This is really easy to say when the kids are not yours. If you care about your child and they get pregnant then you will help them one way or another. It will effect your life. Not just theirs. Teaching about this topic is good and it should be #1, but BC is an extra preventative measure when the teaching just are not enough. Let's face it. When has teaching ever been enough for all of humanity? We need more than just that if we want to prevent problems.
It's true. Even the ones who are aware of the option know little to nothing about it other than it helps prevent pregnancy some how. I am in favor of the TSL rule with this subject.
Teach me
Show me
Let me
Exactly. Again, all parents should know it is a part of the program. If they don't then maybe their kids should be the ones deciding since their parents are not paying enough attention to their kid's lives and what is going on around them.
- Nov 1, 2001
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too bad it's a "health center", and just for this bcp reason you won't enroll your child, and then they are denied access to other care within the center.
government provided health center? sounds like some commie bull crap to me. You need to be getting some private health insurance.
Also true, but as another member here already mentioned, the kids can get free BC elsewhere if they do not get from the schools without the parents finding out. The difference is that the school is teaching them about it and making it more readily available. Having options is a good thing. Don't forget that kids are not dumb. Not all of them are going to be rushing to this health center the moment their parents sign the form to get on BC and start screwing like bunnies. The same kids who would be having sex without this program will still be having sex. It's just that now they will be having sex with the knowledge of BC and choose whether or not to use it.
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
I thought I would quote this one more time to emphasize the point. Again,for coolnessrune on your abstinence, but just because you feel uber-responsible doesn't mean that anybody else does or even should have your point of view. And they don't. Plain and simple. So if you would get off of your moral high horse for a minute you would see that you are going to be paying either way, so you might as well choose the option that A. costs you less and B. is less of an economic and social drain on society.
(that option is birth control btw)
Or choose option C: Don't give them free pills, educate them, and if they still mess up then their SOL. Let them take responsibility for their actions.
Yes, I know the "THINK OF THE BABY!!" people will be fussing, but that doesn't change the fact that those girls and boys dug their own grave cause they were stupid. I shouldn't have to pay for that consequence unless I choose to.
You already pay for 18 years of welfare per kid... it makes sense to pay for some preventative pills. Much cheaper.
This is so true. Those who are concerned about the tax dollars need to consider how much money will be saved by reducing the state costs that are related to underage pregnancy. The difference in $$$ here is probably astronomical if it works well.
...as if the world needed any more evidence that homeschooling creates abnormal social tendencies.
worst advocate for homeschooling ever
taltamir
Lifer
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Most people here said that they should be giving away CONDOMS, not prescription drugs...
Many people here were strongly against ANYONE taking hormone pills because of its adverse effects...
And NO school is giving away prescription drugs without parental consent. Those programs require parental consent for the school to supply the kids with contraceptives.
Now that is mean... but holds much truth...
And actually it is not the home schooling that is the problem here... but the description of the TYPE of home schooling he received... this is a case of "my parents wanted me home schooled so that their religious teachings would not be corrupted by evil moral influences"
Then again... who home schools in the first place anyways? This is one of my biggest issues... should I home school my children (when I finally have them) because of the abysmal state of public education (set for lowest denominator). Or should I be concerned that doing so would be bad for their mental redevelopment because it is the home schooling itself thats bad, not the specific parents who usually choose to home school...
alkemyst
No Lifer
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Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
My GF's mother was going to force her to take birth control meds at the threat of certain things etc. My GF came to me saying that since she had no plans of having sex before marriage she didn't want to be put on the pill as she hasn't finished developing and didn't want to tamper with it. So me and her talked it out and then went to her mother, who thankfully listened instead of ignoring me.
If I chose to only listen to people within my family, I'd be pretty stupid
No one ever learned anything by closing their sources.
I find it extremely odd that you would be having such conversation with a girl's mother at barely puberty.
It's not so much that the pills impact puberty though, they help to increase the chance of breast cancer possibliy though. The longer a girl is post-puberty and never pregnant the greater the chance of breast cancer though.
The thing most don't take into account here and ignore is puberty is starting earlier for many kids today. Like it or not puberty is what triggers one's desired to pro-create / have sex. Being younger = more stupid to the risks associated with sex. Add that into parents that are doing everything to get little Jane noticed and it's a disaster.
I think condom distribution would be a smarter way to go though and make available the morning after pill with less parental control. I don't get parents that force their kids to have kids with options that are available today...
Queasy
Moderator<br>Console Gaming
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Only time will tell, but I really do not think that making BC more available to teens will increase STDs. The only thing I believe it will do is reduce unwanted pregnancies. Remember, the idea behind this whole giving out BC in middle schools thing is not meant to substitute education about STDs. That subject is drilled into these kid's heads. They are taught that BC does not prevent STDs and they know that condoms do.
However, people often do forget what they are taught and can easily be mislead by false rumors that tend to spread easily amongst young teenagers. I do believe it would be a good thing if all schools doctors/nurses who are in charge of the BC process be required to verbally inform the students who receive the BC about how it will not prevent STDs and how important it is to take the pills regularly. That should be enough. The rest is up to the students just like it is up to them to have sex or not. No one else can make that decision for them.
TehMac
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Although a lot of Pro-Republicans are against the principles of having unprotected sex, which leads to an unplanned family (which isn't a family) and thus leading a possible breakup, which leads to welfare, which leads to more people doing, which leads to chaos.
There's a reason for marriage, people: In Hungary in the 1950's, Hungarians were very hostile to communism (USSR communism is in theory Marxist, but in reality was a constitutional socialized state, and so were the satellite states). The leaders found Hungarians so resistant was because of their religion (Majority Christians and Jews) and their principles about the family unit. The family unit was keeping the people united against communism, as well as the religion(s) that guided their principles. Subsequently, the leaders subsidized sex, basically, and hunted down churches. With this subsidization, the family unit did not to persist, because of the government throwing out money to these families. So in a nutshell, communism took over.
That is why many Republicans, regardless of religion, do not support an atheist state, they do not support subsidized sex (My term for the government throwing out money to unmarried/unplanned families), because it causes societal damage and could actually erode on the freedoms liberals love to hawk on.
You think I (and they) are being far fetched? Read some history, study the U.S.S.R.
My final word is that look where the communist states are now: messes, albeit recovering.
NOTE: Before peeps get all anal on me for talking about something irrelevant, I was responding to an OP who was confused about Republicans. I felt I had to educate him.
Anubis
No Lifer
Oh really, want to back that up. I had unprotected sex and none of that happened. Of course people have pro-tected sex and that still can happen.
Go back to watching Faux news and Bill Oreally and stop trying to act like you have any sense on what goes on in the real world.
waggy
No Lifer
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yeah. it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth don't it? excuse me while i go do a shot of vodka. that should do it.
though at 15 i didn't reduce the fun. i would have had sex with a full body condom. wouldnt matter. i was getting laid.
now as an adult and married there is no way i would wear one. i hate them heh
The only issue I see with this progression is that the majority of "unplanned families" that end up in on welfare were already on welfare to begin with before the pregnancy or were extremely borderline to the point where it was bound to happen eventually anyways. Those who started out with a little money just break up and then child support kicks in. They rarely end up rich, but I doubt many end up on welfare because of the unplanned pregnancy. People on welfare are on it because they are either lazy or have a made a great many bad decisions in their life which stack much higher than unprotected sex and an unplanned pregnancy.
Btw, there are also a lot of "unplanned families" which end up making much better families than the planned ones. People make or break families. Not unwanted pregnancies. All unwanted pregnancies do is add a challenge. It can be overcome if you are strong enough.
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