Mississippi down to one abortion clinic

[Victorian Gray]

Benjamin Franklins grandfather (or was it his great grandfather) was a judge during some of the Salem witch trials. Towards the end of this life he noted how he had changed his mind of trials. The young girls who did the accusing were vindictive and that there were no witches. He expressed regret at how the trials ended.

How many examples do you want of women being vindictive and lying to get their way?

Maybe a few examples of men falsely accused of rape who spent a decade in prison?

On the topic of abortion women are playing the victim. That somehow protecting the life of a child infringes on her right to kill said child.

Ooohhh those nasty wimmins. They're out to get me. Save me from the nasty wimmins.

You should consider moving to a country with similar enlightened views of women. Maybe Saudi Arabia?

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's okay to murder your baby so long as the baby's existence isn't your "fault".

Apparently.

 

[nehalem256]

So in these cases abortion is ok?

There would seem to be a difference between inviting someone into your house and shooting them, and shooting someone who breaks into it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

There would seem to be a difference between inviting someone into your house and shooting them, and shooting someone who breaks into it.

I wonder, have you ever made a coherent statement in your life?

 

[fskimospy]

There would seem to be a difference between inviting someone into your house and shooting them, and shooting someone who breaks into it.

No, it would be the difference between inviting someone into your house and shooting them and shooting someone in your house because an entirely unrelated person broke in.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Isn't it amazing how conservatives have so much compassion for unborn children carried by poor single mothers, but then couldn't give a shit about the child once it's born? Once they force the mother to carry the child to term, they'll then ridicule the mother for having a child she cant afford, deny her food assistance, and congratulate themselves for their own moral supremacy.

 

[nehalem256]

Isn't it amazing how conservatives have so much compassion for unborn children carried by poor single mothers, but then couldn't give a shit about the child once it's born? Once they force the mother to carry the child to term, they'll then ridicule the mother for having a child she cant afford, deny her food assistance, and congratulate themselves for their own moral supremacy.

Isn't it funny that liberals say that having a child is entirely a woman's choice, but then refuse to hold a woman responsible for making that choice after the child is born?

 

[SMOGZINN]

You liberals seem to confuse responsibility with punishment.

You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means. Getting an abortion is the responsible thing for a woman to do when she has an unwanted pregnancy. It is conservatives (women haters) that want to punish her that force her to do the irresponsible thing in order to teach her her place.

 

[alzan]

Everyone in this thread is missing the point.

The intent of the Mississippi law isn't to restrict abortions; that CANNOT be the real intent of the law, because that would make the law unconstitutional.

No, the Mississippi legislature has continually informed us that the intent of the law is to protect the health of pregnant women. Obviously, doctors at abortion clinics need to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals because it's completely clear that no hospital will admit a woman whose abortion leads to complications unless her primary physician has admitting privileges. How can anyone question that logic?

So any arguments that the expected result of this law - that the number of abortions will NOT go down, yet the number of woman who suffer serious medical complications and death will go up because their only viable option is to receive back-alley abortions - is "justice" for murder are totally illogical. Because, again, the purpose of the law is to protect the lives of pregnant women, NOT TO PREVENT ABORTIONS.

Does anyone see the rich irony in this? Mississippi insists it's trying to protect the lives and health of pregnant women, yet the law will surely kill pregnant women and damage their health.

Clearly, those principled Mississippi legislators will abandon this law once they see all of the damage it's causing to health. Because it's the health of pregnant women that's their paramount concern.

That describes 99% of AT(PN) threads 😉

 

[shortylickens]

One LEGAL abortion clinic.


All they did was push it to the alleys, where its dirty and dangerous.

They solve nothing.


Ditto prostitution and marijuana.

 

[nehalem256]

You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means. Getting an abortion is the responsible thing for a woman to do when she has an unwanted pregnancy. It is conservatives (women haters) that want to punish her that force her to do the irresponsible thing in order to teach her her place.

So why don't we see liberals calling out women for making the irresponsible choice to have children they cannot feed?:hmm:

 

[Texashiker]

Getting an abortion is the responsible thing for a woman to do when she has an unwanted pregnancy.

When you are short of money till the month walking out on a restaurant bill is ok?

Avoiding the bill is not being responsible.

Not going out to eat in the first place is the responsible thing to do.

 

[CitizenKain]

So Texashiker is a deadbeat dad that beat his ex-wife, then tried to get out of child support payments. That is what he is saying here.

It goes a long ways to explain why you think the way you do, you were born defective.

 

[MrPickins]

So why don't we see liberals calling out women for making the irresponsible choice to have children they cannot feed?:hmm:

When you are short of money till the month walking out on a restaurant bill is ok?

Avoiding the bill is not being responsible.

Not going out to eat in the first place is the responsible thing to do.

Damn straight, because Lord knows, mistakes never happen. :whiste:

 

[Daverino]

So why don't we see liberals calling out women for making the irresponsible choice to have children they cannot feed?:hmm:

Like, y'know, providing Medicaid expansion so impoverished and low-income women can have access to birth control, prenatal care, and healthcare for themselves after a child is born?

Yeah, why didn't the liberals do that! Those fucking hypocrites. . . . oh wait.

They DID do that and the conservative state government of MI said fuck that! Let the poor people suffer without healthcare. It's their punishment for being poor. I swear to God Nehalem if you ever get two brain cells in your skull to fire off at once your head would explode.

 

[shira]

Isn't it funny that liberals say that having a child is entirely a woman's choice, but then refuse to hold a woman responsible for making that choice after the child is born?

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

On the one hand, you imply that a human life is so precious that a woman who gets pregnant after consensual sex should not be allowed to abort it. In other words, you're insisting that a human life is more important than the freedom of choice of the woman over her own body and her own future.

But then you insist that the woman - forced to bring the child to term - be "responsible." Which we can only assume to mean to struggle to raise the child in poverty, perhaps with inadequate food and shelter and clothing. In other words, you are insisting that "responsibility" on the part of the mother is more important than the life and welfare of the child.

Please explain to us how in your system of rules the child went from being of ultimate importance one day to being of secondary importance the next day.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Isn't it funny that liberals say that having a child is entirely a woman's choice, but then refuse to hold a woman responsible for making that choice after the child is born?

Do tell, what exactly do you mean by "holding a woman responsible"? Based on your posting history, I'm going to assume your idea of responsibility is forcing the woman to have the child so she is forced to suffer for her poor choices, which in turn causes the child to suffer, because a deeply ingrained facet of the conservative psychology is NEEDING to see people suffer for their poor choices so you can feel better about your own choices or circumstances. You don't actually give a shit about the child. What really bothers you is seeing someone get "off the hook" so to speak for a poor choice. Makes it more difficult for you to look down your nose at them.

 

[Texashiker]

You understand that shutting down ALL the abortion clinics means that women who have been raped won't have the opportunity to get the rape pregnancy aborted anymore, correct? Do you think it's reasonable to shut down all abortion clinics to limit the accessibility for women who get pregnant irresponsibly at the expense of rape victims now being required to carry pregnancies to term due to the lack of abortion providers?

I do not have answers to those questions.

I am trying to be honest. An honest question deserves an honest answer, and all of your questions are very good ones.

No one wants to see people getting abortions anymore than we want to accept that there is still rape in our society.

As much as I wish I could agree with your statement, I feel that certain groups push abortion with no remorse. That it is a womans right to get an abortion.

Some feminist would love to see tax payer funded abortions. Abortions on demand, free to the woman and with no questions asked. To ask for tax payer funded abortions is a tab bit far. Tax payers should not be on the hook for someones irresponsibility.

Rape and abortion are usually a choice. If one can be prevented then so can the other.

 

[SMOGZINN]

When you are short of money till the month walking out on a restaurant bill is ok?

Avoiding the bill is not being responsible.

Not going out to eat in the first place is the responsible thing to do.

So then you admit that what you want is to punish the woman for having sex because you see having sex as similar to eating at a restaurant and not being able to pay the bill.

Because this analogy only really works if you think that women intended to have incurred a bill. But they don't. If they had known they would get pregnant they would not have had sex that night. No woman WANTS an abortion. It is expensive and painful. They do it because they think it is the responsible thing to do. They are paying the bill. You just don't think that it is enough of a punishment.

 

[Incorruptible]

I wonder, have you ever made a coherent statement in your life?

The same can be asked of you.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

As much as I wish I could agree with your statement, I feel that certain groups push abortion with no remorse. That it is a womans right to get an abortion.

Just because something is a right does not mean we want to see it exercised. I would argue that it's my right to shoot an attacker who attempts to do me harm; does that mean I want to be attacked so that I have an opportunity to use my rights to defend myself? No, of course not; I'd be much happier never being put in that situation to begin with. But knowing the right exists and I can take advantage of it if I absolutely have to is comforting.

Similarly, most everyone I know who supports abortion similarly wishes to see it used as infrequently as possible, through better access to contraception and responsibility on behalf of people having consensual sex. But knowing that the right exists as a fallback when all other measures have failed is a comfort. Painting all abortion supporters as people who want to see abortion used all the time and funded by taxpayers is disingenuous at best; it makes us sound like we're trying to take all your money and start baby slaughtering stations. I can confidently say that no one worth listening to has suggested anything remotely as draconian as you seem to imply.

Rape and abortion are usually a choice. If one can be prevented then so can the other.

I don't understand what this statement means. Rape is not a choice on behalf of the person getting raped, and despite laws explicitly outlawing rape, it still happens. We haven't been able to prevent rape; we likely NEVER will be able to prevent rape. How does that square with your assertion that both rape and abortion can be prevented?

 

[Thebobo]

Abortion is murder. A murderer dying in the process of committing murder is justice.

Justice is a good thing.

Not according to the supreme court

 

[Texashiker]

So then you admit that what you want is to punish the woman for having sex because you see having sex as similar to eating at a restaurant and not being able to pay the bill.

I do not care if a woman gets nailed by every guy in town along with the guys wife at the same time.

Have anal, her on top, him on top, MF, MMF, MMMF, FFM, FFFM, FF, FFF, reverse cowboy, upload vids to xvideos, xhamster, motherless, steam live,,,, I do not care.

The only thing I expect, as with everything else in life is to take responsibility for your actions.

If you use electricity, pay the bill.

If you use water, pay the bill.

If you go out to eat, pay the bill.

If you can not afford to buy a home, do not take out an expensive loan.

If you can not afford to have a child, take precautions.

If you create a child, take responsibility for that child.

Taking responsibility for a child is no different than paying for a meal, paying for electricity, paying a house note, paying your internet bill, paying your cell phone bill.

If you play, expect to pay. It is that simple.

Not according to the supreme court

Do not even try bringing the supreme court into this. They have a long history of human rights violations, everything from slavery to forced sterilization.

When it comes to upholding human rights the supreme court is like a dim light instead of a shining beacon.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Some feminist would love to see tax payer funded abortions. Abortions on demand, free to the woman and with no questions asked. To ask for tax payer funded abortions is a tab bit far. Tax payers should not be on the hook for someones irresponsibility.

There are extremists on both sides of any issue. There are those who use bombs to blow up clinics that happen to also do abortions, killing many pregnant women who were just there for prenatal care.
When we listen to the extremists of either side we all lose.

If one can be prevented then so can the other.

This brings up the fact that the best way to prevent abortions is not to outlaw them, but to promote sex education, safe sex practices, and to provide cheap or free birth control.

 

[SMOGZINN]

If you play, expect to pay. It is that simple.

And why is having an abortion not payment enough for you?