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Mexicans, the lowest of Hispanic Class?

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Originally posted by: JS80
guatemala and el salvador is "lower class" than mexico
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Being born in El Salvador, I guess I'm one of those "lower class" people.
I have never really cared what people call me. I must admit, though, that the recent rallies by mostly Mexicans has given me a bit of a negative feeling when someone calls me a Mexican.
Having European ancestry, I have had people call me: Mexican,Italian, Persian and even Filipino.
When people aske me what nationality I am, my reply is "American".
 
I know that the ricans don't like the Mexicans. The difference there is that PR is a part of the US, Mexico is not.
 
Originally posted by: axnff
I've found that even people from Mexico dislike being called "Mexican". I have a (first-generation American) friend of Honduran origin, he detests being called Mexican. I have several close Mexican (as in, legal immigrants, Mexican- not US- Citizens) that hate being called "Mexican". It seems like ALL hispanics either want to be called "Hispanic" ("latino" and "latina" do not cut it, at least from black/white/mixed people) or to reference their actual country of origin, so long as it's not Mexico....
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I dont see why mexicans would hate being called what they are. It has more to do with trying to leave the stereotype than anything else. I think that LATINA and LATINO sound like stupid buzz words that scream PRIDE everywhere. I think we should stick with country derivatives, because there is no Hispania. People should suck it up and stop whining.

The goverment created hispanic so they dont have 5 million checkboxes on forms.

 
Interesting....I guess it makes sense from a national-pride, tired-of-being-incorrectly-labeled, kind of thing.

The only class/elitism differences I'd heard of were between fairer skinned Hispanics (richer) and darker skinnned Hispanics (poorer).
 
I have met some really nice people from Puerto Rico when I was in the Army. People are the same everywhere. Some are good and some are bad. I was in the military and I also went overseas with my father when he was in the Air Force, so I have lived for extended periods in foreign counturies and in Alaska. You can not really appreciate the USA until you live some place like Korea or Italy, or some other location. I think living in the USA is a privilige worth fighting for.

My wife had to go to the US Embassy and ask permission to marry me and go through a background investigation just so we could get married and move to the United States. There should be some kind of background investigation or at least a search for warrants or criminal backgrounds on Immigrants through the southern border. You know there have to be a bunch of gangster types just walking into the United States through our southern border. Besides that some people just come here to go to school on an education visa and decide to never leave from all over the place. It is a waste of time passing more laws if we dont enforce the laws we have.
 
my GF is Nicaraguan, and the ones she would most take offense to is probably Salvadorian. Where we live, the majority of the hispanics that are the ones who stand outside 7-11 in the morning to find work are Salvadorian. I guess you just have to be around this stuff all the time to really know why it could bother another hispanic.

but if someone said to my GF "hey are you from brazil?" she probably wouldn't care nearly as much as if they thought she was from El Salvador.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
guatemala and el salvador is "lower class" than mexico
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My wife is salvadorian and would probably say the opposite. People have told me salvadorians look at mexicans like americans look at rednecks. I guess it all depends on who you ask.
 
I was in a gas station during Ramadan and gave the traditional greeting "Kareem Ramadan" (Happy Holidays) to an arab. He asked me ( irish ginger) where I learded that. He was very excited to have a conversation and when I told him I learned it on the assembly line from a Yeman co worker he visibly blanched and muttered in a dissgusted voice
"Yemen" and was done talking to me.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: miri
Oriental is eastern Asian people, slanted eyes, black hair, flat face, yellow skin
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rugs are oriental, people are asian
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wrong. India is in Asia, all the "stans" are in asia but they are not oriental in race.
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: miri
Oriental is eastern Asian people, slanted eyes, black hair, flat face, yellow skin
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rugs are oriental, people are asian
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wrong. India is in Asia, all the "stans" are in asia but they are not oriental in race.
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my point was that the adjective "oriental" is usually used to describe objects, not persons.
 
Take this as another analogy. Let's say you're trained as an electrical engineer. You go to work, some people start calling you a mechanical engineer. In general, wouldn't you correct them and say "no, I'm an electrical engineer"? Some may even be offended as there are people who consider mechnical engineering inferior to electrical engineering and would say something like "duh, can't you tell by what I'm working on that I'm an electrical engineer?"

Sure both are part of the engineering field, both are similar YET DISTINCT with many overlapping fields of interest, maybe even the same classes are required to be taken by both disciplines, but I think most would agree that they are not the same.

I think what it come down to is people want to be recognized for what they are. Every culture is unique, regardless of some shared experiences, physiology, or traits. When one gets combined into a larger classifcation, a lot of that uniqueness that makes a person or group who they are disappear.

You may not be offended when somebody lumps you into a larger category, but that doesn't mean that when somebody does get offended that they're "whack", "sensitive", "PC", or whatever. Shouldn't everybody be called what they want to be called? If your name is Bob and I elect to call you Stan, isn't that just me being an ass?
 
Originally posted by: JeepinEd
Originally posted by: JS80
guatemala and el salvador is "lower class" than mexico
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Being born in El Salvador, I guess I'm one of those "lower class" people.
I have never really cared what people call me. I must admit, though, that the recent rallies by mostly Mexicans has given me a bit of a negative feeling when someone calls me a Mexican.
Having European ancestry, I have had people call me: Mexican,Italian, Persian and even Filipino.
When people aske me what nationality I am, my reply is "American".
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i wasn't stating it as fact. i was stating it as my perceived stereotype. i personally don't believe it, but i noticed a lot of mexicans have pride.
 
Originally posted by: pulse8
They probably see it that way, but South American and Caribbean hispanics are also pretty different from Mexicans.
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It is because they get called that all the time, and they don't want to be generalized into a group they aren't a part of.

Actually, Mexico is more well off then other South American nations. They have an immigration problem themselves. The only difference between them and us is that they ignore international pressure and don't get that much for putting half their army at the border to shoot down or pressure illegals. It is so hypocritical.

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It is the same as an Anglo-Saxon getting perturbed because you call them Caucasian. It has happened to me. :roll:
I mean, give me a break, I don't get in a huff because people call me Chinese. I mean I am Taiwanese and it all originated from China anyways, but :roll: . It is ridiculous.
 
my nicaraguan friend in HS, a really hot hispanic chick came up and hit on him, but he didn't go out with her. I asked why, he said she's Mexican. And he had that, she's a lower class whore tone when he said that.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
my nicaraguan friend in HS, a really hot hispanic chick came up and hit on him, but he didn't go out with her. I asked why, he said she's Mexican. And he had that, she's a lower class whore tone when he said that.
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Beat the guy up for being an idiot. Then date the hispanic girl and have her beat him up too.
 
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: maddogchen
my nicaraguan friend in HS, a really hot hispanic chick came up and hit on him, but he didn't go out with her. I asked why, he said she's Mexican. And he had that, she's a lower class whore tone when he said that.
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Beat the guy up for being an idiot. Then date the hispanic girl and have her beat him up too.
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well if I could go back in time to HS, maybe....
 
very common knowledge in the construction field ... hondurans on the top .. mexicans on the bottom ...

from personal experience - hondurans are smart / hardworking (honesty is an issue)
mexicans - honest / hardworking (smartness is absent)

food cart for mexican worker > owns hondurans and american hot dog carts/ vans ...

i never miss a chance to eat from those mexican foodvans at a jobsite ... great food ...

yeah i am classist ...
 
Originally posted by: Compton
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: miri
Oriental is eastern Asian people, slanted eyes, black hair, flat face, yellow skin
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rugs are oriental, people are asian
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You are an idiot.
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QFT!!
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Actually, he is right about that. Oriental means material or a product from the Orient, people are Asian.
But anyone who takes offense to someone saying Oriental is a freaking idiot.
 
When I went to Spain everyone there thought I was Chinese

When I went to Morocco, everyone there thought I was Japanese

Im neither and was not offended
 
outside of literal definitions, there is just something cheesy about the word "oriental" that just makes asians not like it. It's like we exist to make rugs, cheap chinese food, and vases because those are the context that word is used to describe the most in America. Asian is at least more respectable.

As for this whole Hispanic/Latin = Mexican thing, all asians are referred to as Chinese in general. Nothing wrong with them, but it is annoying when all other countries, especially the country of origin that we hold dear to automatically gets discounted.
 
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