What if your hardware is too old to have it?Well if you build your own stuff it should be easy to find that option in the BIOS, that's what I did.
And Microsoft too. If they don't charge for Windows upgrades, the last time Microsoft got any money from these Sandy Bridges and Ivy Bridges and Haswells was probably when they were shipped with a Win7 OEM licence.Methinks AMD and Intel told Microsoft that without some software obsolescence, they and their investors would get screwed over by all these old ass Sandy Bridges to first round of Skylakes....that people refuse to drop fully.
Put some other free OS on it or leave it on Win10?What if your hardware is too old to have it?
Leave it on Win10 means... junking it sometime in 2025.Put some other free OS on it or leave it on Win10?
Here's a detailed analysis of what MS said:What happend to Win10 is the last Windows to be produced?
15 years is a fair bit of time to continue getting free support.Leave it on Win10 means... junking it sometime in 2025.
Because hardware eventually becomes obsolete. Windows tries to support too much hardware as it is.But that's ignoring the bigger question - why is it that high-end Haswells or Skylake DIY systems are out of luck, while the N4500 laptop with 4 gigs of RAM and 64 gigs of eMMC at Worst Buy is "perfectly" able to run Windows 11?
Yeah, I guess that marketing were less than impressed with that idea. Even so even if Win10 was the last numbered version of Windows there's no reason why Windows would have to support every bit of hardware that's existed in perpetuity.(Not to mention, as someone upthread said, all these promises about Windows as a service, Windows 10 being the last version of Windows, etc. are now being revealed to be complete lies.)
15 years? Depending on what the actual reality is on pre-8th-gen Intel CPUs, we could be looking at 7-8 years.15 years is a fair bit of time to continue getting free support.
Are they giving me the option to pay for the latest software? No.Because hardware eventually becomes obsolete. Windows tries to support too much hardware as it is.
Yeah, I guess that marketing were less than impressed with that idea. Even so even if Win10 was the last numbered version of Windows there's no reason why Windows would have to support every bit of hardware that's existed in perpetuity.
Theres something weird about people being outraged at not being given the latest software for free to run on the oldest hardware.
It's Christmas Day sir! It's a thing there too! I know I'm late, but I just had to tell you.Being from the UK this doesn't mean much to me, which holiday?
Not impressed with the Microsoft account thing. I don't mind using one but I don't want my kids having to use one, particularly the youngest.
Even Kaby Lake (7700k, etc) launched 4 years ago not compatible.Methinks AMD and Intel told Microsoft that without some software obsolescence, they and their investors would get screwed over by all these old ass Sandy Bridges to first round of Skylakes....that people refuse to drop fully.
Yes, you are right about there being no guarantee. On the other hand, I figured it was pretty much guaranteed that the TPM boards would quickly become unobtainable if they were needed. At worst, I suppose I can chalk it off as cheap insurance.Shoulda waited since MS is saying that Skylake is not supported. It may still work but there's no guarantee that the final version of 11 will install.
And that's the great insult from my POV - my 7700 non-K, junk. Some low-end laptop with an N4050, 4 gigs of RAM, 64 gig eMMC, supported.Even Kaby Lake (7700k, etc) launched 4 years ago not compatible.
Zen 1 isn't supported either. I almost wonder if there is some random instruction added to Zen+ and Coffee Lake that Microsoft wants to baseline on.For the first time in Windows history, Microsoft is looking at how old your equipment is rather than how capable it is. This is an earth-shattering shift.
Or that they want to give themselves the option to baseline on in the first feature upgrade to Windows 11.Zen 1 isn't supported either. I almost wonder if there is some random instruction added to Zen+ and Coffee Lake that Microsoft wants to baseline on.
Me too. All I did was run MBR2GPT and switched the BIOS over without reinstalling.Well this has taken me down a rabbit hole. All this time I thought I was using UEFI, but wasn't. Sad thing is I had to reinstall Windows to fix it. Wasn't using TPM either, but I am now. Bring it on Windows 11!!!
Only other thing I can think of is that it's related to Spectre/Meltdown fixes that Coffee Lake/Zen+ have but not earlier.Or that they want to give themselves the option to baseline on in the first feature upgrade to Windows 11.
tpm.msc for what you have enabled. motherboard manual or web for what board supports.Does secure boot have to be enabled? Or just a board capable of it? Also how do I know what TPM my board(s) have?
It is not so simple, because not everyone respected the agreements with Microsoft.It doesn't seem to be the case this time, Microsoft started demanding OEMs to ship TPM 2.0 enabled by default on new models ever since 2016.
and they were making arguably good use of it already:
I simply can't understand why they waited so much time without warning consumers too. All they needed to do was to start with OEMs in 2016 and announce consumers in 2018 that starting with 2020 TPM enabled devices will get front row seats for Windows updates and features. Nice 2 year cadence, no drama.
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