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Mike Rowe talks about lack of skilled labor

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aka Brandon
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/dirtyjobs/mike-rowe-senate-testimony.html

Mike Rowe's Testimony Before the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation
May 11, 2011


Chairman Rockefeller, Ranking Member Hutchison and members of this committee, my name is Mike Rowe, and I want to thank you all very much for the opportunity to testify before you today.

I'm here today because of my grandfather.

His name was Carl Knobel, and he made his living in Baltimore as a master electrician. He was also a plumber, a mechanic, a mason, and a carpenter. Everyone knew him as a jack-of-all-trades. I knew him as a magician.

For most of his life, my grandfather woke up clean and came home dirty. In between, he accomplished things that were nothing short of miraculous. Some days he might re-shingle a roof. Or rebuild a motor. Or maybe run electricity out to our barn. He helped build the church I went to as a kid, and the farmhouse my brothers and I grew up in. He could fix or build anything, but to my knowledge he never once read the directions. He just knew how stuff worked.

I remember one Saturday morning when I was 12. I flushed the toilet in the same way I always had. The toilet however, responded in a way that was completely out of character. There was a rumbling sound, followed by a distant gurgle. Then, everything that had gone down reappeared in a rather violent and spectacular fashion.

Naturally, my grandfather was called in to investigate, and within the hour I was invited to join he and my dad in the front yard with picks and shovels.

By lunch, the lawn was littered with fragments of old pipe and mounds of dirt. There was welding and pipe-fitting, blisters and laughter, and maybe some questionable language. By sunset we were completely filthy. But a new pipe was installed, the dirt was back in the hole, and our toilet was back on its best behavior. It was one of my favorite days ever.

Thirty years later in San Francisco when my toilet blew up again. This time, I didn't participate in the repair process. I just called my landlord, left a check on the kitchen counter, and went to work. When I got home, the mess was cleaned up and the problem was solved. As for the actual plumber who did the work, I never even met him.

It occurred to me that I had become disconnected from a lot of things that used to fascinate me. I no longer thought about where my food came from, or how my electricity worked, or who fixed my pipes, or who made my clothes. There was no reason to. I had become less interested in how things got made, and more interested in how things got bought.

At this point my grandfather was well into his 80s, and after a long visit with him one weekend, I decided to do a TV show in his honor. Today, Dirty Jobs is still on the air, and I am here before this committee, hoping to say something useful. So, here it is.

I believe we need a national PR Campaign for Skilled Labor. A big one. Something that addresses the widening skills gap head on, and reconnects the country with the most important part of our workforce.

Right now, American manufacturing is struggling to fill 200,000 vacant positions. There are 450,000 openings in trades, transportation and utilities. The skills gap is real, and it's getting wider. In Alabama, a third of all skilled tradesmen are over 55. They're retiring fast, and no one is there to replace them.

Alabama's not alone. A few months ago in Atlanta I ran into Tom Vilsack, our Secretary of Agriculture. Tom told me about a governor who was unable to move forward on the construction of a power plant. The reason was telling. It wasn't a lack of funds. It wasn't a lack of support. It was a lack of qualified welders.

In general, we're surprised that high unemployment can exist at the same time as a skilled labor shortage. We shouldn't be. We've pretty much guaranteed it.

In high schools, the vocational arts have all but vanished. We've elevated the importance of "higher education" to such a lofty perch that all other forms of knowledge are now labeled "alternative." Millions of parents and kids see apprenticeships and on-the-job-training opportunities as "vocational consolation prizes," best suited for those not cut out for a four-year degree. And still, we talk about millions of "shovel ready" jobs for a society that doesn't encourage people to pick up a shovel.

In a hundred different ways, we have slowly marginalized an entire category of critical professions, reshaping our expectations of a "good job" into something that no longer looks like work. A few years from now, an hour with a good plumber – if you can find one – is going to cost more than an hour with a good psychiatrist. At which point we'll all be in need of both.

I came here today because guys like my grandfather are no less important to civilized life than they were 50 years ago. Maybe they're in short supply because we don't acknowledge them they way we used to. We leave our check on the kitchen counter, and hope the work gets done. That needs to change.

My written testimony includes the details of several initiatives designed to close the skills gap, all of which I've had the privilege to participate in. Go Build Alabama, I Make America, and my own modest efforts through Dirty Jobs and mikeroweWORKS. I'm especially proud to announce "Discover Your Skills," a broad-based initiative from Discovery Communications that I believe can change perceptions in a meaningful way.

I encourage you to support these efforts, because closing the skills gap doesn't just benefit future tradesmen and the companies desperate to hire them. It benefits people like me, and anyone else who shares my addiction to paved roads, reliable bridges, heating, air conditioning, and indoor plumbing.

The skills gap is a reflection of what we value. To close the gap, we need to change the way the country feels about work.

:thumbsup: Very well put and very true.

We've become so attracted to degrees that we're left with no skilled laborers which we really need. People that don't need it are damn near forced into getting higher education when they can be learning something else that can be equally useful. Working in a steel mill I can tell you we're desperately in need of qualified welders, mechanics, and electricians. Not mech or electrical ENGINEERS... but the laborers. Nobody can pass the mechanical test these days because so many are led to believe that such things are lowly "grease monkey" jobs. We need them, and it can be a good living. If we realign what we consider to be good jobs then I think a lot more people would grow up learning a skilled trade that will get them a job almost immediately.
 
Because unless you have your degree, you're a loser... even if it's a phys.ed. degree. Oh, and contemporary society requires all to go to college, to rack up $100k in debt to live in the dorm, get wasted and totally laid. Omfg, I missed out on the "college experience".
 
Micro Mike Rowe
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There are problems with the trades.

- The work is unsteady. This is a stark reality and what has kept me away from picking up a trade as a main profession. The reality is that trade work comes in cycles. It's GREAT during the boom times but the down times are pretty harsh. It seems like the trades are always the first to get hurt during a recession and always the last to recover.
- Being looked down upon. This isn't as big a deal as people make it out to be but yes it is annoying when you're doing work for someone and they're constantly shitting all over you. Not much you can do about it if you're locked into a contract.
- It beats on you. Manual labor takes a lot more out of your body than any office job and that is a goddamn fact. It's a combination of the physicality of it along with the reality that you're going to be eating a lot of shit food on the road not only to keep your energy up but that's because that's all there is available.
- Long days. You'll never put in an eight hour day working the trades unless things are bad. You always wind up so tired at the end of it that all you want to do is go home, eat, shower, stare at the boob tube for a while and pass out. That kind of lifestyle wears on you after a while.

To be fair, there are a lot of pluses. No suit and tie necessary, no fuckin dress code, you're allowed to swear whenever you want and if you're smart with your money during a boom you can do really well for yourself. Then there's the whole relative freedom thing once you become a skilled laborer.
 
There are problems with the trades.

- The work is unsteady. This is a stark reality and what has kept me away from picking up a trade as a main profession. The reality is that trade work comes in cycles. It's GREAT during the boom times but the down times are pretty harsh. It seems like the trades are always the first to get hurt during a recession and always the last to recover.
- Being looked down upon. This isn't as big a deal as people make it out to be but yes it is annoying when you're doing work for someone and they're constantly shitting all over you. Not much you can do about it if you're locked into a contract.
- It beats on you. Manual labor takes a lot more out of your body than any office job and that is a goddamn fact. It's a combination of the physicality of it along with the reality that you're going to be eating a lot of shit food on the road not only to keep your energy up but that's because that's all there is available.
- Long days. You'll never put in an eight hour day working the trades unless things are bad. You always wind up so tired at the end of it that all you want to do is go home, eat, shower, stare at the boob tube for a while and pass out. That kind of lifestyle wears on you after a while.

To be fair, there are a lot of pluses. No suit and tie necessary, no fuckin dress code, you're allowed to swear whenever you want and if you're smart with your money during a boom you can do really well for yourself. Then there's the whole relative freedom thing once you become a skilled laborer.

As a Chef in a tourist driven area, I have to agree with all of these points.
 
I guess living here in Michigan I see no shortage. You can't walk ten feet without running into a unemployed skilled tradesman. 10.5% unemployment and that doesn't really tell the whole story because we saw the downturn so much earlier than the rest of the country there are tons of people that have exhausted their unemployment.
 
There are problems with the trades.

- The work is unsteady. This is a stark reality and what has kept me away from picking up a trade as a main profession. The reality is that trade work comes in cycles. It's GREAT during the boom times but the down times are pretty harsh. It seems like the trades are always the first to get hurt during a recession and always the last to recover.
- Being looked down upon. This isn't as big a deal as people make it out to be but yes it is annoying when you're doing work for someone and they're constantly shitting all over you. Not much you can do about it if you're locked into a contract.
- It beats on you. Manual labor takes a lot more out of your body than any office job and that is a goddamn fact. It's a combination of the physicality of it along with the reality that you're going to be eating a lot of shit food on the road not only to keep your energy up but that's because that's all there is available.
- Long days. You'll never put in an eight hour day working the trades unless things are bad. You always wind up so tired at the end of it that all you want to do is go home, eat, shower, stare at the boob tube for a while and pass out. That kind of lifestyle wears on you after a while.

To be fair, there are a lot of pluses. No suit and tie necessary, no fuckin dress code, you're allowed to swear whenever you want and if you're smart with your money during a boom you can do really well for yourself. Then there's the whole relative freedom thing once you become a skilled laborer.

Spoken like a true college grad... Clueless in the way the real world works.

It's not how much education you have, it's how smart you are that determines your ultimate success in life. If you're average, education helps. If you're smart, education doesn't matter. You just figure it out as you go and add it to your resume.

Every waiter/tress I tip seems to have a degree in one thing or another.

College isn't the answer. A degree doesn't guarantee success. In the end, the formula never changes. The people who are willing to work the hardest at 'it' will be the ones who make the most. Regardless of what 'it' is they are doing or their level of education.

Check the list of lawyers who file their own bankruptcy paperwork.
 
There are problems with the trades.

- The work is unsteady. This is a stark reality and what has kept me away from picking up a trade as a main profession. The reality is that trade work comes in cycles. It's GREAT during the boom times but the down times are pretty harsh. It seems like the trades are always the first to get hurt during a recession and always the last to recover.
- Being looked down upon. This isn't as big a deal as people make it out to be but yes it is annoying when you're doing work for someone and they're constantly shitting all over you. Not much you can do about it if you're locked into a contract.
- It beats on you. Manual labor takes a lot more out of your body than any office job and that is a goddamn fact. It's a combination of the physicality of it along with the reality that you're going to be eating a lot of shit food on the road not only to keep your energy up but that's because that's all there is available.
- Long days. You'll never put in an eight hour day working the trades unless things are bad. You always wind up so tired at the end of it that all you want to do is go home, eat, shower, stare at the boob tube for a while and pass out. That kind of lifestyle wears on you after a while.

To be fair, there are a lot of pluses. No suit and tie necessary, no fuckin dress code, you're allowed to swear whenever you want and if you're smart with your money during a boom you can do really well for yourself. Then there's the whole relative freedom thing once you become a skilled laborer.

I worked the trades for 30 years. Everything you say is true...it's boom or bust. You're either working so many hours you don't have time to enjoy the money you're making...or you can't find a job at all...rarely any in-between.

Yes, hard physical labor takes a severe toll on the body. No getting around it, and it's usually dirty work...but it's honest dirt. 😀

Most trades will have you working outside, in all kinds of weather. Sometimes it's not too bad, but IF you work in the winter...it can be cold and snowy...and the summers can be unbearably hot.

I don't think there have been many times when I thought some one "looked down" on me because of my trade. One time, we were in a small town because of the work, and a neighbor called me "construction trash."
"Boo-hoo, I told him. I'll match W-2's with you any day. You have hurt my feeling so bad I'm gonna cry all the way to the bank on payday."
I was making more than 3 times as much money as he did...and I had great benefits...he had none.
I traveled a LOT. That's probably the biggest drawback for me. Not that I don't enjoy traveling, but it was hard on my family. Either I left them behind and MAYBE saw them on the weekend...or every few months, or else I took them with me...and the kids changed schools at least once per year...sometimes more.

Still, I LOVED what I did, in spite of all the drawbacks...I worked outside, I helped build some VERY big projects...it's nice to drive by and say, "I helped build that," and I was damned good at what I did.

Are the trades for everyone? Fuck no...but then again, college and office work isn't for everyone.
 
What of his post was untrue? He wasn't crapping on skilled labor, but pointing out that it has certain shortcomings worth considering on a personal level.

It was a negative generalization. It wasn't completely untrue but it also doesn't reflect my experiences.

You always wind up so tired at the end of it that all you want to do is go home, eat, shower, stare at the boob tube for a while and pass out. That kind of lifestyle wears on you after a while.

Every jobsite I've been on has been an 8-5, 7-4, type situation. The guys who put in the LONG hours are the managers and business owners because they have to wrap the day and prep for the next. (Me) Otherwise it's not that bad. It's marginally true that skilled labor is available at the whim of the economy but that's true of any occupation.

My point is that your brain has more to do with your success than your education. Something he seems to have missed.
 
Boomer, thank you for your words.

Man you said it for sure. Even though you go home covered in crap and worn out, you do it with a sense of PRIDE. Like you said it feels great to look at a completed project you worked on and see how you helped. I'm a retail manager now (yes, I know....) and even though the money is decent and the work will be there as long as I live there's something wholly unsatisfactory about it. The only time I ever really feel the same is when I'm working on my own projects.

Sometimes I think about going back to it full time, some times I think it's for the best that I stay away from it. I feel like I'd be a really happy trade welder and from what I hear good welders are always in demand. You were a crane operator, yes? Did you get to do other stuff as well? Did the jobs allow you to stay in places for fairly long times? Would you say, overall, you got to spend as much time with your family as you would have liked?

As far as the being looked down upon thing let me clarify that a little bit. My dad does custom cabinetry and deals with residential folks primarily. Sorta occupies the niche between the prefab stuff you get at hardware stores and the ultra-premium stuff that deals in exotics. Sometimes, either due to lack of work or trying to be nice, he takes on jobs for extremely wealthy clients. I'd say about 50% of the time, in my experience, these are the most anal retentive clients and will request changes ad infinitum and belittle you while making those changes. To be fair, this is not indicative of the vast majority of clients in the trades. It's sort of like a vocal minority if that makes sense.

Spoken like a true college grad... Clueless in the way the real world works.

It's not how much education you have, it's how smart you are that determines your ultimate success in life. If you're average, education helps. If you're smart, education doesn't matter. You just figure it out as you go and add it to your resume.

😕

I sorta posted a pros/cons list of the trades an how they relate to the field itself. Excuse me for asking but I don't really see what that has to do with a person's relative prospects in life.
 
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I sorta posted a pros/cons list of the trades an how they relate to the field itself. Excuse me for asking but I don't really see what that has to do with a person's relative prospects in life.

Maybe I overreacted then. There was another thread on these forums recently where this topic was brought up and some tried to make the point that people without a degree were at a disadvantage in life.

Long story short... talking about the hours involved with skilled labor vs degreed labor is hard to separate. I don't know a single doctor or lawyer who works a 9-5 M-F schedule.

Talking about the steadiness of employment is equally irrelevant. It has more to do with who you are and how you contribute than anything else. Even then, steady as you are, you still might get let go, degree or no.

I would compare an experienced skilled labor person against a person with a degree any day. Barring a hyper-specialized occupation (legal, medical, etc) I don't see the difference long term.
 
Well then I think we can chalk that one up to a misunderstanding. I will try and be clearer the next time I post on the topic.

I think we can both agree that people who are truly skilled and have a good head on their shoulders are going to succeed regardless of a degree. :thumbsup:
 
Well then I think we can chalk that one up to a misunderstanding. I will try and be clearer the next time I post on the topic.

I think we can both agree that people who are truly skilled and have a good head on their shoulders are going to succeed regardless of a degree. :thumbsup:

Yup :beer:

edit: we really need to bring that emoticon back...
 
mike rowe is a douche. go listen to someone intelligent, not someone who can fake it. everything he says is fluff. he has nothing valuable or important to say...I don't understand why people are so attached to his dick
 
Part of the reason that we have this "everyone needs a degree" attitude is that high school diplomas have turned into total fluff. You can be barely literate and still graduate from high school. That being said, a skilled electrician is a hundred times more valuable than someone with a sociology degree.
 
mike rowe is a douche. go listen to someone intelligent, not someone who can fake it. everything he says is fluff. he has nothing valuable or important to say...I don't understand why people are so attached to his dick

Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?
 
I'm not going to denigrate the entire process of college education, but I definitely agree with Rowe and most of the posters in this thread--it's not for everyone, and it's thus not something that should be pushed on everyone as some sort of "golden ticket" or as the pinnacle of achievement. I've never apprenticed under a skilled laborer, but I'd imagine that process is at least on par (difficulty and skill-wise) with much of what's "accomplished" in many undergraduate degrees.

There's a place for college/university education, and there's a place for trade school, apprenticeship, and the training of skilled labor occupations; neither route should be seen as "better" than the other, and both should be touted and suggested based on individual skills and interests.
 
Part of the reason that we have this "everyone needs a degree" attitude is that high school diplomas have turned into total fluff. You can be barely literate and still graduate from high school. That being said, a skilled electrician is a hundred times more valuable than someone with a sociology degree.

Also, the advent of every job suddenly requiring 4 year degrees for the most trivial of stuff. I've seen jobs for receptionists paying 10.00 an hour and requiring a 4 year degree.
 
sonambulo:

One thing you forgot to mention is risk. Some of the best blue collar jobs (high-voltage electrician comes to mind) can seriously injure or kill you if you make a mistake.
 
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