Millennial Job Interview, Funny!

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ultimatebob

Lifer
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So you manage a Walmart or something?

This is actually a thing, though. I've worked with some younger employees who think that they work at a silicon valley startup and stroll into work at 11 AM each day after working until 2 AM the night before on a code bender.

The place where I work has flexible hours, but they really push it at times.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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This is actually a thing, though. I've worked with some younger employees who think that they work at a silicon valley startup and stroll into work at 11 AM each day after working until 2 AM the night before on a code bender.

The place where I work has flexible hours, but they really push it at times.
And what did their supervisor do about it? Expectations regarding work schedules should have been set when they were hired, not after it becomes a problem.
 

BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
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This is actually a thing, though. I've worked with some younger employees who think that they work at a silicon valley startup and stroll into work at 11 AM each day after working until 2 AM the night before on a code bender.

The place where I work has flexible hours, but they really push it at times.

I don't see the problem if they are getting their work done. I work better at night when it comes to programming. Additionally many times you have to work with teams over seas and working later can be an advantage in terms of time zones and collaboration.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I don't see the problem if they are getting their work done. I work better at night when it comes to programming. Additionally many times you have to work with teams over seas and working later can be an advantage in terms of time zones and collaboration.
I think the workforce is gradually going to change away from the "9-5 commute to work" job style into a way more remote friendly "work when you want as long as you get stuff done" job style. At least in my field (software developer) and you are seeing it a lot already. You can get much better talent that way too.
 

fleshconsumed

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I think the workforce is gradually going to change away from the "9-5 commute to work" job style into a way more remote friendly "work when you want as long as you get stuff done" job style. At least in my field (software developer) and you are seeing it a lot already. You can get much better talent that way too.
The problem with this is that 9-5 has well defined work hours, as in work stops after 5. I like having flexible hours myself. However, it's really easy to abuse lack of well defined working hours and go from "work when you want as long as you get stuff done" to "work when you want as long as you get stuff done even if it takes you 50+ hours"
 

Lanyap

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Dec 23, 2000
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And the older generations have been complaining about the younger ones ever since the written language was invented. The fact is, younger people are inherently less developed in their maturity and work ethic. It's easy for older folks to forget how they were when they were young but instead put the younger generation to the same standard as members of their own age groups. It's not a generational thing. It's an age thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HFwok9SlQQ

True. I can remember being young, dumb and full of... My baby boomer generation had fast cars, motorcycles, Boone's Farm, bell bottoms, platform shoes and lots of recreational drugs when we were teens (I did all except for the drugs). We got our drivers license as soon as we were old enough and started working when we were 16/17. Although we were not mature yet we were out there in the real world dealing with it and having fun.

Millennials and Gen Z are vastly different. They are maturing much slower that previous generations. They are heavy into social media, electronic games and anything i* which is probably one reason they are "different". While it's true that some of them are moving into the real world, many of them are having issues dealing with the real world and having to go to therapy sessions and take psychotropic drugs to function.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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True. I can remember being young, dumb and full of... My baby boomer generation had fast cars, motorcycles, Boone's Farm, bell bottoms, platform shoes and lots of recreational drugs when we were teens (I did all except for the drugs). We got our drivers license as soon as we were old enough and started working when we were 16/17. Although we were not mature yet we were out there in the real world dealing with it and having fun.

Millennials and Gen Z are vastly different. They are maturing much slower that previous generations. They are heavy into social media, electronic games and anything i* which is probably one reason they are "different". While it's true that some of them are moving into the real world, many of them are having issues dealing with the real world and having to go to therapy sessions and take psychotropic drugs to function.
Many also got jacked up on psychotropic drugs from childhood thanks to their boomer parents. Remember that shit rolls downhill, if they're having a shitty time it's probably because something got dumped on them, one way or another. Decades of wage stagnation, COL increases, and declining job prospects haven't made for a particularly generous offering for up-and-comers, and some can't cope as well as others.

Now, that's not entirely an excuse, as there's a certain measure of bootstrapness that should come with being a grown-ass-adult, but sometimes the cards are stacked enough against you that if you don't have a particular personality or haven't been shown proper coping skills, you might fall apart.
 

purbeast0

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The problem with this is that 9-5 has well defined work hours, as in work stops after 5. I like having flexible hours myself. However, it's really easy to abuse lack of well defined working hours and go from "work when you want as long as you get stuff done" to "work when you want as long as you get stuff done even if it takes you 50+ hours"
Whether remote or not, any job requiring you to work more than 40 hours is a sign of a poorly ran company.
 

fleshconsumed

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Whether remote or not, any job requiring you to work more than 40 hours is a sign of a poorly ran company.
True, but it's not just that. It's a lot harder to keep track of hours worked if you're working truly flexible hours, as in evening or nights. Combined with pressure to get the job done, it's too easy to go over 40 hours and not even notice. People do it to themselves and don't even notice.
 

repoman0

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Jun 17, 2010
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How could an entire generation not know what time to show up for work and the importance of doing so? I have seen many people under 30 exhibiting the same behavior. Regardless of what you want to argue, these facts speak for themselves.

Yeah, this under-30 works max 35 hrs per week, usually rather significantly less, but my baby boomer managers and project leads keep giving me promotions and 7-8% annualized raises. Apparently hours are not that important, but being smarter and quicker than baby boomers is.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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True, but it's not just that. It's a lot harder to keep track of hours worked if you're working truly flexible hours, as in evening or nights. Combined with pressure to get the job done, it's too easy to go over 40 hours and not even notice. People do it to themselves and don't even notice.
It's not hard at all. It's basic math. I work flexible hours.
 

Chaotic42

Lifer
Jun 15, 2001
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Yeah, this under-30 works max 35 hrs per week, usually rather significantly less, but my baby boomer managers and project leads keep giving me promotions and 7-8% annualized raises. Apparently hours are not that important, but being smarter and quicker than baby boomers is.
I'm still trying to figure out where you and purbeast work that you don't regularly have to work more than 40. Even if your task only takes 35, how have you not been identified as someone who gets things done and given more work?

The only time I was certain I'd never do over 40 was at NASA.
 

repoman0

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I'm still trying to figure out where you and purbeast work that you don't regularly have to work more than 40. Even if your task only takes 35, how have you not been identified as someone who gets things done and given more work?

The only time I was certain I'd never do over 40 was at NASA.

It's not NASA, but something like it. It's a very "research-y" environment with a lot of individual work on my current projects, and there's only so much time I can think about problems and still be productive. When I feel like I've gotten enough done for the day and the time value of my work is decreasing, I leave, relax, recharge, come back the next day. Nobody bothers me about it.

I could get more done if I stayed longer but I don't feel like I owe it to them and don't have high enough ambition to deal with it. Some call it laziness, I call it balance because I'd rather go home and play piano + ride my bike :p
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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So, just like people wrongly calling kids born in 2002 and in high school now Millennials? It seems we don't really assign a name to a generation until about half of them are adults, until then those that are adults many times get called the same as the generation before.

Born in '82.
You can call yourself whatever you want.
I was born in 80.
I'm of the "Oregon Trail Generation" between X and Millenials ... though honestly, sometimes I feel like I'm part of both rather than in between them.

My lil bro was born in 86, and he's very much in the millenial camp, my sister was born in 82, and she more or less fits in with Gen X folks.
 

sourceninja

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I was born in 1980, I work around 45-50 hours a week 100% flex time. I like to start around 9am, but sometimes I start as late as 10. I usually take 1-2 hour lunches and I head home around 3 if I'm in the office to finish my day at home. Otherwise I just get done what needs to be done.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Yeah, this under-30 works max 35 hrs per week, usually rather significantly less, but my baby boomer managers and project leads keep giving me promotions and 7-8% annualized raises. Apparently hours are not that important, but being smarter and quicker than baby boomers is.

Do you work at a kneepad factory? ;)
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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I was born in 1980, I work around 45-50 hours a week 100% flex time. I like to start around 9am, but sometimes I start as late as 10. I usually take 1-2 hour lunches and I head home around 3 if I'm in the office to finish my day at home. Otherwise I just get done what needs to be done.

AH he'll no. 1-2 hour lunches? Start at 10AM?

You're fired!
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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AH he'll no. 1-2 hour lunches? Start at 10AM?

You're fired!
lol, Lunch should always be 2 hours, and 10am is too early to start, especially when you are on call 24x7x364 and overworked.

It is funny how some people are so stupid that thef ignore all the context and then pick out one or two things that they imagine are bad.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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I'm not kidding when I say we interviewed a 23 year old guy that wanted a 10:30 "Venti break" every day and another 3:30 break to walk his dog.

Yeeeaaahhhhhhhhh.......
 

sourceninja

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Mar 8, 2005
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I'm not kidding when I say we interviewed a 23 year old guy that wanted a 10:30 "Venti break" every day and another 3:30 break to walk his dog.

Yeeeaaahhhhhhhhh.......
I know, I had these workers back when I did dial up IT support. They wanted smoke breaks every few hours for 10 minutes + a lunch. I took up fake smoking just so I could get the same level of breaks. I was expected to work except for schedule breaks as a non-smoker.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I know, I had these workers back when I did dial up IT support. They wanted smoke breaks every few hours for 10 minutes + a lunch. I took up fake smoking just so I could get the same level of breaks. I was expected to work except for schedule breaks as a non-smoker.
Were you ever around for before that? when they would just smoke at their desks?
I'd rather have them go outside at least .

I came into IT after smoking at your desk had been ruled out, but, some of the old timers still talk about how disgusting some of the smokers keyboards were back in the 90s.