Middle school to give out birth control pills

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: waggy
because one way or another the taxpayers are going to be paying.

also the parents have to enroll the hcild in teh "health program" to begin with.

and paying for the little sluts birth control is a hell of a lot chepaer then paying her or someone else to raise the kids.

I thought I would quote this one more time to emphasize the point. Again, for coolnessrune on your abstinence, but just because you feel uber-responsible doesn't mean that anybody else does or even should have your point of view. And they don't. Plain and simple. So if you would get off of your moral high horse for a minute you would see that you are going to be paying either way, so you might as well choose the option that A. costs you less and B. is less of an economic and social drain on society.

(that option is birth control btw)

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Pabster
I would say that if my 11 year old daughter needed birth control pills and/or condoms to be handed out to her, I failed as a Parent.

You're probably right, and since you understand this then you're probably not going to ever have to deal with it.

It doesn't change the fact that there are a LOT of parents out there that don't have a clue, and while your effective parenting will protect your child, it won't protect theirs. At least having BC education/supplies available gives them a chance.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
Two years ago, when I was in 8th grade, there were two girls in the 6th grade who were pregnant. I though it was impossible, but I guess not. They had like 18 year old boyfriends.

Did their boyfriends live in the same trailer park as they did?

 

[tfinch2]

:laugh: @ thecoolnessrune

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Scary stuff now that I'm a parent. I'm teaching my son to just keep it in his pants.

lol yeah that'll work

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: waggy
because one way or another the taxpayers are going to be paying.

also the parents have to enroll the hcild in teh "health program" to begin with.

and paying for the little sluts birth control is a hell of a lot chepaer then paying her or someone else to raise the kids.

I thought I would quote this one more time to emphasize the point. Again, for coolnessrune on your abstinence, but just because you feel uber-responsible doesn't mean that anybody else does or even should have your point of view. And they don't. Plain and simple. So if you would get off of your moral high horse for a minute you would see that you are going to be paying either way, so you might as well choose the option that A. costs you less and B. is less of an economic and social drain on society.

(that option is birth control btw)

Or choose option C: Don't give them free pills, educate them, and if they still mess up then their SOL. Let them take responsibility for their actions.

Yes, I know the "THINK OF THE BABY!!" people will be fussing, but that doesn't change the fact that those girls and boys dug their own grave cause they were stupid. I shouldn't have to pay for that consequence unless I choose to.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
:laugh: @ thecoolnessrune

:laugh: @ the sky

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: waggy
because one way or another the taxpayers are going to be paying.

also the parents have to enroll the hcild in teh "health program" to begin with.

and paying for the little sluts birth control is a hell of a lot chepaer then paying her or someone else to raise the kids.

I thought I would quote this one more time to emphasize the point. Again, for coolnessrune on your abstinence, but just because you feel uber-responsible doesn't mean that anybody else does or even should have your point of view. And they don't. Plain and simple. So if you would get off of your moral high horse for a minute you would see that you are going to be paying either way, so you might as well choose the option that A. costs you less and B. is less of an economic and social drain on society.

(that option is birth control btw)

Or choose option C: Don't give them free pills, educate them, and if they still mess up then their SOL. Let them take responsibility for their actions.

Yes, I know the "THINK OF THE BABY!!" people will be fussing, but that doesn't change the fact that those girls and boys dug their own grave cause they were stupid. I shouldn't have to pay for that consequence unless I choose to.

And you keep saying this stuff, and therefore people are calling you naive. Option C doesn't exist, whether you think it should or not. There is no 'let them take responsibility', because welfare is available for single mothers and very poor families.

The saddest thing is that there is no education. To me this is the single biggest barrier stopping us from reducing the rates of STD's and teenage pregnancies. State-sponsored abstinence education is standing firmly in the way of real education ever happening.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: waggy
because one way or another the taxpayers are going to be paying.

also the parents have to enroll the hcild in teh "health program" to begin with.

and paying for the little sluts birth control is a hell of a lot chepaer then paying her or someone else to raise the kids.

I thought I would quote this one more time to emphasize the point. Again, for coolnessrune on your abstinence, but just because you feel uber-responsible doesn't mean that anybody else does or even should have your point of view. And they don't. Plain and simple. So if you would get off of your moral high horse for a minute you would see that you are going to be paying either way, so you might as well choose the option that A. costs you less and B. is less of an economic and social drain on society.

(that option is birth control btw)

Or choose option C: Don't give them free pills, educate them, and if they still mess up then their SOL. Let them take responsibility for their actions.

Yes, I know the "THINK OF THE BABY!!" people will be fussing, but that doesn't change the fact that those girls and boys dug their own grave cause they were stupid. I shouldn't have to pay for that consequence unless I choose to.

And you keep saying this stuff, and therefore people are calling you naive. Option C doesn't exist, whether you think it should or not. There is no 'let them take responsibility', because welfare is available for single mothers and very poor families.

The saddest thing is that there is no education. To me this is the single biggest barrier stopping us from reducing the rates of STD's and teenage pregnancies. State-sponsored abstinence education is standing firmly in the way of real education ever happening.

What is so naive? Option C doesn't exist *yet*. The point of a good discussion is to propose a policy or solution, whether it exists already or not.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Oct 18, 2007 7:55 am US/Eastern
Middle School To Give Out Birth Control Pills

(WBZ) BOSTON Students at a middle school in Portland, Maine will be able to get birth control pills and patches at their student health center after the local school board approved the proposal Wednesday evening.

The plan, offered by city health officials, makes King Middle School the first middle school in Maine to make a full range of contraception available to students in grades 6 through 8, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services.

There are no national figures on how many middle schools, where most students range in age from 11 to 13, provide such services.

Some parents in Massachusetts worry that distributing birth control at school would encourage sex, not educate kids about it.

"I think that's promoting more promiscuity, so I don't think it should be available to them," one parent said.

"I think it's absolutely too young," said another mother. "But I think it's out of everybody's hands. I think that things are going on and they have to be taken care of."

A Massachusetts Education Department survey found nearly one in three students 15 years old and younger are sexually active. The Massachusetts Alliance on Teen Pregnancy preaches abstinence but believes, even for middle schoolers, it can fall on deaf ears.

"Certainly in the best scenario the parents would be involved in this decision making," said Lydia Watts of the Massachusetts Alliance on Teen Pregnancy.

"What we're concerned about are those young people who are most at risk of teen pregnancy and those are young people who don't have that kind of relationship with their parents."

Prescribing birth control has not been an issue for middle schools in Massachusetts. But the State Department of Education has recommended that school committees consider providing contraception in high schools, though it is not mandated.

At King Middle School, birth control prescriptions will be given after a student undergoes a physical exam by a physician or nurse practitioner, said Lisa Belanger, who oversees Portland's student health centers.

Students treated at the centers must first get written parental permission, but under state law such treatment is confidential, and students decide for themselves whether to tell their parents about the services they receive.

Five of the 134 students who visited King's health center during the 2006-07 school year reported having sexual intercourse, said Amanda Rowe, lead nurse in Portland's school health centers.

http://forums.anandtech.com/ca...px?catid=38&entercat=y


When you were in Middle School did you know of any classmates having sex?

damn it.. i wish i was born this century.

and whats with the recursive link back to ATOT topics?!

 

[HardcoreRomantic]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: HardcoreRomantic

Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
If I was a girl I think I would probably want those birth control pills that shorten or eliminate your period. Not even anything to do with sex really. Of course, maybe they have side effects that I don't know about, I'm obviously not an expert.

I wish my school had this program when I was in junior high/high school for just that reason. Just recently I started using bc for this, and I wish I could've started 8 or so years ago.

But yeah. My school is "abstinence only". It worked really well for the 4 or 5 girls (out of 30) who had "accidents" right after graduation. I think it's a good example that whether birth control is readily available or not, sex is going to happen. Might as well be ready for that.

If you wanted bc so badly why didn't you ask your parents to take you to the doctor to inquire about it?

I don't see where it should be the job of the taxpayers to help schools subvert the parents and give their child free pills.

Because our school didn't teach us about birth control options. Most of us had no idea it could be used to help with periods until we were juniors/seniors in high school. And even then, our parents still had the mindset of taking birth control = having sex, because that's basically what our schools (and uber conservative churches) taught us.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: waggy
because one way or another the taxpayers are going to be paying.

also the parents have to enroll the hcild in teh "health program" to begin with.

and paying for the little sluts birth control is a hell of a lot chepaer then paying her or someone else to raise the kids.

I thought I would quote this one more time to emphasize the point. Again, for coolnessrune on your abstinence, but just because you feel uber-responsible doesn't mean that anybody else does or even should have your point of view. And they don't. Plain and simple. So if you would get off of your moral high horse for a minute you would see that you are going to be paying either way, so you might as well choose the option that A. costs you less and B. is less of an economic and social drain on society.

(that option is birth control btw)

Or choose option C: Don't give them free pills, educate them, and if they still mess up then their SOL. Let them take responsibility for their actions.

Yes, I know the "THINK OF THE BABY!!" people will be fussing, but that doesn't change the fact that those girls and boys dug their own grave cause they were stupid. I shouldn't have to pay for that consequence unless I choose to.

So you want the kids to be responsible, yet deny them a powerful tool that would help them be responsible? I sure hope you don't feel the same way about free condoms.

And what is the education you're proposing? Abstinence is the only way to prevent pregnancy and STIs? When used correctly, BC is over 99% effective; condoms about 98%. When used simultaneously, the risks are minimal.

Moreover, there are sexual activities apart from intercourse that are even less risky and contribute to healthy adolescent development (but still benefit from the protection BC and condoms provide).

You're entitled to be celibate befor marriage; just recognize that the majority of young people do not feel this way, and they are entitled to information and tools that help them to express their sexuality more safely.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1

Originally posted by: waggy
because one way or another the taxpayers are going to be paying.

also the parents have to enroll the hcild in teh "health program" to begin with.

and paying for the little sluts birth control is a hell of a lot chepaer then paying her or someone else to raise the kids.

I thought I would quote this one more time to emphasize the point. Again, for coolnessrune on your abstinence, but just because you feel uber-responsible doesn't mean that anybody else does or even should have your point of view. And they don't. Plain and simple. So if you would get off of your moral high horse for a minute you would see that you are going to be paying either way, so you might as well choose the option that A. costs you less and B. is less of an economic and social drain on society.

(that option is birth control btw)

Or choose option C: Don't give them free pills, educate them, and if they still mess up then their SOL. Let them take responsibility for their actions.

Yes, I know the "THINK OF THE BABY!!" people will be fussing, but that doesn't change the fact that those girls and boys dug their own grave cause they were stupid. I shouldn't have to pay for that consequence unless I choose to.

So you want the kids to be responsible, yet deny them a powerful tool that would help them be responsible? I sure hope you don't feel the same way about free condoms.

And what is the education you're proposing? Abstinence is the only way to prevent pregnancy and STIs? When used correctly, BC is over 99% effective; condoms about 98%. When used simultaneously, the risks are minimal.

Moreover, there are sexual activities apart from intercourse that are even less risky and contribute to healthy adolescent development (but still benefit from the protection BC and condoms provide).

You're entitled to be celibate befor marriage; just recognize that the majority of young people do not feel this way, and they are entitled to information and tools that help them to express their sexuality more safely.

I completely agree with this and have never contested it. However, I shouldn't have to pay for it.

My friend I alluded to earlier could get condoms if she wanted to and she was smart and did.

If they want to engage in this, let them. They have just as much access without me paying for it. If they are so set on having sex then they can find a way to pay for it.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: amjohns5
Two years ago, when I was in 8th grade, there were two girls in the 6th grade who were pregnant. I though it was impossible, but I guess not. They had like 18 year old boyfriends.

Did their boyfriends live in the same trailer park as they did?

Actually it's usually the higher end chicks that are hanging out with older guys early on.

In the 80's a pretty high number of the eight graders had tried sex at least once. We were all pretty actively messing around. It was a mid to upper middle class neighborhood. One of the girls (eighth grader) would have sex with anyone for $20 then. I didn't mess around with her, but I don't think anyone was thinking that was prostitution...she always had lots of candy and new bags/shoes though.

 

[taltamir]

my parents made sure there were condoms in the house since the first kid (me) hit puberty... And they explained why they have them there.. not as saying that we SHOULD do it... but that if we do, we are better off safe. While I waited till I was out of HS, some of my siblings did not.

I also personally know many people who started sex before the age of 14.

The main problem though, is that they are giving out birth control PILLS and not condoms... while condoms greatly decrease the fun, the birth control pills are hormones that trick the body into thinking it is already pregnant. It has been proven to have far reaching effects on the personality and the body... taking it DURING puberty should be disastrous as the body is still growing and forming and it will probably upset the delicate systems involved.

And to people complaining about "paying for keeping the sluts safe while they pay"... this is just RETARDED! Forgot moral reasoning here. Taxes paying for birth control is an insifinificant FRACTION of the taxes payed for welfare/medicaid/etc for the single parent high school dropout and children.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: amjohns5
Two years ago, when I was in 8th grade, there were two girls in the 6th grade who were pregnant. I though it was impossible, but I guess not. They had like 18 year old boyfriends.

Did their boyfriends live in the same trailer park as they did?

Actually it's usually the higher end chicks that are hanging out with older guys early on.

Way to miss the point of the joke
Besides, I have the same sort of anecdotal evidence as you supporting my statement

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: GoatMonkey
If the government REALLY wants to cut down unplanned pregnancy they should have free condom dispensers in every bar/club bathroom in the country.

They should, they really should!

 

[slackerinabox]

too lazy to quote but
a) thecoolnessrune - abstinence? Awesome. good for you. But to claim moral superiority and call people who have sex in their teens "sluts" or "whores" like you did shows that you are, in fact, judgmental and perhaps have issues dealing with maturity and empathy.

b) "your gf is probably having sex with other people" - that comment was harsh and I apologize for such..but I do know the male and female pscyhe, regardless of my personal relationship turmoil. Too much evidence shows that people enjoy sex, not having sex with one person often leads them to have sex with others. It hasn't really happened to me, I'm not basing this on myself. BUT people are an odd beasts and you can be wonderfully chaste, to put that faith in another 18 year old, especially an 18 year old girl, is asking a lot. Unless she's fat! Hah. i'm an ass, sorry.

 

[taltamir]

yea... an 18 year old girl practicing abstinence is unlikely... female psyche doesn't work this way.

Besides. sex is a wonderful natural things... and at 18 you and her don't even have to contend with any moral stigmata... in fact everyone assumes that you are having sex if you are a couple at that age... so abstaining at that age is merely you practicing your freedom of religion. It does not make others who do not whores, sluts, or morally deficient... please refrain from such demeaning comments towards women... or are you applying the term whore and slut to males aswell? (in which case please refrain from that as well, it is uncalled for)

 

[Kev]

This is retarded. The type of kids who would be having sex in 6th-8th are not going to be responsible enough to take the pill consistently enough for it to be effective, so this is pointless.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: tfinch2
:laugh: @ thecoolnessrune

:laugh: @ the sky

Rub one out and you'll feel better. You have too much tension built up for an 18 year old.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
too lazy to quote but
a) thecoolnessrune - abstinence? Awesome. good for you. But to claim moral superiority and call people who have sex in their teens "sluts" or "whores" like you did shows that you are, in fact, judgmental and perhaps have issues dealing with maturity and empathy.

b) "your gf is probably having sex with other people" - that comment was harsh and I apologize for such..but I do know the male and female pscyhe, regardless of my personal relationship turmoil. Too much evidence shows that people enjoy sex, not having sex with one person often leads them to have sex with others. It hasn't really happened to me, I'm not basing this on myself. BUT people are an odd beasts and you can be wonderfully chaste, to put that faith in another 18 year old, especially an 18 year old girl, is asking a lot. Unless she's fat! Hah. i'm an ass, sorry.

1. Do I have a problem with empathy? Yes, yes I will completely agree with that. My GF most certainly would agree and it's something I'm working on. I apologize.

2. Having sex != maturity. It would be wise to remember that.

3. Am I judgmental? Hell yes.

4. Yes, people enjoy sex, I have no doubt I will have a blast when that time comes. But I haven't had sex with anyone else, nor do i have a desire to. My GF is of the same mindset. Is she fat? No, quite the opposite, she needs to gain a bit more weight. Is she 18? No.

5. Are you an ass? Sure. We both are

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: tfinch2
:laugh: @ thecoolnessrune

:laugh: @ the sky

Rub one out and you'll feel better. You have too much tension built up for an 18 year old.

I do regularly. I have no qualms with masturbation and in fact encourage it.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: taltamir
yea... an 18 year old girl practicing abstinence is unlikely... female psyche doesn't work this way.

Besides. sex is a wonderful natural things... and at 18 you and her don't even have to contend with any moral stigmata... in fact everyone assumes that you are having sex if you are a couple at that age... so abstaining at that age is merely you practicing your freedom of religion. It does not make others who do not whores, sluts, or morally deficient... please refrain from such demeaning comments towards women... or are you applying the term whore and slut to males aswell? (in which case please refrain from that as well, it is uncalled for)

Self-control of sexual urges can always be attained. You don't HAVE to do it. Me and my GF have simply chosen not to.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Kev
This is retarded. The type of kids who would be having sex in 6th-8th are not going to be responsible enough to take the pill consistently enough for it to be effective, so this is pointless.

I call BS... you are assuming that only morally decrepit, irresponsible people would have sex when they hit puberty... This completely disregards human nature and sexual hormones.

heck, a 12 year old is probably more likely to engage in sexual activities then a 15 year old... because they are not as RESPONSIBLE yet.
At 12 I was masturbating 3 times a day and wishing to have a chance sexual encounter with a sexy woman in her early twenties...
At 15 I was deathly afraid of STDs, especially aids, and to a lesser degree teen pregnancy (thank you so much sex ed for introducing those phobia) that I practiced abstinence...
I didn't get over those fears until early in college (where I decided I could trust protection).

Interestingly enough my recent conversation with my younger brother and his friends who are now 15 reveal a similar trend Where they are often too afraid to go all the way with their girlfriends...
How long that will last? no one can tell... but they better have protection when it is needed.
Just not PILL protection because thats bad. (hormones should only come from your body, or to treat an illness)