evidence to corroborate your claim, do you have that evidence?

You dismiss the video's content as if they weren't "details" (how is it not?!) and then ask for inane idiotic irrelevant details. I don't even know what *I* said before, during, and after and it certainly wasn't relevant. Last time I checked, I didn't need frickin' transcripts to arrest shoplifters, which is my job. The video speaks far more than that. Why do you think their words were so important? His accomplice ADMITTED it. Oh, also, it was a customer who reported the robbery and not the shop owner. There are the "eye witness" "details" you want so badly. Now you have video and eye witness testimony to the crime, so how are you going to evade THAT and continue dismissing the video?!
 
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ivwshane

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You dismiss the video's content as if they weren't "details" (how is it not?!) and then ask for inane idiotic irrelevant details. I don't even know what *I* said before, during, and after and it certainly wasn't relevant. Last time I checked, I didn't need frickin' transcripts to arrest shoplifters, which is my job. The video speaks far more than that. Why do you think their words were so important? His accomplice ADMITTED it. Oh, also, it was a customer who reported the robbery and not the shop owner. There are the "eye witness" "details" you want so badly. Now you have video and eye witness testimony to the crime, so how are you going to evade THAT and continue dismissing the video?!

Your reading comprehension sucks. I'm guessing it's because you were home schooled or possibly because you thought it would be better to get a GED. Well, you can memorize facts but you can't memorize skills;)

Stay stupid ;)
 

CZroe

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Your reading comprehension sucks. I'm guessing it's because you were home schooled or possibly because you thought it would be better to get a GED. Well, you can memorize facts but you can't memorize skills;)

Stay stupid ;)
"Your reading comprehension sucks"
That's how you end every thread of this discussion where you get backed into a corner.

Did you or did you not dismiss it for not having enough details and ask if we knew what was said before, during, and after to make a point about what we don't know? Did I or did I not completely destroy that stupid idiotic logic? You were trying to say that he calmly left and he clearly did NOT leave calmly. He stole and had a confrontation as he left. Nothing changes that.

I just had three shoplifters arrested with my *silent* video three days ago. The first one got out and took off driving the wrong way down a one-way street. The police did not say "Yeah, but you don't know what they said before, during, or after the shoplifting, so we're just going to have to assume that they left calmly and ignore your video."
 
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ivwshane

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Lol! They committed a crime, no state of mind needs to be known. People are claiming browns state of mind led him to attack wilson. In order to claim his state of mind would cause him to attack wilson you would have to know what his state of mind was. You don't have that info so you can't make any claim regarding his state of mind after the robbery happened.

It's really not a hard concept to understand but apparently you guys don't get it.
 

CZroe

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Lol! They committed a crime, no state of mind needs to be known. People are claiming browns state of mind led him to attack wilson. In order to claim his state of mind would cause him to attack wilson you would have to know what his state of mind was. You don't have that info so you can't make any claim regarding his state of mind after the robbery happened.

It's really not a hard concept to understand but apparently you guys don't get it.

YOU don't get it. His state of mind was his state of mind after having just robbed and shoved a convenience store clerk, which *IS* a crime. His state of mind is whatever state of mind you would have after such an event- DUH. I can make that claim and I do. Only an idiot would argue otherwise or imply that there is some sort of further distinction that needs to be made into that state.

Hello, ivwshane.
 

ivwshane

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YOU don't get it. His state of mind was his state of mind after having just robbed and shoved a convenience store clerk, which *IS* a crime. His state of mind is whatever state of mind you would have after such an event- DUH. I can make that claim and I do. Only an idiot would argue otherwise or imply that there is some sort of further distinction that needs to be made into that state.

Hello, ivwshane.

Lol! You getting mad bro?


Again, unless you know all the details of what took place in the store and afterwards then anything you think about his state of mind is pure speculation. The fact that you can't understand this makes you an idiot;)
 

Blanky

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Lol! Says the guys whose posts deal almost exclusively with topics dealing with black people;)
Quoted for stupid: since my registration date I have posted 15 times in this thread. You have posted 80.

In fact, 8% of my posts since then are in this thread. 22% of yours are.

You mad? Those pesky facts get you again. You are emotionally invested in this topic to a profound degree. You should step aside and do something else for a bit.
 
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waggy

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Yes, I watched a video and in that video I can see a store clerk physically trying to block brown. Do you know what was said before, during, and after the incedent between brown and the clerk? No you don't and you make assumptions to fill in the blanks. Your assumptions are just as invalid as mine unless there is evidence to corroborate your claim, do you have that evidence?

lol wow what a stretch.
 

waggy

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Quoted for stupid: since my registration date I have posted 15 times in this thread. You have posted 80.

In fact, 8% of my posts since then are in this thread. 22% of yours are.

You mad? Those pesky facts get you again. You are emotionally invested in this topic to a profound degree. You should step aside and do something else for a bit.


its ivwshane. when backed into a corner he calls them racist.