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[classy]

The problem with a large part of the black community is that they teach boys to be masculine without also teaching them how to be men.

What's worse? Feminized men or overly masculine boys with a chip on their shoulder and a pistol in his pants where his gun should be?

I'll take the overly masculine boys.

Its easier to teach a young man how to live as a man, rather than trying to convince some delusional man that he is a man in the first place.

 

[classy]

I think you missed the part during you formative years when the brain develops. You have no idea what "being manly is all about".

I know exactly what being a man is all about. And all my strength and weaknesses are balanced out by my spouse who is a woman. No man could, should, would, or was ever designed to complete me as a man.

On the contrary my good forum friend, it is not I who is confused about what the totality of being man entails.

 

[classy]

Goodnight and be safe, its time for me perform my manly duties, lol.

 

[Craig234]

You want a good example of why I just can't stand the gay movement. Here it is...

Don Lemon the CNN Achor, a brother too, came out of the closet. But he said that it was tough because the black community doesn't accept homosexuals. Mostly true. But then he pops this off, he said all they do in the black community is teach the young boys how to be masculine. WTF

What are we suppose to teach them? How to be like a female. I get irked by this mentality that teaching a boy how to be a man or teach a young girl how to be a woman is wrong. Its bullshit. A gay man is not manly, never is, never will be. I don't believe a gay man is good example of being a strong man. I don't view a gay man as much of a man at all. I am tired of hearing that now its wrong to raise children to be true to their natural born gender. They can go to hell.

A columnist commented on this, showing the problem with the ignorant like classy:

What got me right in the gut, though, is how Lemon feared being judged harshly by people of his own race.

"It's quite different for an African-American male," Lemon was quoted as saying in the New York Times.

"It's about the worst thing you can be in black culture," he said. "You're taught you have to be a man; you have to be masculine. In the black community, they think you can pray the gay away."

That's heart-wrenching, especially since the broadcaster's concerns aren't entirely baseless.

Despite a long history of racial discrimination and being marginalized in the United States, African-Americans continue to be more conservative when it comes to gay issues than other groups. Homophobia among African-Americans is rampant and has more to do with religion than anything else.

According to a Pew study on civil unions and gay marriage, African-Americans are more likely to consider homosexuality immoral (64 percent) than whites (48 percent) or Hispanics (43 percent).

With all the religious leanings, coupled with a cultural "no homo" bias toward hyper-masculinity as evidenced by many of today's popular rap icons and professional athletes, it's clear why it took Lemon 45 years to finally come out.

I don't think classy is much of a man. Lemon, in contrast, is more of one.

 

[MotF Bane]

The ignorant homophobic bigotry from classy is disgusting.

 

[zsdersw]

I know exactly what being a man is all about. And all my strength and weaknesses are balanced out by my spouse who is a woman. No man could, should, would, or was ever designed to complete me as a man.

On the contrary my good forum friend, it is not I who is confused about what the totality of being man entails.

Ah yes.. the inner male traits. Guess what... not all men have them or have them to the same degree. Most males are incredibly good at focusing on one task but have difficulty multitasking, but not all.. and some are good at both. Sense of direction, protectiveness, etc are also not traits guaranteed in every man or dominant in every man.

Of course, you'd know this if you weren't such an ignorant bastard.. but I digress.

 

[werepossum]

You want a good example of why I just can't stand the gay movement. Here it is...

Don Lemon the CNN Achor, a brother too, came out of the closet. But he said that it was tough because the black community doesn't accept homosexuals. Mostly true. But then he pops this off, he said all they do in the black community is teach the young boys how to be masculine. WTF

What are we suppose to teach them? How to be like a female. I get irked by this mentality that teaching a boy how to be a man or teach a young girl how to be a woman is wrong. Its bullshit. A gay man is not manly, never is, never will be. I don't believe a gay man is good example of being a strong man. I don't view a gay man as much of a man at all. I am tired of hearing that now its wrong to raise children to be true to their natural born gender. They can go to hell.

This is a left problem, not a gay problem. The only close gay male friend I've ever had was as masculine as I - not that that's a particularly high bar. He was an electrician, served honorably in the Navy, and was generally just a regular guy. Of the three close lesbian friends I've had, two were as feminine as most straight women. They were a couple without visible male/female roles, both very pretty women that any man would find interesting. I am not at all qualified to speak for gay people, but it seems to me that gays have a problem not with masculinity or femininity, but with society forcing those square pegs who don't fit those round roles to conform. It's the left by contrast that dislikes those roles completely and wishes to force everyone out of traditional masculine and feminine roles and behaviors.

Whenever I've seen people dressing, naming and treating babies so that you can't tell their sex and can't react to them using societal gender norms, it's been leftists. Gay couples I've seen with small children by contrast dress them normally. Admittedly, East Tennessee is probably not the best place to get a handle on gay people's habits, but that's been my observation anyway.

 

[fskimospy]

Stay classy, Classy.

 

[classy]

Stay classy, Classy.

Doing the best I can, hehehehehehehe

 

[zsdersw]

Doing the best I can, hehehehehehehe

If that's your best, who needs your worst.

 

[classy]

Possum let me see if I can explain myself.
I am not homophobic. I have no fear of gays whatsoever.

When I married my wife, for 3 years her father didn't even acknowledge it. He told her I would beat her and all kinds of stuff. OJ was who I was. One of her best friends when he heard she was marrying me, he told her that if she was in trouble by me getting her pregnant, that she still didn't have to marry me. This guy even suggested help paying for an abortion if that was the case. But here is the thing I never needed validation from the masses. I never sought anyone's approval. If I had been born before it was legal in someplaces, for her I would have went to where it was.

I don't condemn people or call them bigots because they don't see marrying out of one's race a good thing. We weren't running around singing Kum Ba Ya, evangelizing the greatness of mixed salad. If a person believes that something is right, then they don't need confirmation from no one. But gays and gay supporters seem to want to pound everyone into submission because they don't support their lifestyle. They want to condemn people who believe in raising their children in accordance with their God given or nature chosen gender.

I am tired of hearing about how this one and that one has made them unhappy. They are unhappy because of their own damn themselves. Don Lemon stayed in the closet for 45 years because he wanted to stay in the closet for 45 years. Its not the Christian right, religion, or anyone else that is the root of a gay persons misery. I am tired of hearing the name calling because I choose not to accept homosexuality. I don't think its appropiate to have a gay person teaching my kid about it either.

I don't hate or despise anyone on how they want to live. If its legal and your happy then more power to you. But don't sell me your bs that in order for your simple ass to live you need to force me to like your life. FU. There are a lot of lifestyles all over this damn earth I don't subscribe, support, or like. Stopping blaming people and either make you own happiness or just plain shut up.

I just got friend who is about to go prison for life, drug dealer. And this cat still blames society. No he did this to himself. I sick of hearing every Tom, Dick, and Harry complaining about being unhappy because its someone else's fault.

 

[fskimospy]

Nobody is trying to force you to like anything. You should recognize that your irrational dislike of homosexuality is bigoted however. You also don't have to evangelize in favor of interracial marriage, but those trying to stop it are also bigoted. The fact that you're trying to relate someone being gay (which is not a choice) with someone going to prison for committing a crime (which is a choice) shows where this bigotry is coming from pretty well.

If you are happy with your bigotry, go for it. No one is going to force you to accept anything. Don't try and delude yourself that you're somehow better than you are though, because your opinions are repulsive.

 

[zsdersw]

I don't care what your opinion of my "lifestyle" is, classy... but every time you open your stupid-ass mouth about it on here... as if you have a clue... I'm going to be there to call you a dumbass.

 

[LumbergTech]

You want a good example of why I just can't stand the gay movement. Here it is...

Don Lemon the CNN Achor, a brother too, came out of the closet. But he said that it was tough because the black community doesn't accept homosexuals. Mostly true. But then he pops this off, he said all they do in the black community is teach the young boys how to be masculine. WTF

What are we suppose to teach them? How to be like a female. I get irked by this mentality that teaching a boy how to be a man or teach a young girl how to be a woman is wrong. Its bullshit. A gay man is not manly, never is, never will be. I don't believe a gay man is good example of being a strong man. I don't view a gay man as much of a man at all. I am tired of hearing that now its wrong to raise children to be true to their natural born gender. They can go to hell.

you obviously have not known a variety of gay people

I don't think you understand gays at all....in fact they are quite masculine ..maybe even more so than your average non-gay guy..
they like men....aka masculine beings

yes there are different kinds of gays but there all kinds of straights too..the fruity gays just get a lot more attention publicly

 

[MotF Bane]

Possum let me see if I can explain myself.
I am not homophobic. I have no fear of gays whatsoever.

When I married my wife, for 3 years her father didn't even acknowledge it. He told her I would beat her and all kinds of stuff. OJ was who I was. One of her best friends when he heard she was marrying me, he told her that if she was in trouble by me getting her pregnant, that she still didn't have to marry me. This guy even suggested help paying for an abortion if that was the case. But here is the thing I never needed validation from the masses. I never sought anyone's approval. If I had been born before it was legal in someplaces, for her I would have went to where it was.

I don't condemn people or call them bigots because they don't see marrying out of one's race a good thing. We weren't running around singing Kum Ba Ya, evangelizing the greatness of mixed salad. If a person believes that something is right, then they don't need confirmation from no one. But gays and gay supporters seem to want to pound everyone into submission because they don't support their lifestyle. They want to condemn people who believe in raising their children in accordance with their God given or nature chosen gender.

I am tired of hearing about how this one and that one has made them unhappy. They are unhappy because of their own damn themselves. Don Lemon stayed in the closet for 45 years because he wanted to stay in the closet for 45 years. Its not the Christian right, religion, or anyone else that is the root of a gay persons misery. I am tired of hearing the name calling because I choose not to accept homosexuality. I don't think its appropiate to have a gay person teaching my kid about it either.

I don't hate or despise anyone on how they want to live. If its legal and your happy then more power to you. But don't sell me your bs that in order for your simple ass to live you need to force me to like your life. FU. There are a lot of lifestyles all over this damn earth I don't subscribe, support, or like. Stopping blaming people and either make you own happiness or just plain shut up.

I just got friend who is about to go prison for life, drug dealer. And this cat still blames society. No he did this to himself. I sick of hearing every Tom, Dick, and Harry complaining about being unhappy because its someone else's fault.

Phobia can also mean dislike or hatred, not just fear.

You believe homosexuals and those who support equal rights for homosexuals want to condemn everyone else. That's... that's just blatant denial of reality. Have you seen what has happened to homosexuals over the years in America? Beaten? Murdered? Stigmatized? Treated like they are diseased, afflicted, mentally infirm? Called sinners by religious people? Forbidden from adoption by certain groups? Denied certain rights extended to married persons? And you think homosexuals are the ones who want to pound everyone else into submission? You are delusional.

Most homosexuals would like to live their normal lives, treated like the normal human beings THAT THEY ARE, without the bigotry and hatred from ignorant people like you. Have a house, have a good job, feel safe at night, maybe even raise children (most often normally) - not go out and turn the rest of society upside down.

Don Lemon chose to stay in the closet for forty-five years, and given the reaction of people like you, and you being a fairly minor reaction, I cannot blame him for it. You actually just talk poorly of them, but I strongly suspect that is the extent of it - unlike others, for whom talk is only the warm up. Just ask Matthew Shepard.

It's not fully legalized, and that's a big part of the problem. Homosexuals are denied, in most states, the rights of married people. Do they not have just as much right to marriage? Do they not have just as much right to all its financial benefits? Do they not have just as much right to take an interest in their partner's welfare? If you answer no to any of those questions, than would you likewise answer no to you and your wife, apparently an interracial marriage (and congratulations to you for succeeding with such a marriage given your description of the situation surrounding it), for the same exact questions?

 

[classy]

Nobody is trying to force you to like anything. You should recognize that your irrational dislike of homosexuality is bigoted however. You also don't have to evangelize in favor of interracial marriage, but those trying to stop it are also bigoted. The fact that you're trying to relate someone being gay (which is not a choice) with someone going to prison for committing a crime (which is a choice) shows where this bigotry is coming from pretty well.

If you are happy with your bigotry, go for it. No one is going to force you to accept anything. Don't try and delude yourself that you're somehow better than you are though, because your opinions are repulsive.

I am not interested in being better or comparing at all. And the day they can prove to me that it is not a choice, then on that day I change my tune. Until then..............................

 

[zsdersw]

I am not interested in being better or comparing at all. And the day they can prove to me that it is not a choice, then on that day I change my tune. Until then..............................

How do you know it's not a choice? You're probably not going to believe anyone who tells you it's not a choice, anyway.. so why should anyone bother?

 

[werepossum]

Possum let me see if I can explain myself.
I am not homophobic. I have no fear of gays whatsoever.

When I married my wife, for 3 years her father didn't even acknowledge it. He told her I would beat her and all kinds of stuff. OJ was who I was. One of her best friends when he heard she was marrying me, he told her that if she was in trouble by me getting her pregnant, that she still didn't have to marry me. This guy even suggested help paying for an abortion if that was the case. But here is the thing I never needed validation from the masses. I never sought anyone's approval. If I had been born before it was legal in someplaces, for her I would have went to where it was.

I don't condemn people or call them bigots because they don't see marrying out of one's race a good thing. We weren't running around singing Kum Ba Ya, evangelizing the greatness of mixed salad. If a person believes that something is right, then they don't need confirmation from no one. But gays and gay supporters seem to want to pound everyone into submission because they don't support their lifestyle. They want to condemn people who believe in raising their children in accordance with their God given or nature chosen gender.

I am tired of hearing about how this one and that one has made them unhappy. They are unhappy because of their own damn themselves. Don Lemon stayed in the closet for 45 years because he wanted to stay in the closet for 45 years. Its not the Christian right, religion, or anyone else that is the root of a gay persons misery. I am tired of hearing the name calling because I choose not to accept homosexuality. I don't think its appropiate to have a gay person teaching my kid about it either.

I don't hate or despise anyone on how they want to live. If its legal and your happy then more power to you. But don't sell me your bs that in order for your simple ass to live you need to force me to like your life. FU. There are a lot of lifestyles all over this damn earth I don't subscribe, support, or like. Stopping blaming people and either make you own happiness or just plain shut up.

I just got friend who is about to go prison for life, drug dealer. And this cat still blames society. No he did this to himself. I sick of hearing every Tom, Dick, and Harry complaining about being unhappy because its someone else's fault.

I agree with a lot of that. And I won't call you bigoted or homophobic or suggest you're fighting your own homosexuality if you oppose gay marriage. I will suggest though that there's a big difference between opposing gay relationships personally, and supporting government discrimination as law. Government should NEVER have the right to decide something so personal as whom you may or may not marry, whether it's gay or interracial or interfaith. Government has no right to protect an adult from himself unless there is clear evidence of mental illness, because unless we are sorely injured, we each have the right, given by G-d and protected by governments formed by man, to chart our own course and pursue happiness as long as we are not hurting anyone else. In fact, government should never infringe on any personal freedom unless it can demonstrate a compelling societal need that can only be met by infringing on that freedom. Agreed, gays can move to states today where gay marriage is legal. However, our federal government was formed (at least nominally) to protect the rights we are given by G-d. Our rights should be the same in every state, and they should be the same for everyone.

I grew up in a rural Tennessee county, with the same attitudes toward gays as someone a generation or two before might have had toward blacks. And I don't care for large parts of the "homosexual agenda" either. But I honestly think (although I don't know very many, and none well) that most gay people just want what we all want - the freedom to pursue happiness in their own chosen way, without government discrimination and without special privileges either.

 

[MotF Bane]

I am not interested in being better or comparing at all. And the day they can prove to me that it is not a choice, then on that day I change my tune. Until then..............................

Yes, choose to have a sexual preference that will be most likely questioned by your parents, if not belittled, or get you sent off to bible camp to pray the gay away, or worse. A preference that is the butt of countless jokes in schools, most especially male locker room humor, where the term "gay" is used casually, unthinkingly, to describe something not liked by the speaker. A preference that can get you beaten or killed if you are unlucky. A preference that makes many religions condemn you as damned for all eternity as a sinner. A preference that will deny you the right to marriage, the ability to share the financial benefits with your partner that come of marriage, the ability to have a say in their medical treatment when they cannot, the ability to visit them while they are dying in a hospital bed. A preference that will make having your own biological children more difficult, and can get you forbidden from adoption at certain locations. A preference that means you cannot give blood to the Red Cross.

I can go on, but I do believe I have made my point, and without ever looking for the research that indicates that, oh, yes, it isn't a CHOICE.

 

[fskimospy]

I am not interested in being better or comparing at all. And the day they can prove to me that it is not a choice, then on that day I change my tune. Until then..............................

How would you suggest someone go about proving to you that homosexuality is not a choice?

 

[First]

I'm always a little disappointed that some people still can't figure out that homosexuality is very, very likely genetic. It's not that difficult to befriend a few gay people, ask them yourselves, read some research on it, etc.

Anyway, I look forward to the day when the current state of anti-gay rhetoric becomes culturally, morally and politically untenable in the United States.

 

[JTsyo]

WEll as I have said before, I have no intention of supporting sissy men who want to produce more sissy boys. We got enough problems as it is with shrinking qualified mates for both men and women. With qualified pools being shrunk by disease, substance abuse, legal issues, and bad credit, the last thing we need is to legalize making young men and women listen to nonsense of how great it is to be gay. You see some of them switching, dressing all raunchy, with these high pitched voices, it just turns your stomach. I seen one lady butched up like a champ with a little one in tow, just don't get it.

🙄

Why can't the feminine guys just marry the butch females?

 

[Nebor]

Ah, I get it now. I was a little confused in the Chicago black firefighters thread, but now I see that classy is like a charicature of a black guy. He's for affirmative action, he's hyper-masculine, he thinks homosexuality is immoral and he's terribly insecure. Got it.

 

[PokerGuy]

Preference is not a choice, but behavior most certainly is.

 

[zsdersw]

Preference is not a choice, but behavior most certainly is.

Apply that to heterosexuals if you're going to apply it to homosexuals. The behavior of getting married or even being in a monogamous relationship in general is a choice, too. Why is one ok and another not?