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Meltdown at DNC...

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K1052 said:
Schumer (along with Sanders) has endorsed Keith Ellison for party chair so it's a fair shot that he gets the job. I'd put it at even money that Trump and the GOP will face a slate of Sanders style progressives in 2018 and nearly certain for 2020. Populism and anger are fickle things people.
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Already wishing for more than you'll ever accomplish. Ellison? Laff.
 
Indus said:
Yes we lost being Republican-Lite.

We have to be our identity and our own identity is not the old guard.. its the new millennials which will be voting for the next 40 years as the majority, not the baby boomers which are dying off in the next 40.
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Do you think that politics is a static notion? Have you ever seen this quote?

If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain

The people who defeated Hillary are the Age of Aquarius hippies who grew up, realized some success, and knew it wasn't in their best interest to give away everything they have earned.
 
K1052 said:
The DNC was tone deaf however the Democrats at large didn't' seem totally receptive to such deep progressive ideas as evidenced by the primary. It isn't like Sanders lost by just a little bit.

If somebody like Schumer is backing a Sanders brand dyed in the wool progressive for the DNC chair they clearly understands the need for drastic change and the rest of the party will probably follow along since that's the way forward. If they add in a bunch of younger, more charismatic, and diverse blood the party could rebound dramatically.
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Hint - progressive ideas wouldn't have won you the election. *LESS* progressive ideas would have. Such as, not calling anybody who disagreed with you, racist, or sexist. Such as not demanding safe spaces. Such as not running on identity politics. Such as talking about making America first rather than some global open borders utopia.

You're as bad as the R cucks whose "post mortem" showed they needed to become more liberal and appeal to identity politics. Fuck. That.
 
thraashman said:
Bernie Bros would have been the Democrat version. Just substitute the blatant racism throughout the Tea Party with the sexism Bernie Bros were showing.
I even voted Bernie but was massively disappointed with how some of his supporters were acting after he validly lost to Hillary.
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Same here. In the same light, Trump won, so be it. No hard feelings, let's move on and take on the role of being the best and most aggressive opposition he could ever face in his lifetime. If his own party couldn't keep him honest, then I guess it's up to us losers to do it. If his own party can't make him keep his word, then again it will fall on the rest of us who didn't vote for him, because his supporters surely won't. They'll support him no matter how badly he performs, no matter how many wars he gets us into and no matter how badly he'll screw over the very folks that put him into office just like Bush and Cheney did, all because he's "their guy". Loyalty does count for something, I guess.

I accepted the fact that he's our POTUS elect, congratulated his supporters and now I have a ringside seat to witness him make good on his promises to the working class that voted him in......or not. I'm going to witness how he's going to scam his way through his presidency exactly the way he scammed his way into it.

That's his MO, that's who he is. And right now, I bet he's scared shitless from realizing that he finally got himself into something really big and nasty that he can't sue his way out of. 😉

edit - Being a loser does have its advantages. Just ask the Repubs who had that role for the last eight years. They'll tell ya. 🙂
 
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LegendKiller said:
Do you think that politics is a static notion? Have you ever seen this quote?

If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain

The people who defeated Hillary are the Age of Aquarius hippies who grew up, realized some success, and knew it wasn't in their best interest to give away everything they have earned.
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Except I was a conservative at 25 and am a liberal at 35. I've been through the economic depression of 2008.. lost my job, lost my apartment and was lucky I managed to get food stamps. I'm lucky I now have a spouse of my own gender. But the conservatives keep trying to take it all away.

And they say go back to Asia or wherever. I've lived overseas but America is my home.
 
mxnerd said:
Superdelegate system creates super corruption and needs to be abolished.
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Hillary crushed Bernie in the popular vote during the primaries. Blaming it on superdelegates is just retarded. The blame is on the party leaders who gifted her the nomination.
 
LegendKiller said:
Hint - progressive ideas wouldn't have won you the election. *LESS* progressive ideas would have. Such as, not calling anybody who disagreed with you, racist, or sexist. Such as not demanding safe spaces. Such as not running on identity politics. Such as talking about making America first rather than some global open borders utopia.

You're as bad as the R cucks whose "post mortem" showed they needed to become more liberal and appeal to identity politics. Fuck. That.
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You are a progressive. Every American is. Our whole country is based on the enlightenment our forefathers were steeped in. We remain one of the most progressively advanced even over two hundred years later. None of the crap you cited as wrong with progressives applies to real progressives. Anybody who calls others idiots because they disagree is an idiot, just as anybody who lumps all others as believing conservatives are idiots is an idiot. The same with demanding safe spaces or living in terror that safe spaces might exist. Anybody running for or against identity politics is similarly running on identity politics, one as absurd as the other. To understand identity politics requires a knowledge of history and walking a mile in other people's shoes. No progressive wants to flood the country with immigrants. Understanding immigration solutions has identical requirements. In short, you are as barking mad as the folk you criticize but you aren't in the slightest bit interested in seeing it because to see would make you feel how inferior you actually feel. You are a progressive and imagine yourself to be conservative but you are not actually either because your barking is their because you have no real love of truth or yourself. You are a puppet pulled by invisible strings.

It couldn't be otherwise and nobody can rightfully blame you for it. You are as guiltless as somebody who snores in their sleep.

Those who understand don't hate you. You take care of that and project it wherever you go. I wish you luck discovering the limits of rage. Trust me, you have only scratched the surface of how angry you are. Trust me because I know what rage is and where it can take you. It leads to ego death and total vulnerability. Have you got the shoulders to bear a cross of light? You do but you don't know it.
 
cubby1223 said:
Hillary crushed Bernie in the popular vote during the primaries. Blaming it on superdelegates is just retarded. The blame is on the party leaders who gifted her the nomination.
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See that I disagree with. People voted for her in full force. The party leadership has to follow the people. If Bernie couldn't beat Hillary, it's not guaranteed he would have beaten trump.

What I never understood was why they didn't recognize the rift beating Bernie created and why he wasn't offered the VP spot or at least finding someone comparable. Losing a few Bernie supporters to Johnson basically cost her the election. Tim Kaine was just dead weight on the ticket.

I think people should also clarify what they mean by progressive or liberal. You can be a liberal socially and fiscally conservative and vice versa. It's not a catch all meaning unification on all fronts.
 
Sunburn74 said:
See that I disagree with. People voted for her in full force. The party leadership has to follow the people. If Bernie couldn't beat Hillary, it's not guaranteed he would have beaten trump.

What I never understood was why they didn't recognize the rift beating Bernie created and why he wasn't offered the VP spot or at least finding someone comparable. Losing a few Bernie supporters to Johnson basically cost her the election. Tim Kaine was just dead weight on the ticket.

I think people should also clarify what they mean by progressive or liberal. You can be a liberal socially and fiscally conservative and vice versa. It's not a catch all meaning unification on all fronts.
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Remind me what Kaine was doing prior to DWS chairing the DNC? Oh yeah, he was chairing the DNC 2009-2011, silently rigging things for Hillary, the VP slot was payback and likely agreed upon long ago.
 
Sunburn74 said:
See that I disagree with. People voted for her in full force. The party leadership has to follow the people. If Bernie couldn't beat Hillary, it's not guaranteed he would have beaten trump.
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People voted for Hillary in the primaries because the DNC gifted the primary to her. Why was there no moderate competition? We had a token nobody challenger, then the far-left Bernie. Number of Republicans who competed for the nomination: 17. Number of Democrats: 3, and one wasn't welcomed.

You have no basis for disagreement. The DNC gifted Hillary the nomination.
 
Indus said:
Except I was a conservative at 25 and am a liberal at 35. I've been through the economic depression of 2008.. lost my job, lost my apartment and was lucky I managed to get food stamps. I'm lucky I now have a spouse of my own gender. But the conservatives keep trying to take it all away.

And they say go back to Asia or wherever. I've lived overseas but America is my home.
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Do you not understand that Trump sat in front of the GOP convention and cheered on LGBTQ?
 
LegendKiller said:
Do you not understand that Trump sat in front of the GOP convention and cheered on LGBTQ?
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dude.. you forget he's but an exception.

The base is against legal immigrants.. he's against illegal immigrants.

The base is against lgbt.. he's for lgbt.

By all accounts his followers are more insane than he is.
 
DrunkenSano said:
This should be a major wake up call not just for the DNC but for the Republicans as well. Trump was from neither camp, he was more an Independent that was running on the Republican ticket. But both Democratic party and Republican party needs a major change before the next presidential election if they want a chance. With how surprisingly popular Bernie was and with Trump winning the presidency, it's a clear message that people are sick of the same old, established politicians that plagues our current government. A complete overhaul is needed.
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yeah, that's my only salve from all of this. I was thinking weeks ago that even when Trump gets stomped in the general (lulz), at least the republican party is further ahead in purging the system. Now with his pretty clear victory, I hope he acts not just as a local enema for the colon of this country (the republican party), but a full-on GoLYTLY cleanse and scope of the entire system.

Would be great to see a return to normalcy only 2 years from now.

One can hope....
 
zinfamous said:
yeah, that's my only salve from all of this. I was thinking weeks ago that even when Trump gets stomped in the general (lulz), at least the republican party is further ahead in purging the system. Now with his pretty clear victory, I hope he acts not just as a local enema for the colon of this country (the republican party), but a full-on GoLYTLY cleanse and scope of the entire system.

Would be great to see a return to normalcy only 2 years from now.

One can hope....
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Um, hate to break it to you, but 23 Democrats are up for reelection VS 6 Republicans, ain't gonna happen.
 
Indus said:
dude.. you forget he's but an exception.

The base is against legal immigrants.. he's against illegal immigrants.

The base is against lgbt.. he's for lgbt.

By all accounts his followers are more insane than he is.
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You lead from the front, not behind. I agree with Scott Adams, master persuader. Say something outrageous to get the base to listen, soften the tone to something they find acceptable, lead them forward.

Personally, if he is what I think he is, he could be the beginning of a much more moderate, rational, and truly bipartisan Republican party.

He is building a tent like he builds a business. Offer people enough to buy in, convince them it is the right way, lead them internally while building a coalition. He doesn't care what you are, as long as you march forward. Lincoln did the same exact thing. That's what leaders do, they LEAD.

Look at it, he brought Peter Thiel and Ken Blackwell into his tent. He doesn't give a fuck what each might think of the other's position, he leads, they follow. You don't add something, GTFO.
 
Kazukian said:
Will there be trophies and candy?
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You don't even have to show up to get a trophy and candy in the Snowflake Party. Giving out participation awards is too exclusionary, it forces people to participate. Just stay at home crying and playing with Play-Doh at age 20, the trophies and candy get delivered right to your door.
 
Personally I'm not too worried it was a close race and a lot of people are not awoken by how much their vote means. Trump was an odd and remarkable candidate and he won, but by all evidence he won't be re-elected (granted I could be wrong). I think dem's have to grin and bear it, support him when its reasonable to do so, block him otherwise, and just wait for the next one. I don't think dems should overlook 2018 senate races in any sense and I am sad they don't fight for state houses as well.

Population dynamics are slowly turning in favor of the democratic party as well who are growing their base. I think something that is underplayed is what's happening in deeply red, populous states like georgia, texas, and arizona which are now turning slowly pinkish. The margin of victory in texas has slowly been dropping. In 2004 it was 30 points, in 2012 it was 15 and in 2016 it was 10% as the cities become larger and bluer. Alabama for example has been steady being between 25-30% percentage points in favor of the GOP.

I think this is a real danger for the GOP and something to capitalize on for the democratic party. They lost texas by 800, 000 votes in a state that houses 38 million people and has what 38 or 39 electoral college votes. There is a county in houston alone that has 4.5 million people and it went blue 2:1 in terms of the voting electorate with about 15 percent of the total population actually voting and 50% percent of the registered voters showing up. Why not go hard, all in and try to win Texas as opposed to trying to win a bunch of small states or fickle states here and there. I think that's the magic of trump's campaign. He picked a demographic and went hard at them.
 
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