Mental illness can hide behind mask of religion

BarneyFife

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SAN ANTONIO ? The similarities can't be ignored.
On June 20, 2001, Andrea Yates, a devout, depressed Christian housewife from Houston, drowned her five children in the family bathtub because she believed she heard voices from God telling her to kill her children. A Texas jury rejected her insanity defense, and Yates is now serving a life sentence.
Now another Texas woman, Deanna Laney, a devout, depressed Christian woman from New Chapel Hill, a small community in East Texas, is on trial for stoning to death two of her sons, 8 and 6, and seriously injuring her 14-month-old by hammering his head with a 4 1/2 pound rock.
When she called 911 last May 10, Laney said in a quiet voice, "I just killed my boys. That's just what I was told to do."
The 911 operator asked her who told her to kill her boys. Laney said, "God."
How can this have happened again? What kind of waking nightmare did both these women inhabit? What so injured their natural instincts to protect their own lives and the lives of their children? How did religion get turned into psychosis?
Their stories are eerily the same. Yates isolated herself from the outside world. She home-schooled her children. She did not work outside the home. Her life revolved around her children and her faith, but despite a history of mental illness, no one realized that was a danger to her children.
Laney also home-schooled her children. She was active in her Pentecostal church but kept her feelings to herself and told no one when she began hearing voices.
Her attorney, F.R. "Buck" Files Jr., told the jury last week that she was insane when she killed her children.
"Does she follow what she believed to be God's will, or does she turn her back on God?" Files asked.
If there are other isolated, depressed women out there secretly asking themselves that particular question, let us be loud and clear about the answer: God does not order mothers to murder their children.
These stories illustrate the fact that destructive religion is a trap. It can be as real as an abusive lover who first promises affection, acceptance and security, then beats you black and blue, apologizes, begs to be taken back and then smacks you around again. The only possible way to break such a cycle of destruction is to leave.
That's not to say that God or bad religion is to blame for the murder of these seven children and injury to an eighth. Mental illness can wrap itself around all sorts of things ? drugs, alcohol, bad relationships. But it must be said that mental illness can also hide behind the mask of religion.
Mothers of young children need certain things. They need to be surrounded by other people and by the larger world ? not confined to exile. They need to be able to act on their own behalf and on behalf of their children. This means they must resist all temptations to become anesthetized, especially the temptation to be perfect, holy mothers.
When my children were young, I was in my middle 30s. Like all women of that age, I was tired, overwhelmed, frightened and sought some spiritual source outside myself to help me be a better mother.
One day my daughter was crying from hunger and I ignored her because I was deep in prayer. My mother shook me by the shoulders and said, "Stop that. Go feed your daughter. That's your prayer right now."
Just like that, the sound of my mother's voice sharpened my instincts.
Mental illness robs women of their instincts. It makes them believe ? as both Yates and Laney apparently did ? that the only way they could rescue their children from Satan was to kill them.
Not every young mother faces the threat of psychosis or other malignant influences, but all confront their own private traps.
Tending children makes you hear all kinds of internal voices ? lonely, doubtful, fearful voices as well as strong, inventive, creative ones. The trick is to figure out how to pay attention to all the voices, but believe only your own.

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Why are these people who homeschool their kids so crazy? I knew some family that was home schooled and they allowed one of their kids to go to high school for one year. They were religious nuts. The kid was somewhat normal (thank god) but they ended up pulling him out after a year.
 

Wag

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This has more to do with the stigma of mental illness than religion.
 

XMan

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Nice troll.

Here's a Christian answer for you - both of these women are nutty and need to spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Home schooling has nothing to do with mental illness, and it's not an implicitly Christian activity, either.
 

Isla

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I homeschooled, but it was because the schools here were overcrowded.

That said, I do know plenty of mentally ill religious people (and I'm including ALL religions!). My MIL is a good example... lots of mental illness in her side of the family hiding behind piousness.

The big difference between the non-religious mentally ill and the religious mentally is very simple: The religious ones are much more likely to make a show of being 'righteous'.
 

cwjerome

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Yeah, great trollish topic... gimme a break.

However, if I ever have kids, my first choice would be to home school them. That's extremely doubtful though... I'll probably send them to a religious school, at least K-8, and I don't care if it's Christian/Protestant or Catholic.
 

nick1985

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nice troll post :thumbsup:


its not the fact that she suffered from severe post pardom psychosis, it was because she was christian. :roll:
 

alchemize

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BarneyFife? Trolling? Slander I say...

http://www.insightmag.com/main...il/storyid/261053.html


"the most common reason for homeschooling today is to provide the "child with a better education" (48.9 percent), as compared with "religious reasons" (38.4 percent).

That, and they score higher on the SAT...

"In 2001, homeschooled SAT-takers had higher scores than the SAT-taking population as a whole, with homeschooled students averaging 568 on the verbal test (out of a possible 800) and 525 on the math, compared with 506 verbal and 514 math for the national average of all SAT test-takers."

Pretty disgusting that the leftists will stoop to the level of beating up on those they supposedly care about (people with mental illness) just to take a pot shot at Christianity. Of course, a thread is started about muslim parents killing their own kids (and some posters strongly condoning it), and it's time to whistle and move along to another thread to talk about how our troops are war criminals.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: X-Man
Nice troll.

Here's a Christian answer for you - both of these women are nutty and need to spend the rest of their lives behind bars. Home schooling has nothing to do with mental illness, and it's not an implicitly Christian activity, either.

 

halik

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Originally posted by: alchemize
BarneyFife? Trolling? Slander I say...

http://www.insightmag.com/main...il/storyid/261053.html


"the most common reason for homeschooling today is to provide the "child with a better education" (48.9 percent), as compared with "religious reasons" (38.4 percent).

That, and they score higher on the SAT...

"In 2001, homeschooled SAT-takers had higher scores than the SAT-taking population as a whole, with homeschooled students averaging 568 on the verbal test (out of a possible 800) and 525 on the math, compared with 506 verbal and 514 math for the national average of all SAT test-takers."

Pretty disgusting that idiots will stoop to the level of beating up on those they supposedly care about (people with mental illness) just to take a pot shot at Christianity. Of course, a thread is started about muslim parents killing their own kids (and some posters strongly condoning it), and it's time to whistle and move along to another thread to talk about how our troops are war criminals.

fixed it for ya
 

illustri

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Damn, barneyfife sure got a reaction out of the forum christians and or homeschoolers quickly.
 

BarneyFife

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Pretty funny that all the right wingers want to call troll for proving that people that home-school are a bit nuts.
 

BarneyFife

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Pretty funny that all the right wingers want to call troll for proving that people that home-school are a bit nuts.
 

daniel1113

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Andrea Yates is Christian? Perhaps I missed the part in my Bible about drowning my offspring...

Or is she a post-crime Christian?
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Pretty funny that all the right wingers want to call troll for proving that people that home-school are a bit nuts.

Being that presumptuous and that rhetorical in your statements really leaves us with nothing to say.

Would you like us to agree with you, or do you want us to be honest?
 

illustri

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Andrea Yates is Christian? Perhaps I missed the part in my Bible about drowning my offspring...

Or is she a post-crime Christian?

I wonder if jesus forgives her Can anyone tell me what would jesus do?
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: nick1985
nice troll post :thumbsup:


its not the fact that she suffered from severe post pardom psychosis, it was because she was christian. :roll:

learn to read, when did anybody say that? the article said that mental illness can hide behind a mask of religion:

That's not to say that God or bad religion is to blame for the murder of these seven children and injury to an eighth. Mental illness can wrap itself around all sorts of things ? drugs, alcohol, bad relationships. But it must be said that mental illness can also hide behind the mask of religion.
 

illustri

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Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: illustri
Damn, barneyfife sure got a reaction out of the forum christians and or homeschoolers quickly.


And?

And, uhhh... hmm. I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it?I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet?.I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't ? you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one.
 

datalink7

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I was homeschooled by my father, who is an Atheist. And I'm an Atheist. I was homeschooled for 3 years through middle school.

But nice try.
 

illustri

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Originally posted by: datalink7
I was homeschooled by my father, who is an Atheist. And I'm an Atheist. I was homeschooled for 3 years through middle school.

But nice try.

its funny though you capitalize atheist
 

imported_Aelius

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Originally posted by: illustri
Originally posted by: datalink7
I was homeschooled by my father, who is an Atheist. And I'm an Atheist. I was homeschooled for 3 years through middle school.

But nice try.

its funny though you capitalize atheist

If you are going to pick on someone for that you better get your sh!t together before you do. Otherwise it makes you look like a hypocrite. Good work. Either way it makes you a POS low life that has nothing to do but flame someone for spelling/grammar mistakes on the Internet. Big no-no little boys and girls.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Andrea Yates is Christian? Perhaps I missed the part in my Bible about drowning my offspring...

Or is she a post-crime Christian?

maybe she thought she was abraham?

but im pretty sure if you are nuts, it doesnt really matter what the bible says...
 

Infohawk

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All of the born-agains I've seen have basically had severe psychological problems. In many cases what drove them to fundamentalism was a wild life and troubled relationships. Instead of getting professional help they go to fundamentalism.

In other news homeschooling is a great way to create maladapted children. Kids will have to deal with others their whole life, that's part of what schooling is for.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
All of the born-agains I've seen have basically had severe psychological problems. In many cases what drove them to fundamentalism was a wild life and troubled relationships. Instead of getting professional help they go to fundamentalism.

In other news homeschooling is a great way to create maladapted children. Kids will have to deal with others their whole life, that's part of what schooling is for.

:cookie: Welcome back from Christmas break. No computer at mommy and daddy's? We've missed your deep insight... :roll: