Microsoft Windows X I mean 10

[Jaskalas]

They should call it Windows ME 2

Windows ME-U.

 

[Ampersand38]

Surely Wind OS X

 

[bigi]

Just installed VM of corporate preview x64. It looks like current Win7 is my latest MS OS ever.

It is just Win 7 with crappy looking UI and start menu squeezed in.

Nothing new, except the store. Move on.

 

[Printer Bandit]

Did they re-write the kernel?

 

[BoberFett]

he's a cross between sylvester stallone and all of the beatles

I'm not even drinking anything, and I almost spit all over my keyboard...

 

[destrekor]

Did they re-write the kernel?

I don't think it has been confirmed, but most everyone is confident it will be revealed to have NT 6.4, so, no, it has not been rewritten.

I think it would be a given at this point if it had been rewritten: the driver stack would have been changed in some way, and so at least some drivers would need to be drastically changed.

The only true piece being unified doesn't have a whole heck of a lot to do with the main NT kernel, I assume, but rather more with the WinRT that focus on "Metro". You won't really see any main "desktop" functionality all of a sudden with other platforms, this is just more or less making a common development focus using WinRT across all platforms. WinRT is really sort of an add-on, and allowing common development using WinRT doesn't require significant rewriting as would suddenly trying to make the core x86 OS experience a universal system.

The full x86 desktop Windows OS will get the benefit of running the WinRT experience seemlessly alongside the core OS, while the other platforms will still be based around WinRT (Windows Runtime... not WindowsRT - which is similar in practice but Xbox and Windows Phone aren't becoming WindowsRT or vice-versa).

Here's a good quote from the Anandtech article:

Before we can talk about Windows though, we need to briefly discuss the Windows Store. Windows Store apps are executed in WinRT, which is the Windows RunTime, replacing the old Win32 runtime. WinRT has some advantages as a new framework, with the ability to be resolution independent natively, and support the Windows contracts such as Share. At BUILD in 2014, Microsoft announced Universal Apps, which are a key feature of the Windows store that is not available on any other platform. There is a lot of confusion as to what a Universal App is, and what it is not is a single application that runs on a phone, PC, tablet, and console. A Universal App leverages the common WinRT framework available in Windows, Xbox One, and Windows Phone, to allow a developer to share a common code base, but use a suitable UI for each system, and have all of it available on all platforms seamlessly through the Windows Store. It is certainly a lofty idea, and one that has gained a bit of traction in the store. With Windows 10 though, the concept of a Universal App allows a developer to target a phone, Xbox, tablet, and desktop. If anything is the killer feature of Windows 10, this could be it. Time will tell of course and developers need to buy into WinRT for this to be a reality. Today’s announcement is not developer focused, so we will expect more news on the WinRT API updates later on, at the BUILD conference.

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Those of you with the tech preview, you should be able to see the kernel/Windows version. The retail build will be different, but the given point version will be the same.

 

[PliotronX]

And 7 was what Vista was supposed to be; and XP was what ME was supposed to be; and 98 was what 95 was supposed to be; and 3.1 was what 2.1, 2, and 1 were supposed to be.

Seriously, this gets old. I know, I know, how dare I defend MS! Everything they do is crap... Get over it already.

You know what? I never bitched about any of the previous Windows dating back to 3.1, even Vista because I knew it was just weak driver support from device manufacturers and UAC tweaking that it needed. I dual-booted 2000 with ME because some software wouldn't run in 2000 but ME had the improved (ripped from BSD) TCP stack for better broadband multiplayer support and had far less problems with ME than people made it out to be. Windows 8 was a complete disaster in consistency for desktop and notebooks without touchscreens. As if everyone was going to be using 8 on touchscreens. Not to mention it is ugly as sin and the apps are utterly worthless. 7 will have better lasting power than XP which is still holding too strong for its own good.

 

[evident]

let me guess. they are going to completely kill windows media center this time around?

 

[destrekor]

let me guess. they are going to completely kill windows media center this time around?

I will beg and plead and do unspeakable things for Microsoft executives to ensure this doesn't happen.

The writing is on the wall, but it's disgusting that only Microsoft provides the DRM support for subscription cable content. I want my Windows HTPC, or really, I just want a damned awesome HTPC, and I must use WMC due to CableCARD restrictions on premium content.

I don't know if CableLabs has purposefully only allowed Microsoft this right, or if there is some ridiculous reason that only Microsoft can even meet the requirements, or if nobody else has even cared to apply, but this is annoying. CableLabs (basically, a consortium comprised of most of the cable industry) thoroughly enjoys raping the rights of consumers, and only provides the bare minimum required by the law.

The FCC is accepting input on a replacement, AllVid, and that may or may not be the right answer to this particular situation, but it certainly seems and improvement all around compared to the CableCARD approach.

 

[mikeymikec]

possible explanation for why it wasn't named windows 9.

I don't know, if they're going to invest in logic like that, then some developers might only bother paying attention to the first digit in the version number

 

[BoberFett]

I've only ever used Major.Minor for version checking, but no telling how many bad developers are out there.

 

[bradly1101]

10 is one better than 9!

I treated 8 as a 'skip over' OS like ME and Vista. Now it'll be like taking two skips from 7!

 

[darkewaffle]

You know what? I never bitched about any of the previous Windows dating back to 3.1, even Vista because I knew it was just weak driver support from device manufacturers and UAC tweaking that it needed. I dual-booted 2000 with ME because some software wouldn't run in 2000 but ME had the improved (ripped from BSD) TCP stack for better broadband multiplayer support and had far less problems with ME than people made it out to be. Windows 8 was a complete disaster in consistency for desktop and notebooks without touchscreens. As if everyone was going to be using 8 on touchscreens. Not to mention it is ugly as sin and the apps are utterly worthless. 7 will have better lasting power than XP which is still holding too strong for its own good.

My parents had an ME machine for quite some time. It really was as awful as it was reputed to be - terribly unstable at all times. 8 was never even close to that level - I actually never really had a problem with it. Growing pains, etc. The execution is imperfect but I think conceptually it is doing some good things.

 

[lxskllr]

I treated 8 as a 'skip over' OS like ME and Vista. Now it'll be like taking two skips from 7!

Well, that's not good for you. You'll be hitting the bad cycle :^D

 

[BoberFett]

The UI in Windows 8 is crap as far as I'm concerned, but the internals are great. All I want from the next Windows, whatever they call it, is a similarly high quality OS with a better UI.

 

[smackababy]

My parents had an ME machine for quite some time. It really was as awful as it was reputed to be - terribly unstable at all times. 8 was never even close to that level - I actually never really had a problem with it. Growing pains, etc. The execution is imperfect but I think conceptually it is doing some good things.

8.1, which is a free upgrade is better than 8, or so I'm told. I bought 8.1 and have no problems with it from a functional standing. Some minor design arguments I have are regarding things like the calculator on a desktop... It is beyond idiot to have it be full screen and not the old style we are used to. Same with almost all the MS developed apps. They take up the entire screen, removing the taskbar from view, and aren't suited entirely for desktop use.

 

[mnewsham]

8.1, which is a free upgrade is better than 8, or so I'm told. I bought 8.1 and have no problems with it from a functional standing. Some minor design arguments I have are regarding things like the calculator on a desktop... It is beyond idiot to have it be full screen and not the old style we are used to. Same with almost all the MS developed apps. They take up the entire screen, removing the taskbar from view, and aren't suited entirely for desktop use.

You know the normal calculator is still there right?

 

[destrekor]

8.1, which is a free upgrade is better than 8, or so I'm told. I bought 8.1 and have no problems with it from a functional standing. Some minor design arguments I have are regarding things like the calculator on a desktop... It is beyond idiot to have it be full screen and not the old style we are used to. Same with almost all the MS developed apps. They take up the entire screen, removing the taskbar from view, and aren't suited entirely for desktop use.

You know the normal calculator is still there right?

Win+R, type "calc", hit enter
It would be available in the start menu as well, but it's not as quick to get to with that full screen setup.

And really, everything Microsoft added in Windows 8, they didn't take anything away. Some tasks like to default to taking to you the Metro "PC Settings" control panel, but everything can still be done within the original control panel if you know what you are doing.

I understand the controversial UI design choices, but outside of that, I can't see any reason why anyone would skip Windows 10 if they are still on Windows 7 or earlier. It has new features and added abilities, and while the flat and metro UI design is controversial, UI's change over time, it's not that big of deal.
In almost every single metric, Windows 8 and 8.1 were faster than previous versions of Windows. Windows 10 will be taking everything that worked well from the Windows 8 series, adding even more long-term Windows improvements in performance I'm sure, and tweaking some things that weren't well received or ill-conceived (a plus: for Gnome 3, you are still stuck with the overview-shell-style application menu, 3+ years later iirc, unless you use modifications... which is the same as using something like Start8 or what have you in my eye).

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Just installed it on a second partition of my one of my work computers. It's nice looking and the install was extremely fast on a non-SSD. They're continuing to push cloud hard but I don't know how easy that would be to push on an existing enterprise environment. New start menu is really nice actually. Right now the apps are just launched in a Window so I think they need a redesign to look a bit nicer. I'll keep using to play around with it.

 

[Maximilian]

You know what? I never bitched about any of the previous Windows dating back to 3.1, even Vista because I knew it was just weak driver support from device manufacturers and UAC tweaking that it needed. I dual-booted 2000 with ME because some software wouldn't run in 2000 but ME had the improved (ripped from BSD) TCP stack for better broadband multiplayer support and had far less problems with ME than people made it out to be. Windows 8 was a complete disaster in consistency for desktop and notebooks without touchscreens. As if everyone was going to be using 8 on touchscreens. Not to mention it is ugly as sin and the apps are utterly worthless. 7 will have better lasting power than XP which is still holding too strong for its own good.

Yeah that was my major beef with windows 8... what they put out two years ago was exactly as planned, it was designed that way, it was meant to be like that. Bugs can always be fixed but a bad design? Thats pretty unfixable, especially if it takes the company years to acknowledge they screwed up and backpeddle on it.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Okay I can't find Active Directory tools. Bleh.

 

[MongGrel]

let me guess. they are going to completely kill windows media center this time around?

I wish.

 

[destrekor]

I wish.

What the shit?

 

[bradly1101]

It just better have Media Center, that's been my TV watching system since XP.

 

[Insomniator]

You know what? I never bitched about any of the previous Windows dating back to 3.1, even Vista because I knew it was just weak driver support from device manufacturers and UAC tweaking that it needed. I dual-booted 2000 with ME because some software wouldn't run in 2000 but ME had the improved (ripped from BSD) TCP stack for better broadband multiplayer support and had far less problems with ME than people made it out to be. Windows 8 was a complete disaster in consistency for desktop and notebooks without touchscreens. As if everyone was going to be using 8 on touchscreens. Not to mention it is ugly as sin and the apps are utterly worthless. 7 will have better lasting power than XP which is still holding too strong for its own good.

This exactly. I dealt with ME and Vista just fine. I mean, I actually preferred vista to XP just for the modernness... yeah there was some home networking and driver bullshit but I didn't think it was a big deal. 8 however... god... metro, apps, store, all AWFUL. You know what? I think I hate Server 2012 even more. Metro on a ****ing server?! WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT. Every day working with new 2012 servers people were saying hmm how do I get this side bar to come up... hmm how do I log out... hmmm where is the real control panel...

8.1 was even more of a slap in the face. 'Yeah we're bringing back the start menu!' And it just brings up the metro screen? **** you.

Seriously, all my hatred is simply the start menu and metro (and the app store that comes with it). I have 8.1 on my every day computer and its fine, because I have Classic Start Menu installed and its exactly like 7. I never see the metro screen, and I'm not logged into any stupid microsoft cloud account.