Again, please link to the guide that indicates what ratio of support is needed before it's "appropriate", and what constitutes "time of economic peril" that prevents one from amending the constitution.
Again, please link to the guide that indicates what ratio of support is needed before it's "appropriate", and what constitutes "time of economic peril" that prevents one from amending the constitution.
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Given the lengthy approval process for amendments, yes, there is a guideline: long-held popular beliefs.
Also, given the highly variable nature of public opinion on this issue, and the general trend in which it is heading, constitutional amendments are the only procedural way a shrinking minority can ensure their opinion is the law.
The legislature is supposed to do what the people want, not tell the people what they want. Why is the legislature bringing forward something for which there is no clear and vast mandate of support from the state's citizens? Political advantageousness or convenience? That's hardly defensible.
Strange, I wasn't aware you were so dumb as to be unable to notice opinions.
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This is not even news actually. If this goes on a ballot its going to lose like the other 30-40 times. Most people will not vote to support gay marriage, its just a fact. Unless gay marriage is done through a legislative process it will not ever be.
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Dude if it will ever be accepted or made legal across this country, you and I will long be dead and gone.
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So? I didn't say it would happen in my or your lifetime... and I also didn't say it would have to happen "across the country" at one time.
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child of wonder
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Yes, because, as a resident of Minnesota which currently owns a $51B state debt, I REALLY think NOW is the time we define marriage as between a man and a woman.
If this goes to a vote I'm sure we'll be bombarded by ads from the bigoted Mormons.
If this goes to a vote I'm sure we'll be bombarded by ads from the bigoted Mormons.
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When the majority always gets what it wants its called "mob rule". The whole point of democracy is that the minorities sometimes get what they want while the majority looks the other way. In this case a very vocal hate mongering minority wants to oppress another minority and the question is whether the majority will let them. Obviously whichever party wants their continued support its a question of "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours".
Please be so kind as to provide a link to a source showing that guideline codified anywhere.
Please be so kind as to provide a link to a source showing that guideline codified anywhere.
The legislature is doing exactly what those who voted them into office want them to do. If the voters don't like what they are doing, they can be voted out in the next election. Again, very simple.
Please point me to the section of the constitution specifying how opinions factor into the amendment process, other than the electorate voting (which is going to happen).
So, in summary your argument is "waaaaaaah, I don't like what they're doing, therefore it's not right and must be illegal!". They appear to be following the established process, you just don't like their intent. If enough people do, then it will become law, if not, it won't.
Very rational.
Newsflash for ya. The largest and fastest growing minority population happens to be hispanics. They grow in both number and political clout, and based on the polls I've seen, they don't favor your position.
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If the framers of the constitution wanted amending the constitution to be as easy (or looked at with no additional consideration) as passing a law, they would've made it so. They didn't. Passing a constitutional amendment is a longer and more deliberate process because the framers of the constitution didn't want it to be undertaken cavalierly. Many states also require that any amendments must be approved by two separate sessions of the state legislature. Why was this requirement made? To ensure that the constitution isn't amended on the basis of opinions that change fast and often.
That is not a guideline... it's a description of why the vocal minority is pushing for an amendment.
How can the legislature be doing exactly what those who voted them into office be doing (according to you) in one sentence and then, in the next, there be any question of whether those voters like it?
Please provide a link to a source showing that a majority of Minnesota residents voted their representatives into office because they want a marriage amendment.
My opinion doesn't require constitutional approval.
Whoa there, nelly. I never said what they're doing is or must be illegal.
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Newsflash for ya. America's existing culture and society has influenced hispanics more than hispanics have influenced America's culture and society on this issue.
WEll as I have said before, I have no intention of supporting sissy men who want to produce more sissy boys. We got enough problems as it is with shrinking qualified mates for both men and women. With qualified pools being shrunk by disease, substance abuse, legal issues, and bad credit, the last thing we need is to legalize making young men and women listen to nonsense of how great it is to be gay. You see some of them switching, dressing all raunchy, with these high pitched voices, it just turns your stomach. I seen one lady butched up like a champ with a little one in tow, just don't get it.
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Since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, I'll fill you in: the "queeny" types usually don't seek marriage.
You want a good example of why I just can't stand the gay movement. Here it is...
Don Lemon the CNN Achor, a brother too, came out of the closet. But he said that it was tough because the black community doesn't accept homosexuals. Mostly true. But then he pops this off, he said all they do in the black community is teach the young boys how to be masculine. WTF
What are we suppose to teach them? How to be like a female. I get irked by this mentality that teaching a boy how to be a man or teach a young girl how to be a woman is wrong. Its bullshit. A gay man is not manly, never is, never will be. I don't believe a gay man is good example of being a strong man. I don't view a gay man as much of a man at all. I am tired of hearing that now its wrong to raise children to be true to their natural born gender. They can go to hell.
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The percentage of people who never marry has remained steady for a hundred years and the divorce rates have been steady since the 60s. There are slightly more couples living in "sin" these days, but that's about it. Similarly, over a hundred years ago the average American drank the equivalent of a fifth of whiskey a day and we've always had such social problems.
If gays turn your stomach and society in general disgusts you that's a reason to see a psychologist.
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I always suspected you were an ass, thanks for confirming it. If you don't think any gay men are "manly", you're just stupid... plain and simple. Go to IML (International Mr. Leather) sometime. You'll see lots of men who are more manly than a lot of heterosexual men. Go to just about any area of America and you'll find gay men who, unless they told you they're gay, you'd never suspect are gay.
Meet me in person sometime... and you'll learn a lot about how stupid and naive you are.
LOL
What is manly about a gay man? Huh? I think you missed the first part of the entrance exam of what being manly is all about.
BoberFett
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The problem with a large part of the black community is that they teach boys to be masculine without also teaching them how to be men.
What's worse? Feminized men or overly masculine boys with a chip on their shoulder and a pistol in his pants where his gun should be?
What's worse? Feminized men or overly masculine boys with a chip on their shoulder and a pistol in his pants where his gun should be?
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I think you missed the part during you formative years when the brain develops. You have no idea what "being manly is all about".
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