Metallica boots Bob Rock!

[Reckoner]

Some of the best rhythm guitar work I've heard imo.

 

[Pepsi90919]

And Justice for All had four good songs (the title track, One, To Live is to Die, and The Eye of the Beholder) and the rest were either generic thrash or plagued with a lack of bass guitar and a horrible drum sound. Just listen to the *TAP* *TAP* *TAP* in the beginning of Blackened. Totally weak.

i'm listening to that song now and the production sounds great to me. i miss the days when everything was recorded analog and actually lifelike. are you just complaining that there's no reverb on the snare?

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Blasphemy. Those songs you mentioned kick ass. Nothing good since RtL? What about And Justice for All? That's one of their best CDs.

And Justice for All had four good songs (the title track, One, To Live is to Die, and The Eye of the Beholder) and the rest were either generic thrash or plagued with a lack of bass guitar and a horrible drum sound. Just listen to the *TAP* *TAP* *TAP* in the beginning of Blackened. Totally weak.

Don't forget Dyers Eve, one of the best guitar solos of all time in that song.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*GASP*

Try playing it.

What does that have to do with anything?

I said it was one of the best.. not THE Best. Obviously Gilmour, Steve Vai, Satriani and Hendrix have played some longass solos that would top it. But the speed and overall difficulty of the piece that Hammett and Hetfield play can't go unnoticed.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

And Justice for All had four good songs (the title track, One, To Live is to Die, and The Eye of the Beholder) and the rest were either generic thrash or plagued with a lack of bass guitar and a horrible drum sound. Just listen to the *TAP* *TAP* *TAP* in the beginning of Blackened. Totally weak.

i'm listening to that song now and the production sounds great to me. i miss the days when everything was recorded analog and actually lifelike. are you just complaining that there's no reverb on the snare?

I have a copy of this album where someone recorded a bassline into the mix, it sounds pretty damn good actually.

I love the production on this CD

 

[Noema]

Back to topic, I don't think hiring Rubin will change anything.

Bob Rock wasn't reallty responsible for Metallica's change. It's not like he pointed a gun to their heads and forced to write 'Hero of the Day'. He just polished the sound into something more 'corporate rock', but he didn't write the songs.

Metallica hit a creative limit with AJFA and simply run dry. Burton's death didn't alleviate matters. They just seem to have run out of ideas. Not to mention Kirk has mentioned in several interviews he's not interested in Solos anymore. He probably doesn't practice and it shows whenever they play older songs live. He has to hide between a drenched wall of Wah-wah even in songs that didn't originally use the Wah.

Metallica is done for, and has been done for for almost 20 years now.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
i'm listening to that song now and the production sounds great to me. i miss the days when everything was recorded analog and actually lifelike. are you just complaining that there's no reverb on the snare?

I'm not a musician so to be honest I don't know what a reverb is. What I mean is that they sound almost like the drumming is taking place on a sheet of aluminum... there's no thud to it.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Noema
Back to topic, I don't think hiring Rubin will change anything.

Bob Rock wasn't reallty responsible for Metallica's change. It's not like he pointed a gun to their heads and forced to write 'Hero of the Day'. He just polished the sound into something more 'corporate rock', but he didn't write the songs.

Metallica hit a creative limit with AJFA and simply run dry. Burton's death didn't alleviate matters. They just seem to have run out of ideas. Not to mention Kirk has mentioned in several interviews he's not interested in Solos anymore. He probably doesn't practice and it shows whenever they play older songs live. He has to hide between a drenched wall of Wah-wah even in songs that didn't originally use the Wah.

Metallica is done for, and has been done for for almost 20 years now.

no, that's pretty much exactly how he works. and he's destroying some of my favourite bands even today like that.

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

And Justice for All had four good songs (the title track, One, To Live is to Die, and The Eye of the Beholder) and the rest were either generic thrash or plagued with a lack of bass guitar and a horrible drum sound. Just listen to the *TAP* *TAP* *TAP* in the beginning of Blackened. Totally weak.

i'm listening to that song now and the production sounds great to me. i miss the days when everything was recorded analog and actually lifelike. are you just complaining that there's no reverb on the snare?

The problem is you can barely hear the bass. Partly because it's too low in the mix; partly because Newstead's lines are pretty unimaginative and he pretty much plays the same thing as the guitars just one octave lower.

It also sounds a little tiny, in my opinion.

Compare it with the rumbling bass in MoP.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
i'm listening to that song now and the production sounds great to me. i miss the days when everything was recorded analog and actually lifelike. are you just complaining that there's no reverb on the snare?

I'm not a musician so to be honest I don't know what a reverb is. What I mean is that they sound almost like the drumming is taking place on a sheet of aluminum... there's no thud to it.

snare drums do not thud. the kick drum sound sounds like lars' traditional kick drum. by reverb i mean echo.

PS st. anger sounds about 90 times worse.

 

[Vic]

Justice has terrible production. I thought so from the moment I first heard it (which was probably the day it originally went on sale, I was a big fan back then). Almost no bass, drums sound like sh!t -- flat, lifeless sound. Some good songs though.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Vic
Justice has terrible production. I thought so from the moment I first heard it (which was probably the day it originally went on sale, I was a big fan back then). Almost no bass, drums sound like sh!t -- flat, lifeless sound. Some good songs though.

Again, Dyers Eve, some of Ulrich's best drum work 🙂

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: Vic
Justice has terrible production. I thought so from the moment I first heard it (which was probably the day it originally went on sale, I was a big fan back then). Almost no bass, drums sound like sh!t -- flat, lifeless sound. Some good songs though.

they're not FLAT they just sound DEAD because there's no artifical ECHO. it's a production choice.

i agree on the bass thing though.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
snare drums do not thud. the kick drum sound sounds like lars' traditional kick drum. by reverb i mean echo.

PS st. anger sounds about 90 times worse.

So my problem then is the type of drum used, I guess. It still sounds weak. I listen to the pounding in Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning, and Master of Puppets (or hell, even the Black album) and want to do some head banging. I listen to the tapping in And Justice For All and it just sounds weak. Agreed about St. Angers drumming.

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Vic
Justice has terrible production. I thought so from the moment I first heard it (which was probably the day it originally went on sale, I was a big fan back then). Almost no bass, drums sound like sh!t -- flat, lifeless sound. Some good songs though.

Again, Dyers Eve, some of Ulrich's best drum work 🙂

Which he can't actually play live. They had to record that song over dozens of different takes. put together afterwards 🙂

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Noema

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Vic
Justice has terrible production. I thought so from the moment I first heard it (which was probably the day it originally went on sale, I was a big fan back then). Almost no bass, drums sound like sh!t -- flat, lifeless sound. Some good songs though.

Again, Dyers Eve, some of Ulrich's best drum work 🙂

Which he can't actually play live. They had to record that song over dozens of different takes. put together afterwards 🙂

I heard he can pull it off again

 

[Noema]

Really? Are they playing it live now? That'd be interesting. I've never heard that song live.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Noema

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Blasphemy. Those songs you mentioned kick ass. Nothing good since RtL? What about And Justice for All? That's one of their best CDs.

And Justice for All had four good songs (the title track, One, To Live is to Die, and The Eye of the Beholder) and the rest were either generic thrash or plagued with a lack of bass guitar and a horrible drum sound. Just listen to the *TAP* *TAP* *TAP* in the beginning of Blackened. Totally weak.

Granted...And Justice for All is terribly produced. Even Lars admited once that it sounds like they recorded it inside a matchbox.
That doesn't mean the songs (and the album) are bad. Most of the songs (with perhaps the exception of the Frayed ends of Sanity) are staples of contemporary metal, and most of the real metal bands of today (like Meshuggah) are always quick to point out that the album was one of their major influences.

Badly produced kick ass songs (AJFA) >>>>>>>>> Uberproduced radio friendly trash (Everything post Load)

??

What's wrong with the Frayed Ends of Sanity? It's one of the best songs on the album!

Hell, they're all good.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: EatSpam
And that Lars Ulrich thing with Napster really got me to hate the band.

$20 you don't even have the whole story.

I probably don't, but IIRC, the whole Napster thing started when Metallica started whining.

News to the RIAA... when Napster was around, I bought like 50 albums that year. In 2003 to 2005, I might have bought 5.

 

[NorthRiver]

MOP and AJFA are the best albums created by Metalica, period!

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
MOP didn't have any bad songs, what are you smoking?

The Thing That Should Not Be was an abomination, being slow and repetitive. Disposeable Heroes repeats itself so much that it could have been four minutes and not be cut short. Leper Messiah is completely unmemorable. Damage Inc had a boring intro and the rest of the song was unmemorable as well.

Originally posted by: Noema
Master of Puppets?

Ride the Lightning?

😕

See my above post.

Unmemorable! Fvck you then Hamburger boy. :|

Well, if its better than St. Anger...I don't know. I don't think they can recapture that "I don't give a fvck" attitude that made their first 4 CD's awesome.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Vic
Justice has terrible production. I thought so from the moment I first heard it (which was probably the day it originally went on sale, I was a big fan back then). Almost no bass, drums sound like sh!t -- flat, lifeless sound. Some good songs though.

Again, Dyers Eve, some of Ulrich's best drum work 🙂

I had some mp3s where they had a fill-in for the only concert Lars had missed. Players like Joey Jordison and Lars' drum tech filled in and did a way better job, IMO. Lars is a generic drummer, with a cocky attitude. I could go on and on about Metallica....

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Rock Hydra

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Vic
Justice has terrible production. I thought so from the moment I first heard it (which was probably the day it originally went on sale, I was a big fan back then). Almost no bass, drums sound like sh!t -- flat, lifeless sound. Some good songs though.

Again, Dyers Eve, some of Ulrich's best drum work 🙂

I had some mp3s where they had a fill-in for the only concert Lars had missed. Players like Joey Jordison and Lars' drum tech filled in and did a way better job, IMO. Lars is a generic drummer, with a cocky attitude. I could go on and on about Metallica....

Oh I agree, Lars used to be pretty good, now he's average.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

And Justice for All had four good songs (the title track, One, To Live is to Die, and The Eye of the Beholder) and the rest were either generic thrash or plagued with a lack of bass guitar and a horrible drum sound. Just listen to the *TAP* *TAP* *TAP* in the beginning of Blackened. Totally weak.

i'm listening to that song now and the production sounds great to me. i miss the days when everything was recorded analog and actually lifelike. are you just complaining that there's no reverb on the snare?

I have a copy of this album where someone recorded a bassline into the mix, it sounds pretty damn good actually.

I love the production on this CD

Where did you get that? I can't believe nobody has asked you. 😛

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Unmemorable! Fvck you then Hamburger boy. :|

It's just one of those songs were I think "Now how does that one go...?" but can't remember any of it.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
Unmemorable! Fvck you then Hamburger boy. :|

It's just one of those songs were I think "Now how does that one go...?" but can't remember any of it.

IMO, it has a very distinctive riff.