McDonald's workers want $15 an hour

[PingviN]

They make $16/h here; $19/h evenings and weekends. Then add taxes for the employer and you land on around $24/$29 an hour in salary costs.

Aaaaand we still have McDonalds here.

 

[RagingBITCH]

That is very possible, especially if you work at a higher end busy place.

Yep. A Friday/Sat night back at the old Chilis - I made close to $200 one night. At a nice steakhouse or even a mid-upper scale restaurant, clearing $400 shouldn't be particularly difficult on a busy night.

 

[Nintendesert]

$15 bucks an hour. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[diesbudt]

while is indeed insane 15/hr, you guys should fight for your rights...
don't let this "the market should decide" bullshit

or you guys will end up projecting building 120 feet tall for a minimum wage, while your boss will arriving from a trip to China in a hangover that lasted 2 days

If you do not let the market decide. It is no longer capitalism at heart.

If it is not capitalism.... What is it?

 

[Vdubchaos]

I blame the advent of easy credit for allowing people to think that living beyond their means was ok.

Guess what, Government has been doing it for years.

Some call it "living beyond their means"

I call it, making fake money and handing it out to Business/Corp buddies....having public pay it back down the road.

We are at the most extreme end of that RIGHT NOW. And it's not slowing down either (quite the opposite if you look closely).

That's why I laugh when people THINK we fight for freedom. We don't fight for ANYTHING but our business and corps. There is absolutely 0 value for American people/or freedom gain based on results of these wars.

Only gain is, more shitty jobs that underpay/overwork people.

 

[PingSpike]

I don't really think you're going to see McDonald's cashiers getting $15/hr, aside from maybe some high cost areas or something. They can ask for that and they could even set the minimum wage that high but won't McDonald's just replace most of them with robots and a self checkout machine? I think all you would end up doing is eliminating a low paying position for a teenager, not creating a high paying one for an adult.

 

[waggy]

I don't really think you're going to see McDonald's cashiers getting $15/hr, aside from maybe some high cost areas or something. They can ask for that and they could even set the minimum wage that high but won't McDonald's just replace most of them with robots and a self checkout machine. I think all you would end up doing is eliminating a low paying position for a teenager, not creating a high paying one for an adult.

/this

if the are forced to pay $15/hr they will just put in self checkout machines and automate everything they can.

but some areas around here i have seen starting pay is $12 an hour. While driving through Chicago area i was shocked at how much they get paid.

 

[JimmiG]

LOL what a bunch of selfish bastards some are..

Seriously.. inflation? Those people can't afford anything but that which is absolutely necessary anyway, even with a raise. It just allows them to sleep slightly better at night knowing that they can pay their bills and buy food without working 80 hours a week. Maybe then they'll have the motivation and energy to study and get a better job instead of just crashing in bed after the work day.

You should all stop asking for a raise then to stop this horrible "inflation" that will destroy your country otherwise.. Because you (with higher incomes) are the ones causing inflation.

Seriously I think it's just an emotional reaction of some people feeling threatened because "those people" below you starting to demand things. Don't worry, there will still be people working at McDonalds, even if they make 20.3% instead of 20.1% of what you make. I asked around and most agree that around the equivalent of $15/hour is probably just about the minimum wage for working at McD here and so far, it hasn't caused society collapse in Sweden.

 

[lupi]

Tax the rich to give them raises.

 

[Olikan]

If you do not let the market decide. It is no longer capitalism at heart.

If it is not capitalism.... What is it?

capitalism don't really exist anymore, today we have a mix of it with socialism
the market will decide always, the problem is "how much"...
and that is a problem, because no one really knows "how much" is less or more

the end of the middle class is pretty much a sign that the market have too much freedom...i have no idea to what to do...and personaly i blame the stock market

 

[diesbudt]

capitalism don't really exist anymore, today we have a mix of it with socialism
the market will decide always, the problem is "how much"...
and that is a problem, because no one really knows "how much" is less or more

the end of the middle class is pretty much a sign that the market have too much freedom...i have no idea to what to do...and personaly i blame the stock market

I blame godzilla.

Because? Why not.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Anyone that agrees with this is a complete moron.

And complaining about $500 a month in student loans is absurd. If he is making next to nothing, he can qualify for an income-based payment plan. It does negatively affect your credit, and makes repayment affordable (in the short-run).

McDonalds is not skilled labor. It is not meant to be a career. The amount of self-entitlement amongst the people in this country is disgusting.

 

[diesbudt]

LOL what a bunch of selfish bastards some are..

Seriously.. inflation? Those people can't afford anything but that which is absolutely necessary anyway, even with a raise. It just allows them to sleep slightly better at night knowing that they can pay their bills and buy food without working 80 hours a week. Maybe then they'll have the motivation and energy to study and get a better job instead of just crashing in bed after the work day.

You should all stop asking for a raise then to stop this horrible "inflation" that will destroy your country otherwise.. Because you (with higher incomes) are the ones causing inflation.

Seriously I think it's just an emotional reaction of some people feeling threatened because "those people" below you starting to demand things. Don't worry, there will still be people working at McDonalds, even if they make 20.3% instead of 20.1% of what you make. I asked around and most agree that around the equivalent of $15/hour is probably just about the minimum wage for working at McD here and so far, it hasn't caused society collapse in Sweden.

You are a sad person.

None of us never said we wouldn't like people earning more money. (it just is not logical, or wouldn't change anything just how big number signs look on wages/costs. However quality of life will not change)

You just do not understand our arguments. You cannot just raise people wages and think that is the end of it. Ripple effect.

-First, costs will have to go up to offset those wages.

-Second, (If those people do not lose jobs to a resturant too expensive compared to its competitors, that kept their wages lower, and thus cheaper) costs of food will overall go up as resturants match the cost and wage to keep theri workforce and not have any workers all switching to MCD

-Third, Since costs have gone up, skilled labor that took time energy and effort to bust their asses and/or mental states at national institutions (or universities as some like to call them) for better jobs now are hurting to cover the costs that have gone up. They ask for raises.

-Fourth, see 1st and 2nd except replace McD with skilled labors making more than mcd

-Fifth, if the skilled laborers don't lose their jobs with businesses closing, and since they also increased their costs to offset their employees new raises.

Now. Costs all across the board have been risen. All wages have been risen. [aka inflation]

Basically, McD is still paying too low for market value now at $15, because all the costs have gone up to match.

Lesson? There will ALWAYS BE A LOW POINT in commercial capitalism. There must be, for that is what must be compared for everything else such as costs, higher wages, etc. etc. etc.

It does not matter where this low point is, but it will always be a low point. (and that is unskilled workers that tehre is so many of and thus over supply of workers meaning the "price of them is low") Hence given mcd workers a raise to $15, would just mean every wages would go up to a similar match, along with costs. Or the market would tumble out of control.

Then the government would have to get REALLY involved. And that is when something looking like socialism appears.

 

[Veliko]

Anyone that agrees with this is a complete moron.

And complaining about $500 a month in student loans is absurd. If he is making next to nothing, he can qualify for an income-based payment plan. It does negatively affect your credit, and makes repayment affordable (in the short-run).

McDonalds is not skilled labor. It is not meant to be a career. The amount of self-entitlement amongst the people in this country is disgusting.

Anyone who agrees with what, exactly?

Do you not think that people have a right to try and get a wage increase?

 

[diesbudt]

Anyone that agrees with this is a complete moron.

And complaining about $500 a month in student loans is absurd. If he is making next to nothing, he can qualify for an income-based payment plan. It does negatively affect your credit, and makes repayment affordable (in the short-run).

McDonalds is not skilled labor. It is not meant to be a career. The amount of self-entitlement amongst the people in this country is disgusting.

I honestly do not understand how people do not see the ripple effect when it comes to those comments.

It isn't like a magic wand can raise wages and everything is good and golden. If X goes up, Y must go up, otherwise X gets let go because of a closed out business no longer making a profit.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Anyone who agrees with what, exactly?

Do you not think that people have a right to try and get a wage increase?

That these employees who reheat processed food deserve ~$15/hr.

If you go into a position like this and expect to make ~2x minimum wage, you're dillusional.

 

[diesbudt]

Anyone who agrees with what, exactly?

Do you not think that people have a right to try and get a wage increase?

Everyone has the right to try.

However that does not mean saying a easy job almost anyone can do. (Yes i have worked at McD and I do mean ANYONE can do) Should be awarded so much more money. Especially how the market would react to it.

Everyone can:

(A) Work hard at their job and ask around how to get higher up/promoted for a better wage
(B) Find a new better paying job. Factories are always looking for new employees to work the line and $12-14/hr at that. (Nothing beyond HS grad needed, and the ability to... do work)
(C) Go to a trade school, get training, find a career in said trade. Plumming, electricity, etc.
(D) Go to college, get a degree in something USEFUL. (Not "art" or "music") but Engineering, medical, anything computer related. Find career that way.


I have just given you 4 ways anyone can increase their wages, through some effort.

 

[destrekor]

$500 per month in student loans? I'm guessing he went to a good college then why is he working at McD?

I won't get into details, but I essentially have the same thing (and face a similar conundrum with regards to income and repayment issues). For me, the majority of my student loans I lumped into a single low-interest loan, and has a 5-year term. So, it's a lot for the time being but I'm just under halfway through.
It's painful at the moment though.

 

[JM Aggie08]

Everyone has the right to try.

However that does not mean saying a easy job almost anyone can do. (Yes i have worked at McD and I do mean ANYONE can do) Should be awarded so much more money. Especially how the market would react to it.

Everyone can:

(A) Work hard at their job and ask around how to get higher up/promoted for a better wage
(B) Find a new better paying job. Factories are always looking for new employees to work the line and $12-14/hr at that. (Nothing beyond HS grad needed, and the ability to... do work)
(C) Go to a trade school, get training, find a career in said trade. Plumming, electricity, etc.
(D) Go to college, get a degree in something USEFUL. (Not "art" or "music") but Engineering, medical, anything computer related. Find career that way.


I have just given you 4 ways anyone can increase their wages, through some effort.

Bu..Bu...whhaaat about the cost of tuition???

/sarcasm

Please. If you have half a brain and did half decent in school you will get federal assistance. Then again, I'd bet good money that most of the people in this situation waved bye-bye to higher education a long time ago, ASSUMING they made it through high school.

 

[mikegg]

I'm totally against people who think they deserve to make more and then strike. If they think they can make more, then find another job that can make you more. If you can't, then you have to suck it up. Why hassle your current employer?

However, I do think that in some cities, minimum wage needs to be raised. If they can't earn a living making minimum wage, one way or another, our tax dollars will aid them.

 

[diesbudt]

I won't get into details, but I essentially have the same thing (and face a similar conundrum with regards to income and repayment issues). For me, the majority of my student loans I lumped into a single low-interest loan, and has a 5-year term. So, it's a lot for the time being but I'm just under halfway through.
It's painful at the moment though.

I have $320/mo loans. 20 years. (6 yr Engineering degree)

granted That got me a job at 65k/mo + benefits + room to move up in an industry growing right now (automobile)

 

[Veliko]

You are a sad person.

None of us never said we wouldn't like people earning more money. (it just is not logical, or wouldn't change anything just how big number signs look on wages/costs. However quality of life will not change)

You just do not understand our arguments. You cannot just raise people wages and think that is the end of it. Ripple effect.

You cannot keep suppressing people's wages and think that is the end of it. Ripple effect.

-First, costs will have to go up to offset those wages.

No they don't.

-Third, Since costs have gone up, skilled labor that took time energy and effort to bust their asses and/or mental states at national institutions (or universities as some like to call them) for better jobs now are hurting to cover the costs that have gone up. They ask for raises.

This is a huge leap of logic. If a cleaner at my workplace gets a payrise, it doesn't mean I will start demanding one.

There is also the fact that the income for those at the top has already risen, whilst those further down has fallen.

Why is it that payrises for those at the top are fine, whilst payrises for the bottom is something to start panicking about?

Then the government would have to get REALLY involved. And that is when something looking like socialism appears.

Oooooh, nice bit of FUD at the end there.

 

[mikegg]

I have $320/mo loans. 20 years. (6 yr Engineering degree)

granted That got me a job at 65k/mo + benefits + room to move up in an industry growing right now (automobile)

20 years is a lot. I hope you can pay it off much faster than 20 years - maybe aim for 5 years?

In 20 years, you're going to have several kids. Not good to still have student loans.

 

[Veliko]

I'm totally against people who think they deserve to make more and then strike. If they think they can make more, then find another job that can make you more. If you can't, then you have to suck it up. Why hassle your current employer?

So a business expanding to make more money is fine.

Leaving your current workplace to get a job paying more money is fine.

But asking for a payrise is bad.

 

[diesbudt]

You cannot keep suppressing people's wages and think that is the end of it. Ripple effect.



No they don't.

Alright. Wages go up to $15.

McD is now LOSING money per year.

How is that fixed is not to.... raise costs?

Again it is SIMPLE economics. Compelx is the ripple effect I explained. And Again their will always be an economic "floor" no matter what the wage is, and that will be unskilled labor in capitalism.

That floor is design where the markets costs and other wages are. All $15 to unskilled labor would do is change where it is designed not HOW it is designed.