Mississippi girl is burned alive.

[Matt1970]

No excuse for this, obviously, but with figuring in violent video games, and the political fighting on TV and with TV ads 24/7, you have to wonder what the kids of today think about adults and wonder about their own future?
This type of violence is not normal, but neither is the way political candidates dehumanize each other and the masses of money spent to do that while poor people go homeless and hungry.
Then add in the video games so realistic with total disregard for life.
No wonder the kids, and the adults as well, are so screwed up today.

Then they make sure everyone has access to guns and lethal weapons, not to mention the new trend with cops shooting first and asking questions later.
With no accountability afterwards.

It's hard enough for the sane people to remain so, let alone those already with a screw loose. Or a young mind that thinks violence is business as usual.
And the only concern is thinking up new more inspirational ways to kill.

When I was in England, all the news was about the thrill killings going on.
Groups of teens picking at random their victim and stabbing the helpless victim to death.
One young girl was found stabbed in the elevator to her apartment.

Then take religion. The very thing that was suppose to promote morals and humanity.
Except today religion is more often used to promote hate, or justify hate, and encourage hate.

Welcome to the future.

Yep, this was clearly about guns and religion.

 

[Mursilis]

AIs this a politically correct solution? Obviously not. Would it be nearly 100% effective in stopping these sorts of barbaric, violent crimes? I think so. And only the mad dogs commiting these horrific crimes will be subject to this fate. Then real justice will finally be served for the victims and their families.

Then think again. The deterrent effect of capital punishment is minimal, from all the studies I've seen. If you or anyone else has information to the contrary, I'd be happy to see it.

 

[z1ggy]

Then think again. The deterrent effect of capital punishment is minimal, from all the studies I've seen. If you or anyone else has information to the contrary, I'd be happy to see it.

That's probably because the death penalty consists of relaxing little nap before you slowly fade to death. That's the death people receive even though they may have viciously murdered and tortured people many years in the past. Yeah, that'll really prevent the crazies from killing more.

In all honestly, truly nutty folks will always kill people no matter what the consequences were. But in today's PC world filled with uppity soccer moms, we will never see public hangings or other more "extreme" methods of killing people on death row, to try and deter others from doing the same.

 

[Mursilis]

That's probably because the death penalty consists of relaxing little nap before you slowly fade to death. That's the death people receive even though they may have viciously murdered and tortured people many years in the past. Yeah, that'll really prevent the crazies from killing more.

In all honestly, truly nutty folks will always kill people no matter what the consequences were. But in today's PC world filled with uppity soccer moms, we will never see public hangings or other more "extreme" methods of killing people on death row, to try and deter others from doing the same.

At least you're starting to get it. It's hard for a lot of non-murderous people to understand, but a lot of violent criminals are the long-term-thinking, planning-for-the-future types. Harsh penalties are not deterrents.

 

[PokerGuy]

What do you propose to do about people that were falsely convicted? They would be executed for a crime they didn't commit.

4% of people on death row are innocent. Even with all the appeals with death sentences, multiple innocent people have been put to death in the US.

What to you propose to do about this? Shrug it off and say its OK?

I don't doubt that innocent people have in fact been executed, considering the fact that people on death row have been exonerated, but I've never seen a documented case where someone was actually determined to be innocent of the crime after they were executed. Is there such a case?

 

[PokerGuy]

That crime is hard to fathom, anyone capable of that is obviously a dangerous animal that needs to be permanently removed from the world asap.

Really disturbing....

 

[Kushina]

I don't think anyone likes torture, a torturous and scary death might prevent those type of people from committing crimes.

I.e you get tortured for a while, perhaps released depending on the crime, perhaps killed, perhaps just tortured for who knows how long.

Death is an easy let off, and prison seems like a nicer place to live then where alot of these people come from.

 

[soulcougher73]

A humane execution after a lengthy stay in prison at taxpayer expense is no longer an acceptable punishment for the extremely horrific nature of the evil crimes these subhuman animals keep right on committing.

Not only is the criminal justice system completely and utterly failing to reform these soulless, violent criminals, it is failing the hapless victims and their families a thousand times more in these despicable cases.

The first thing that should be done upon conviction of a heinous crime like rape and murder is physical castration. Then, the emasculated convicts ultimate fate should be decided by the victims family. If they decide he should die horribly just like their loved one did, then so be it, and let it be done. And if they are for some reason too afraid or intimidated to decide the proper punishments, then the rule should be the killer automatically receives the same horrible fate he dealt to the innocent victim.

And it might be a further deterrent if anyone who wished to personally witness his death could publicly attend it. As long as they didn't video record it and post it later to gloat.

This is the only deterrent I can think of that might actually make a subhuman animal stop to think about what they are fixing to do before they commit evil crimes in the first place.

Is this a politically correct solution? Obviously not. Would it be nearly 100% effective in stopping these sorts of barbaric, violent crimes? I think so. And only the mad dogs commiting these horrific crimes will be subject to this fate. Then real justice will finally be served for the victims and their families.

I'd be ok with this. :thumbsup: I dont think it would stop nearly 100% though, but even a 50% reduction is good enough for me, plus "real" justice was served. Not the pansy prison system on the tax payers dime crap

 

[Mursilis]

I don't doubt that innocent people have in fact been executed, considering the fact that people on death row have been exonerated, but I've never seen a documented case where someone was actually determined to be innocent of the crime after they were executed. Is there such a case?

The Cameron Willingham case in Texas (where else?) is deeply disturbing. Off the top of my head, that's the best case I can remember of a convict who was actually executed and was very likely innocent.

 

[PokerGuy]

Harsh penalties are not deterrents.

I don't think that's always true. For some people/crimes/situations they are not deterrents, but for others they might be. For crimes like the one in the OP, I don't think the penalty matters at all. The kind of animal that does something like that is obviously not thinking about punishment.

The death penalty might itself not be a great deterrent, but it certainly makes sure that particular criminal will not victimize anyone else in the future.

 

[PricklyPete]

For the love of god...I can't imagine what her family is going through and what a horrid way to die. If I were her father, I would be full of rage.

That drawn and quartered story was truly messed up. Humanity is truly embarrassing.

 

[PokerGuy]

The Cameron Willingham case in Texas (where else?) is deeply disturbing. Off the top of my head, that's the best case I can remember of a convict who was actually executed and was very likely innocent.

That's a case where it's possible (even likely?) the guy was innocent, but it was not conclusively proven, and the prosecutors are still convinced of his guilt. Have there been any documented cases where the convicted (executed) person was proven to be innocent?

 

[SlickSnake]

That's pretty much what you were doing in your post.

If you want retributive justice because you think it provides some sort of closure for the victim's family, I guess I understand. Most of your post sounds like the revenge fantasy of a sick mind.

Again, no actual comments about the topic, just another thread derailing post aimed at my comments.

And you are wrong, I was commenting directly on the topic in my first post, and I was also commenting and elaborating on the quoted part by Jaskalas

And execute them.

Violent people and violent crime are completely out of control in this society, and around the world, for that matter.

The revolving door called parole in the criminal injustice system for violent offenders is a huge part of the problem.

Trepanation of some sort and castration upon conviction of a heinous violent crime would certainly be a deterrent to violent criminals if they know when they get caught they are going to be emasculated and rendered into a passive, easily managed vegetable.

And an eye for an eye punishment for heinous violent crimes should also be completely acceptable under the circumstances. Anything less is grossly inadequate and absurd when weighed against the unbelievable levels of violence we are talking about here. Do you honestly think a serial killer or a mass murderer is going to be magically reformed using religion and the good book as a guide? How has that passive, forgiving religious response worked out for society so far against violent criminals? Not so good, huh.

I also find it ridiculous that anyone with a sense of actual justice for these injured and murdered victims would even presume to think otherwise. What is happening with violent criminals and their victims is not some BS liberal philosophy or political science debate in college. Violent criminals are out there, stalking and preying on innocent victims, and they obviously couldn't care less about all the politically correct liberal debate bunk concerning their treatment in jail when they get finally get caught. They already know it's going to be a cushy jail sentence, and maybe even parole, so there is almost a zero deterrent value to get locked up, otherwise, they wouldn't be doing violent crimes. I mean really, why is that so hard for so many to understand?

Currently, the threat of jail will not stop a drug crazed carjacker who don't give a crap about human life from shooting you in the head and killing you so they can use your stolen car to rob a liquor store and kill a few more people while doing it.

Instead, what if they know they face trepanation and castration for murder when they get caught. Then, they might be a little more friendly when they carjack you, and let you go, and not kill all those people needlessly in the liquor store when they rob it.

There needs to be a sufficient enough deterrent when they get caught and jailed to force them to reevaluate their possibly violent actions before hand, and clearly the current jail system and punishments isn't it and it isn't working.

 

[highland145]

For the love of god...I can't imagine what her family is going through and what a horrid way to die. If I were her father, I would be full of rage.

That drawn and quartered story was truly messed up. Humanity is truly embarrassing.

Would you draw and quarter someone if they did to your child what happened in the OP?

I would.

 

[PokerGuy]

If I were her father, I would be full of rage.

Yep, I can't even imagine the kind of anger/rage/frustration that has to exist with those who knew/loved her.

 

[SlickSnake]

I'd be ok with this. :thumbsup: I dont think it would stop nearly 100% though, but even a 50% reduction is good enough for me, plus "real" justice was served. Not the pansy prison system on the tax payers dime crap

I believe that when the criminals are aware of the dire consequences of their actions when caught and convicted of a violent crime would create a substantial reduction in the levels of violence of these violent crimes constantly taking place.

I would much rather be mugged by a friendly mugger truly afraid of the consequences of going to prison, than be thoughtlessly killed by a violent mugger who is out on parole and don't give a crap if he is caught and locked up for the 10th time.

 

[justoh]

That's a case where it's possible (even likely?) the guy was innocent, but it was not conclusively proven, and the prosecutors are still convinced of his guilt. Have there been any documented cases where the convicted (executed) person was proven to be innocent?

How about this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Tafero

Not 100% conclusive, I suppose.

There are a few others listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

I don't think wrongful conviction is the only consideration when it comes to capital punishment, or even the most important one. Neither is deterrence the only consideration when it comes to the criminal justice system.

edit: for sicksnake's masturbatory pleasure:

Tafero was to be executed by electrocution. The machine, dubbed "Old Sparky", malfunctioned, causing six-inch flames to shoot out of Tafero's head. A member of the execution team had used a synthetic sponge rather than a sea sponge, which is necessary to provide greater conductivity and a quick death. In all, three jolts of electricity were required to execute Tafero, a process that took seven minutes.[8] Prison inmates later claimed that 'Old Sparky' was 'fixed' and tampered with to make Tafero's execution more like torture. One close inmate friend of Tafero later said he could smell the burning flesh of his friend for days after.

 

[SlickSnake]

edit: for sicksnake's masturbatory pleasure:

GTFO prick.

You sure are on the defensive.

Are you trying to tell us something, SON?

 

[PricklyPete]

Would you draw and quarter someone if they did to your child what happened in the OP?

I would.

It is hard to imagine doing that to anyone...but the thought of the torture your daughter went through being burned to death like that makes it much palatable.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Again, no actual comments about the topic, just another thread derailing post aimed at my comments.

And you are wrong, I was commenting directly on the topic in my first post, and I was also commenting and elaborating on the quoted part by Jaskalas Violent people and violent crime are completely out of control in this society, and around the world, for that matter.

The post is about a girl who died a horrible death. You decided to get on a stump and make a speech about a fantasy system of justice that exists only in your head, and that is generally at odds with everything western society stands for today.

You brought rape into the thread. While it's not impossible that the case involves rape, it's also not impossible that it involves suicide. Do you see how that works? Neither assumption is supported by the available information so far.

Historically, crime is not particularly out of control. There are, however some disgusting people out there.

 

[SlickSnake]

Would you draw and quarter someone if they did to your child what happened in the OP?

I would.

Well, I wouldn't do it myself, but the punishment would seem just in this case. And many, many others. Sorry to burst your liberal bubbles about that, all you violent criminal loving liberal airheads out there.

And don't you think a severe punishment like that when they get convicted would be a significant deterrent even to a half crazy subhuman animal who is thinking about a violent, murderous crime beforehand?

Of course it would be.

 

[alzan]

Well, I wouldn't do it myself, but the punishment would seem just in this case. And many, many others. Sorry to burst your liberal bubbles about that, all you violent criminal loving liberal airheads out there.

And don't you think a severe punishment like that when they get convicted would be a significant deterrent even to a half crazy subhuman animal who is thinking about a violent, murderous crime beforehand?

Of course it would be.

That's right, it's all because of "violent criminal loving liberal airheads".

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Find the perp(s), try the perp(s), if found guilty, execute the perp(s).
Do it expeditiously and do it fairly, but do it.
There is no coming back from committing a crime like this, you've given up your place as a member of a civilized society.

And for the record (yet again), I am one of those tree-hugging, equal rights wanting, bleeding heart liberals.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I don't doubt that innocent people have in fact been executed, considering the fact that people on death row have been exonerated, but I've never seen a documented case where someone was actually determined to be innocent of the crime after they were executed. Is there such a case?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution#United_States

This lists few. Seems like once dead, no one wants to bring it up in case they were innocent.

 

[SlickSnake]

That's right, it's all because of "violent criminal loving liberal airheads".

Do you think the average diehard conservative who is tough on crime and harsh punishment for violent criminals would tend to agree or disagree with me?

Do you think the average diehard liberal who is weak on crime and favors parole and rehabilitation for violent criminals would tend to agree or disagree with me?

Obviously, anyone of either camp can also freely choose to split hairs on all the violent crime issues and fall into the margins. But we are where we are today because even the worst violent career criminals are now seen as victims themselves, which then belittles and demeans the true victims of their horrible crimes and that makes the victims painful suffering and deaths all most an after thought, as far as the current liberal justice system goes. And it is most certainly an overly liberal, violent criminal coddling, politically correct mindset that got us to this point.