Michael Moore trashes "American Sniper"

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smackababy

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I guess making terrible movies hasn't been working out so well lately. He has to start posting idiotic crap on twitter to stay relevant.
 

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Crawl back into your cheeto bag and STFU Michael Moore, you fat steaming pile of dog shit!
 

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Moore is kind of brilliant imo. He is a msgboard troll that figured out how to monetize his talent.
 

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He also makes the worse films ever. Disguised as documentary's but so full of slant as to be laughable.
 

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This and nothing but this. He is an attention whore.

Let's face it, we have a bunch of people who basically make a career out of it. I'd say just take a look at the "experts" cable news bring on to discuss whatever the soup du jour is. Any expertise on the topic? Who gives a shit!
 

smackababy

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He also makes the worse films ever. Disguised as documentary's but so full of slant as to be laughable.

He at least has to courtesy to make them entertaining to watch. Alex Jones, on the other hand, could put a crack addict to sleep with his boring garbage. If I am going to watch garbage, it had better be entertaining!
 

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As much as his actual criticism of Snipers as a whole are BS, he's right about the actual American Sniper guy who they based this story on. The guy is a douchebag.



Anybody who's claim to fame is how many human lives they took is up there with ted bundy and suicide bombers in skillset. He should have far more regard for human life. He also generally describes the kills like they were fun. He's all about murdering vietnamese, and he feels that murdering those people makes him somebody special.


He is the same as the suicide bombers that Palestinians glorify, just an American version. They both kill large numbers of "kuffars" or "g**ks" or whatever denigrating name they call their enemies and that is their entire life's work.
 

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As much as his actual criticism of Snipers as a whole are BS, he's right about the actual American Sniper guy who they based this story on. The guy is a douchebag.



Anybody who's claim to fame is how many human lives they took is up there with ted bundy and suicide bombers in skillset. He should have far more regard for human life. He also generally describes the kills like they were fun. He's all about murdering vietnamese, and he feels that murdering those people makes him somebody special.


He is the same as the suicide bombers that Palestinians glorify, just an American version. They both kill large numbers of "kuffars" or "g**ks" or whatever denigrating name they call their enemies and that is their entire life's work.

You are taking a small view on the issue, only looking at the man. The US government gave him the training, the missions, and the license to perform those acts. As the movie shows, it caused him terrible psychological issues. He was used as a vessel to kill for people that gave the order. You can't belittle him without examining the mechanisms behind his acts, us and our government.
 

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As much as his actual criticism of Snipers as a whole are BS, he's right about the actual American Sniper guy who they based this story on. The guy is a douchebag.



Anybody who's claim to fame is how many human lives they took is up there with ted bundy and suicide bombers in skillset. He should have far more regard for human life. He also generally describes the kills like they were fun. He's all about murdering vietnamese, and he feels that murdering those people makes him somebody special.


He is the same as the suicide bombers that Palestinians glorify, just an American version. They both kill large numbers of "kuffars" or "g**ks" or whatever denigrating name they call their enemies and that is their entire life's work.

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I wouldn't say he's a coward. I mean he did get wounded in the fighting too from what I read on wikipedia. It's not like he was sitting in a US office picking who to kill with a drone using a joystick.
But we are over-glorifying these sorts of violent jobs. Let's face it, he got a movie made about him because of how many people he killed.
 

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You are taking a small view on the issue, only looking at the man. The US government gave him the training, the missions, and the license to perform those acts. As the movie shows, it caused him terrible psychological issues. He was used as a vessel to kill for people that gave the order. You can't belittle him without examining the mechanisms behind his acts, us and our government.

And what about a terrorist that undergoes years of training by Fatah or Hamas? Do you think they have "caused" any psychological stress? That IS the military of the Palestinians. They think the EXACT same way: KILL KILL KILL. I assume that if in Lebanon they made a documentary about the Beruit Barracks bombers you would also consider their "horrible psychological stress" and being "used as a vessel" to kill over 200 enemy soldiers, US marines no less? What a wonderful documentary that would be, I'm sure you'd feel the same sympathy for what they went through, considering they were fighting an occupation on their land by the most powerful nation on earth. If anything, their cause of removing the US from Lebanon was far more noble than the US's cause of "stopping communism".


This guy is just another killer. People like him are a dime a dozen, and frankly they are worth less than that.



Stop glorifying a murderer. And he's not even a likable murderer. He is scum, listen to his interviews. He has zero regard for human life.
 

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I wouldn't say he's a coward. I mean he did get wounded in the fighting too from what I read on wikipedia. It's not like he was sitting in a US office picking who to kill with a drone using a joystick.
But we are over-glorifying these sorts of violent jobs. Let's face it, he got a movie made about him because of how many people he killed.

I didn't call him a coward. He's a psychopathic killer. He is no coward.




He just has zero regard whatsoever for human life. Especially vietnamese human life, and he is specific about his hatred for them. He doesn't mince words about his prejudice.
 

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I seen the movie, and couldn't ignore the moral damage this sniper experienced from his killing of foreigners simply protecting their own terra firma from invaders.

If the shoe were on the other foot?
If they were here in our neighborhoods going from house to house weeding out, oh say Christians, and they had a sniper on a roof, and your grandmother came out with an explosive ready to toss it, well you'd believe dead granny a hero.
And you probably wouldn't exactly enjoy some military from another land going thru your neighborhood, door to door.

It's so fucked-up.

They protect their homeland and we call ourselves hero's for invading in the name of, in the name of, well, whatever name you want to apply.
And they come out, including the weakest of the weak, defending their homeland, and we can't seem to grasp their goal for survival?

Yeah and sure, the movie looks great and acted really well, and much flag waving.
But does anyone realize what is really going on here?
We are naturally perceived the aggressor coming into their own back yards, and we can't understand their resistance?

Since when have we become so screwed up?
I mean, why are gun sales in the US going nuts, and our own citizens believe their own government is the enemy out to get them?
We fear us, they fear us. Something in common, perhaps?

The sniper was there to protect his men, US troops. All good and well.
But why are we even there in the first place?
When we were attacked on 911 by foreigners, we know how we felt to experience outside invasion from another land.

And why do you think so many of the soldiers asked to do the dirty work came back into society so messed up?
This story was true, and as successful as the sniper was, he came back totally screwed up and morally fell apart.
It was not until he became involved with the healing precess, and not the killing process, that he started to regain his moral sanity and ability to cope.

I'm not supporting Moore, he's probably just paving the road for some new film on the drawing board.
The issue is, maybe we should re-think before freely tossing around the word hero.

I truly doubt that ten year old assassin had anything to do with 911.
And the family that did try to help the American forces were eventually massacred by their own. Not so much of an unreasonable reaction.
After 911, when some Americans questioned our response and involvement for revenge, our own government security wasted little time in shutting them down.
Certainly questioning their motives.
So much for freedom of speech.

After this film ended, and people began leaving the theater, I hardly felt a chest busting sense of American patriotism.
I felt this misguided episode in American tragedy was little to celebrate.
Who really knows Clint Eastwood's intensions?
Clint created this same morality check theme in his western film, UNFORGIVEN.
But this film was no raising of the American flag on Iwo Jima type of victory.
It's pretty fucked up to believe killing some child with fears of foreign invaders coming into his home should qualify under the definition as American patriotism.

Point missed, the hero of the film, THE SNIPER, certainly did not think so.
 

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And what about a terrorist that undergoes years of training by Fatah or Hamas? Do you think they have "caused" any psychological stress? That IS the military of the Palestinians. They think the EXACT same way: KILL KILL KILL. I assume that if in Lebanon they made a documentary about the Beruit Barracks bombers you would also consider their "horrible psychological stress" and being "used as a vessel" to kill over 200 enemy soldiers, US marines no less? What a wonderful documentary that would be, I'm sure you'd feel the same sympathy for what they went through, considering they were fighting an occupation on their land by the most powerful nation on earth. If anything, their cause of removing the US from Lebanon was far more noble than the US's cause of "stopping communism".


This guy is just another killer. People like him are a dime a dozen, and frankly they are worth less than that.



Stop glorifying a murderer. And he's not even a likable murderer. He is scum, listen to his interviews. He has zero regard for human life.

You missed my point. We are this man. This man killed completely legally and with a pat on the back from the military. It is not about him, its about us and the people that order him.

And yes, suicide bombers are even more of a vessel than this man. They actually end their life in the process of following the orders of their regime.
 

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You missed my point. We are this man. This man killed completely legally and with a pat on the back from the military. It is not about him, its about us and the people that order him.

And yes, suicide bombers are even more of a vessel than this man. They actually end their life in the process of following the orders of their regime.

I guess on the purpose of historical documentary it is a good movie. I have no issue with the movie at all, and I'll probably pay to see it this weekend. However, this man is not a hero.


I suppose I did miss your point. I am not debating that he was used, and put under massive stress. That doesn't change the fact that as a human being I find him very distasteful. I have not seen the movie but I have seen all the interviews with the real guy. I assume the movie is different, lol.


He may very well have turned out to be a totally normal guy without vietnam and maybe he is a victim too. I just don't like the way he talks about taking human life.