Mexican shot dead while throwing rocks at Border guards

[CitizenKain]

You are fat? That sucks

I'm sure you and spidey could share a rascal.

 

[nick1985]

I'm sure you and spidey could share a rascal.

I'm actually in shape, fatass.

 

[Red Dawn]

When I was in my early twenties somewhere around 28 years ago this kid from my old neighborhood got in a fist fight with this 30 yr old guy and got his clocked cleaned. He had it coming so it was no big deal he was 18 and knew what he was doing. Well in his frustration he scoops up a nice fist sized rock and chucks it at the guy. Hit the guy in the back of the head and caved in his skull. He died the next day. Kid went to prison for manslaughter. So a reasonable case can be made that the guard met deadly force with deadly force.

The worth of his life was determined by his own actions. Maybe rocks don't seem deadly to you but I have first hand knowledge that they can be very deadly.

Have you've seen the video?

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Have you've seen the video?

So, should the BP have shouted bad words and retreated further from the border? Hardly seems like defending the country to me. Judging from the video, it may not have been necessary to fire directly at the kid; a few shots around his feet would have been enough.

 

[Zargon]

that video did not help the BP agent much, but the quality sucked, for all we know rocks were flying everywhere

 

[Red Dawn]

So, should the BP have shouted bad words and retreated further from the border? Hardly seems like defending the country to me. Judging from the video, it may not have been necessary to fire directly at the kid; a few shots around his feet would have been enough.

Well in the video it didn't look like he was surrounded and there were only two or three Mexicans who were about 50 feet away, not anywhere near how the BP described it. It really didn't seem like deadly force was necessary.

When I read the original description as given from by the BP I was picturing a more dire situation.

 

[Zargon]

also i will say that they never shoot to do anthing but kill.

you dont shoot to scare or wound

I also expected a worse looking situation

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Well in the video it didn't look like he was surrounded and there were only two or three Mexicans who were about 50 feet away, not anywhere near how the BP described it. It really didn't seem like deadly force was necessary.

When I read the original description as given from by the BP I was picturing a more dire situation.

Okay do me a favor. Grab some nice sized rocks and the go look for an officer making an arrest. Stay about 50 ft away and then start chucking those rocks at the officer as hard as you can and report back to us with the results.

 

[waggy]

with the mexican military sitting on the boarder pointing guns at the BP i think its time to put more US forces on the boarder.

this is not something that mexico really wants to contineu. it will end badly for the people. if it does more poeple are going to call for the boarder to be locked down.

I also agree with werepussy's ideas on boarder control

 

[DucatiMonster696]

that video did not help the BP agent much, but the quality sucked, for all we know rocks were flying everywhere

You are right it was not good quality but the commentary in the background by the people standing nearby the person who shot the video was that they were throwing rocks at the officer. So it was very apparent to the people on the bridge over that far of a distance that people who were involved were throwing rocks at the BP officer.

 

[werepossum]

also i will say that they never shoot to do anthing but kill.

you dont shoot to scare or wound

I also expected a worse looking situation

FIfty feet with a pistol while having large rocks chucked at him? I seriously doubt he hit the kid in the head because he was aiming for the head. Most likely he was aiming for the center of mass or general direction and got lucky enough to hit one, stopping the rock-throwing but unfortunately killing the kid.

(Not unfortunate to me, of course, but definitely unfortunate to the kid and his friends and family.)

 

[Red Dawn]

Okay do me a favor. Grab some nice sized rocks and the go look for an officer making an arrest. Stay about 50 ft away and then start chucking those rocks at the officer as hard as you can and report back to us with the results.

Wipe your ass boy. All I said was in the video it didn't seem like deadly force was necessary and that the situation wasn't as dire as the description given by the BP..you know that he was surrounded by rock throwing Mexicans.

 

[potion]

with the mexican military sitting on the boarder pointing guns at the BP

Those were Federal Police, not military. Mexican blood spilled on Mexican soil and emotions are running high. The media likes to sensationalize.

Interesting things from the video:

BP agent was not surrounded.

BP agent fired in two separate series. First round of shots missed. Sometime later, he fires again, killing the boy. This suggests:

1. Kid was stupid enough to continue throwing rocks even after the BP agent had shot at him and demonstrated that he was willing to kill in response to the rock throwing.

2. Kid took cover behind the concrete pillar after the initial round of fire. Kid comes out later, not to throw rocks, and is shot dead.

 

[CitizenKain]

I'm actually in shape, fatass.

Think of all the money you'll save when you guys go down to defend america from brown people then.

 

[her209]

Hot Latina newscasters are hot.

She certainly likes to accentuate her rolled R's.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Wipe your ass boy. All I said was in the video it didn't seem like deadly force was necessary and that the situation wasn't as dire as the description given by the BP..you know that he was surrounded by rock throwing Mexicans.

You don't have to be surrounded to be in dire threat and what it seemed like to you was all done in the context of a person distantly removed from the situation after the fact.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Think of all the money you'll save when you guys go down to defend america from brown people then.

Ah the race card. Where would the pro-illegal crowd be without it??

 

[Wheezer]

Hey you bring rocks to a gunfight what do you expect?

Silly Mexicans...rocks are for kids.

 

[Daedalus685]

Why are you guys celebrating that a kid had to die?

Certainly the border guard is within his right to guard the border but when the system is so fucking broken it comes to this there are certainly bigger problems around..

Certainly there are ways to avoid lethal confrontations, threats speak pretty strongly most of the time, specially when accompanied by a gun pointing... but why on earth is it allowed to escalate to a group of folks throwing rocks? How the hell do you guys tolerate the law and order being so damn low on the border?

Someone died, that is not something to give a thumbs up to... Fix your god damned border so it doesn't have to happen again.... Perhaps start by throwing the folks who hire people without a green card in jail? If you are so attached to free labor then give them day/week passes to come in legally, I'd have to figure they would bring less rocks if they just had to wait in line for a day pass...

 

[bfdd]

Why are you guys celebrating that a kid had to die?

Certainly the border guard is within his right to guard the border but when the system is so fucking broken it comes to this there are certainly bigger problems around..

Certainly there are ways to avoid lethal confrontations, threats speak pretty strongly most of the time, specially when accompanied by a gun pointing... but why on earth is it allowed to escalate to a group of folks throwing rocks? How the hell do you guys tolerate the law and order being so damn low on the border?

Someone died, that is not something to give a thumbs up to... Fix your god damned border so it doesn't have to happen again.... Perhaps start by throwing the folks who hire people without a green card in jail? If you are so attached to free labor then give them day/week passes to come in legally, I'd have to figure they would bring less rocks if they just had to wait in line for a day pass...

Then they would have to pay taxes and come through legal means like everyone else. They can't have that, how would they make any money to send home? Look I'm all for total immigration reform we need it. It's ridiculous how hard it is to migrate to this country, but at the same time I'm not about to tell our BP not to shoot and kill people who throw rocks at them. I don't care if those people are 5ft away, 50ft away or 500ft away. If you throw rocks and they land anywhere near our boarder patrol expect to get shot at.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Someone died, that is not something to give a thumbs up to... Fix your god damned border so it doesn't have to happen again.... Perhaps start by throwing the folks who hire people without a green card in jail?

The great state of Arizona is doing exactly all that you are suggesting but they are being challenged by the Obama administration on this issue in the courts and vilified as racists by the pro-illegal crowd.

 

[Daedalus685]

Then they would have to pay taxes and come through legal means like everyone else. They can't have that, how would they make any money to send home? Look I'm all for total immigration reform we need it. It's ridiculous how hard it is to migrate to this country, but at the same time I'm not about to tell our BP not to shoot and kill people who throw rocks at them. I don't care if those people are 5ft away, 50ft away or 500ft away. If you throw rocks and they land anywhere near our boarder patrol expect to get shot at.

The point is that they should never get to throwing rocks... your border should at least infer some semblance of respect in these people...

I think the BP guard is likely not very good at his job if he fires off his gun in response to rocks a few dozen feet away... Who here has not had a rock thrown at them at one point in their lives... there are other ways to deal with the situation. Those include firing off 'warning shots' (though this would be strictly forbidden by any Canadian BP... mind you it is mentioned as a crowd dispersal tool to soldiers), having more god damned guards and arresting people the old fashioned way, bringing out the various crowd dispersal weapons they are parading around Toronto lately.

If some kid got killed by police for this same thing I'd be damned pissed the kid was dead... but even more pissed the ineptness of the security allowed it to escalate as far as it did.

I'm not advocating you let immigrants in for free... just that legitimizing 'day work' would go a long way towards solving the lack of order. I'd personally be more inclined to punish folks for not meeting minimum wage laws and watch the immigrants disappear as locals start doing the same work now that they get paid for it.. But there are obviously huge problems with how something is being done... there is no reason folks have to die because of it.

 

[Daedalus685]

The great state of Arizona is doing exactly all that you are suggesting but they are being challenged by the Obama administration on this issue in the courts and vilified as racists by the pro-illegal crowd.

It was my understanding that Arizona was focusing on punishment (that is rounding up and deporting) as opposed to prevention. You can send as many mice out of your house as you want but if you don't clean up the pile of cheese they will be back in numbers the next day.

Though I will freely admit we don't see many Americans trying to jump the border to work for a dollar an hour here... Just the odd few in cornwal who come to the local free clinic.. lol.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

After watching the video that has popped up I can't see how the BP's description is at all accurate. I thought he was literally surrounded (5-10 people) and had no place to go and fired the shots as a means to defend himself/escape. As soon as he arrived all the illegals seemed to scamper off except the one he grabbed. I understand him feeling in danger by having rocks thrown at him but, he was even wearing a helmet and was at quite the distance.

I don't have a problem with him firing his gun up in the air or in the ground to scare them off. Firing to kill some people throwing rocks at the distance they were at though? :/

 

[palehorse]

It was my understanding that Arizona was focusing on punishment (that is rounding up and deporting) as opposed to prevention. You can send as many mice out of your house as you want but if you don't clean up the pile of cheese they will be back in numbers the next day.

He was referring to the latest move by Obama and Co. here:

Justice Dept. Challenges Arizona Over Other Immigration Law Targeting Employers
3 June 2010
The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overturn an appeals court decision that upheld Arizona's right to punish employers for hiring illegal immigrants.

So, it looks like the Federal Govn't has no interest in cleaning up the "pile of cheese" you mentioned...