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exactly. it is naive to think that anonymous are more capable than NSA/CIA hackers.

There are those more capable than NSA/CIA hackers but they really don't want to get caught and IF they do anything, it's either intercepted and they are caught or you won't hear anything about it at all.

anonymous are just a bunch of wannabe internet warriors.
 
I cant talk to you about this. You are so steeped in piracy that you will never see things.

a imitation is not a remake. Dont try to put words in my mouth and change what im saying.

Piracy IS monetized just because you say it isnt doesnt make it so.

Give people what they want and we will make money? So free stuff with no ads? How will we make money off that?

Pathetic does come to mind when I think about your views.

If i want to watch a new movie tonight i have two choices, go to the theater (if it's even playing in Sheffield yet) or download it, i can't rent it, i can't buy it, i can't get it in any other way than to pirate it so that's what i'll do.

The days when the movie industry could milk every penny out of every movie by using release schedules are over, the industry has milked the market for far too long and are now whining about customers not having it, they can go feck themselves.
 
Here's the thing.

These companies need to get together and see if there is some way they can provide HQ content to their customers at maximum convenience.

The problem is, they come up with whacked out ideas that limit use and other restrictions and then sit around scratching their heads wondering why they are not selling anything.

One clue. People do not remember if an artist uses Sony, or Virgin or any other recording studio/company. they remember the ARTIST. Being unwilling to get together to offer ALL MUSIC IN EXISTENCE is a liability. i do not want to have to switch websites for Muse after just getting a classic Who or Rolling Stones single.

As for movies? That is tough. Fansites have always been the best. Guys willing to have their machines crunching out good compressions with EXCELLENT background information and subtitles blow the doors off an industry that is more interested in putting PREVIEWS AND ADS ON A PURCHASED PIECE OF MEDIA!

What might work for these guys is simple. Affordable media, with a pre-determined price structure that takes into account popularity and time of release.

Additional discounts for bulk purchase would be good too.

hell, I would rather SUBSCRIBE to a good TV series sans commercials (Breaking Bad, Mad Men) than buy a subscription that plays stuff when they want filled with advertisements I do not want to see.

50 programs for $1/mo per program wins over $50/mo for "cable".
 
So if you have twin 12 year old daughters, and I take one, no big deal, right? She was just a copy.

heh

DDoSing websites of organizations that derive zero revenue from said websites, that'll teach them 🙄

Agree 100%. If they wanted to do any real damage they would hit the itunes servers, amazon, pandora, spotify, etc. (the actual owners of those sites being collateral damage)

Who the hell would ever care that universalmusic.com is offline for a few days?
 
What should the public domain do to prevent content providers from stealing content?

How does current copyright length incentivize someone who has been dead for up to 70 years to create more content?

Why does Disney get to steal old stories and make movies about them without paying the ancestors of the people who created them, but turn around and claim that nobody gets to use their ideas?

Yeah, the poor content industry. How will their children eat!

LOL, how can content providers possibly compete?!?

Disney should have LONG AGO lost the copyright on Mickey Mouse. Long. Ago. The fact that they still have it is evidence of how corrupt the system is.

In the modern digital world, Anon is the nearest thing we have to Super Hero vigilantes. Freedom Fighters against government oppression.

Come to Seattle. We have Phoenix Jones. 🙂
 
Disney should have LONG AGO lost the copyright on Mickey Mouse. Long. Ago. The fact that they still have it is evidence of how corrupt the system is.

They can have the trademark on Mickey Mouse, I have no problem with that. But many of Disney's classics should be public domain right now.

Instead they get to lock them away in a vault and trot them out every 10 or 20 years to sell them in a new video format to everybody on the planet again.
 
Yeah that was one fight anon quickly ran from with their tails between their legs from. The Zetas are no joke. Living in Phoenix we are well aware of their activities.
They ran from it initially, then came back.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...os-zeta-cartel/story?id=14875273#.Tx4_9_m8rsV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas_Cartel#Anonymous.27_OpCartel
The kidnapped Anonymous member was released.
Sounds to me more like it was The Zetas that ran with their tail between their legs because they were afraid of what Anonymous wanted to do?
 
They ran from it initially, then came back.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...os-zeta-cartel/story?id=14875273#.Tx4_9_m8rsV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas_Cartel#Anonymous.27_OpCartel
The kidnapped Anonymous member was released.
Sounds to me more like it was The Zetas that ran with their tail between their legs because they were afraid of what Anonymous wanted to do?
Or zeta made it up. A group that beheads people doesn't run away from script kiddies.
 
Or zeta made it up. A group that beheads people doesn't run away from script kiddies.
If that was the case then they would have killed that Anonymous member instead of releasing him and running away from script kiddies.
A group that beheads people wouldn't let someone go free.

More than likely, Zeta is a drug cartel and did what any other military/intelligence organization with more than 2 brain cells to rub together that was in the same exact position would do. They recognized that hundreds of their spies and intelligence officers that had infiltrated various positions within the Mexican federal, state, and local governments and others were in danger so they capitulated.

What benefit would it be for Zeta to make the story up? How does making a story up that showed they ran with their tail between their legs serve their purpose?
 
If that was the case then they would have killed that Anonymous member instead of releasing him and running away from script kiddies.
A group that beheads people wouldn't let someone go free.

More than likely, Zeta is a drug cartel and did what any other military/intelligence organization with more than 2 brain cells to rub together that was in the same exact position would do. They recognized that hundreds of their spies and intelligence officers that had infiltrated various positions within the Mexican federal, state, and local governments and others were in danger so they capitulated.

What benefit would it be for Zeta to make the story up? How does making a story up that showed they ran with their tail between their legs serve their purpose?

Are you serious, do you ACTUALLY believe that Zeta, a group that daily takes on both police and military, are afraid of Anonymous?


What would Anonymous do? DDOS zetas website? What ELSE has Anonymous ever done but script kiddying around with DDOS attacks which is the lowest form of script kiddying there is.

I can kinda see something like weed whacked script kiddie gets caught up in Mexican standoff and is released when they realize that no one cares about the twat.
 
Are you serious, do you ACTUALLY believe that Zeta, a group that daily takes on both police and military, are afraid of Anonymous?


What would Anonymous do? DDOS zetas website? What ELSE has Anonymous ever done but script kiddying around with DDOS attacks which is the lowest form of script kiddying there is.

I can kinda see something like weed whacked script kiddie gets caught up in Mexican standoff and is released when they realize that no one cares about the twat.
Sounds like you didn't read the articles I linked.

Why would Zeta back down on a beheading under the threat of Anonymous?
You're not making any sense...Provide a reasonable explanation of that.

After initial mixed signals, it appears that online hacker collective Anonymous has decided to take on Mexico's most violent and feared drug cartel, the Zetas, which could put the drug gang in a tight spot.

In just the past few days, rumors of a showdown between Anonymous and the Zetas drug cartel have been the subject of a veritable media frenzy. Speculation about the scope of the confrontation abounds, fueled by several conflicting reports about the "hacktivist" group's intentions.

The source of the confusion is a YouTube video which was posted on October 6 by one "MrAnonymousguyfawkes," which shows a masked speaker accusing the Zetas in Veracruz of having kidnapped a member of Anonymous in that state. As retribution, the individual claims that Anonymous will expose Zetas-linked police officers, officials, and journalists unless their associate is released. "You made a great mistake in taking one of us; release him and if something happens to him, you [expletive] will remember the 5th of November."

The ultimatum received little attention from Mexican media until STRATFOR picked up on the story and published an analysis of the incident. In their report, the global intelligence company points out that any individual that Anonymous names as a Zetas collaborator will likely be killed, "whether or not the information released is accurate." The report also notes that the move opens up the hackers to reprisal attacks, as the Zetas have been known to target their online critics in the past. Three individuals were tortured and killed in Nuevo Laredo in two separate incidents in September, with signs left next to the bodies accusing them of reporting crimes on Internet forums.

As news of Anonymous' threat spread, they appeared to make their first move on October 28, when the group defaced the website of Gustavo Rosario Torres, a former state prosecutor from Tabasco. The page, which remained vandalized at the time of writing, features the message "Gustavo Rosario is a Zeta" imposed over an image of carved jack-o-lanterns.

Following this, two individuals identifying themselves as administrators of the Mexican affiliates of Anonymous distanced themselves from it and all actions related to "Operation Cartel," or "#OpCartel," as it has become known on Twitter. In an October 30 interview with Mexico's Milenio, the individuals claimed to have canceled the operation, citing the risks involved.

Since then, Anonymous Mexico has reversed its stance, claiming on its Facebook page that the operation has been taken up again, although they warn less experienced members to stay away from it. In cooperation with Anonymous Iberoamerica, the largest Spanish-speaking Anonymous network, the group on Monday set up an online form where visitors can report individuals who have connections with the Zetas. In addition to this, a source close to the operation told The New York Times they were in possession of a "list of about 100 or so of the major contacts of the Zetas." Armed with the names and personal details of these individuals, the hacker group seems to have thrown their hat into the ring and taken on the confrontation with their Zeta foes.

On one level, the incident can be interpreted as further proof that a new front in the "drug war" has opened up on the Internet. Increasingly, Mexican drug trafficking organizations have been using the web to threaten rivals, proclaim their innocence, and brag about their exploits. Web page comments, YouTube videos, and Twitter feeds have all been employed by Mexican cartels to communicate with the public. But as the deaths of the bloggers in Nuevo Laredo illustrate, this virtual battleground can have very real consequences.

On another level, the incident is an illustration of the role that fear plays in the Zetas' exercise of power. Anonymous members' doubts about the operation are well-founded, as the Zetas are generally thought of as the most dangerous drug cartel in Mexico, who carry out brutal public revenge on their enemies. But as the hacking collective decided to go through with the operation, the Zetas could be in a highly vulnerable position. If they give in to Anonymous' demands and free the kidnapping victim – presuming he or she exists – then they risk opening themselves up to further challenges to their authority.



This is especially important to the Zetas, as they don't have the support base that other groups (like the Sinaloa Cartel in the Sierra Madre, or the once-mighty Familia Michoacana in Michoacan) possess. Conversely, if they don't turn over the kidnapping victim, then they risk damaging much of the connections that keep their business together in the Veracruz area.
Why would they release the kidnapped Anonymous member instead of beheading him like they do to thousands of others in Mexico?
This whole thing doesn't make sense to me.

Still waiting for your valid explanation of why Zetas released him after the Anonymous threats instead of beheading him like they do to thousands of others...
The article gave the answer in the last sentence and that's also the answer that I agree with.

What's yours?
I doubt this is a case of "no one cares about the twat"...Many people not worth caring about have been killed because Zetas want to instill fear.
If they released him saying "no one cares about the twat", it sure makes it seems like they released him under pressure. If that really was their ultimate goal, then they should have released him a month sooner than when Anonymous started threatening them. A bullet to the head of the kidnapped twat is cheaper than kidnapping a script kiddie for 2 months, giving him food, shelter, security from others in the drug cartel, and then releasing him.

Releasing the twat after the threat from script kiddies sure makes the Zetas organization look weak. It would probably have been better for them to release the twat almost a month before the script kiddies made their threats, that way they still get to keep their "fear" and "untouchable" authority perception. Now everyone knows they can be brought down by a group of script kiddies.
 
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Sounds like you didn't read the articles I linked.

Why would Zeta back down on a beheading under the threat of Anonymous?
You're not making any sense...Provide a reasonable explanation of that.

Why would they release the kidnapped Anonymous member instead of beheading him like they do to thousands of others in Mexico?
This whole thing doesn't make sense to me.

Still waiting for your valid explanation of why Zetas released him after the Anonymous threats instead of beheading him like they do to thousands of others...
The article gave the answer in the last sentence and that's also the answer that I agree with.

What's yours?
I doubt this is a case of "no one cares about the twat"...Many people not worth caring about have been killed because Zetas want to instill fear.
If they released him saying "no one cares about the twat", it sure makes it seems like they released him under pressure. If that really was their ultimate goal, then they should have released him a month sooner than when Anonymous started threatening them. A bullet to the head of the kidnapped twat is cheaper than kidnapping a script kiddie for 2 months, giving him food, shelter, security from others in the drug cartel, and then releasing him.

Releasing the twat after the threat from script kiddies sure makes the Zetas organization look weak. It would probably have been better for them to release the twat almost a month before the script kiddies made their threats, that way they still get to keep their "fear" and "untouchable" authority perception. Now everyone knows they can be brought down by a group of script kiddies.

The deer... It's teal.
 
Well, irrelevant now because Anon decided against "exposing" Zeta's servants. And in even further news, the whole story remains unverified. Some say Zetas released him under pressure of Anon's threatened exposure, others say it was because the Zetas threatened to kill 10 people for each one Anon exposes.

*shrug* Nothing in this case has been proven, including whether or not the Zetas kidnapped anyone.
 
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Whatever the case, there's information missing. A group of people who would happily cut your head off and throw it through the living room window for your kids to find, to make a point, does not release a script kiddie. It makes no sense at all. Zeta is not threatened by Anonymous, regardless of what Anonymous says.
Some say Zetas released him under pressure of Anon's threatened exposure, others say it was because the Zetas threatened to kill 10 people for each one Anon exposes.
Second more likely, especially since zeta killed those internet guys, or simply found people off the street, said they were posting on forums, and killed to make a point.

It's laughable, the idea that zeta feels threatened by anon and released somebody because they were threatened.
 
Whatever the case, there's information missing. A group of people who would happily cut your head off and throw it through the living room window for your kids to find, to make a point, does not release a script kiddie. It makes no sense at all. Zeta is not threatened by Anonymous, regardless of what Anonymous says.Second more likely, especially since zeta killed those internet guys, or simply found people off the street, said they were posting on forums, and killed to make a point.

It's laughable, the idea that zeta feels threatened by anon and released somebody because they were threatened.
That idea doesn't make much sense either.

1.) Zeta kidnaps Anonymous member.
2.) Anonymous threatens to expose Zeta collaborators.
3.) Zeta threatens to kill 10 people for each Zeta collaborator exposed.
4.) Anonymous cancels their operation.
5.) Zeta releases kidnapped script kiddie...

What would be the point of doing #5 when Zeta already had the upper hand in #4?
That's like Saddam Hussein threatening to kill 10 family members of a particular person if they did something. The family members of that person backs down and Saddam releases prisoner...WTF? If they're as brutal as everyone thinks they are or anywhere near Saddam, they would have chopped that script kiddie to little pieces and left the body parts at the front porch of a family member of that script kiddie.

And if they expose the collaborators, kill 10 people(family members of script kiddie included) for each name exposed.

There seems to be lots of information missing, I'll give you that.
Some agreement between the groups was probably worked out that we don't know about.

It could have even happened like this:
1.) Zeta kidnaps Anonymous member.
2.) Anonymous threatens to expose Zeta collaborators.
3.) ***Back channel communication and agreement between both groups no one knows about***
4.) Anonymous cancels their operation.
5.) Zeta releases kidnapped script kiddie with note attached...
6.) The note reads: "Zeta threatens to kill 10 people for each Zeta collaborator exposed" in case Anonymous decides to pull a Wikileaks after they got their script kiddie returned to them.

Rather than everyone guessing what happened I'll just go by the article linked by Blackangst1.
In a post written in Spanish on the group's Latin American blog, the members said they had called off the action after the Zetas met a demand to release a kidnapped group member, and that: "We can say that, while bruised, he is alive and well."
The hacker group said the person was freed with a note warning that if information were released, the cartel would make the kidnapped member's family suffer, and kill 10 people for each exposed name
In conclusion, Anonymous got their member released and alive. Zeta also got what it wanted which was to prevent their collaborators from being exposed.
That's far different from the claim that someone mentioned "Oh shit!!! Anonymous ran with their tail between their legs" pages ago.
 
Whatever the case, there's information missing. A group of people who would happily cut your head off and throw it through the living room window for your kids to find, to make a point, does not release a script kiddie. It makes no sense at all. Zeta is not threatened by Anonymous, regardless of what Anonymous says.Second more likely, especially since zeta killed those internet guys, or simply found people off the street, said they were posting on forums, and killed to make a point.

It's laughable, the idea that zeta feels threatened by anon and released somebody because they were threatened.

Whether they feel threatened or not doesn't make much of a difference, it is possible that they weighed the situation and felt it was worth it to let some random dude they scooped up go than have sensitive information exposed. It's more than possible, if this story is true at all, that they did it to bide their time and get more info on even more members of Anon.mx so they can make a better example of people that fuck with their business at a later time. The reality is that nobody knows what really happened, or why.
 
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