McDonald's workers want $15 an hour

[kache]

I doubt it. A completely robotic society won't keep around so many useless eaters for long.

Robotic as in robotic production.

 

[kache]

Why will those of use who design and build said robots keep feeding those that are now absolutely worthless to us since we know longer need them to microwave our hamburgers?

Because they provide entertainment, one way or another.

 

[3chordcharlie]

I'm certainly not the only one saying this, but it seems like the service industry is really the only outlet, going forward, for the "unskilled" labor class in this country.

Manufacturing is long gone, and it ain't coming back to the same numbers.

I wonder if all of these demands at places like Wally World and McD's are starting to rise as the "new service sector" starts to become saturated with laborers from other sectors, suddenly expecting the same types of wages and benefits that they once enjoyed (the enjoyment of which pretty much bankrupted their previous sectors, and sent their jobs overseas)

:hmm:

You have the order backwards.

 

[OutHouse]

You can easily make 50K+ a year being a waiter/waitress.

you live in a fantasy world.

 

[OutHouse]

the company have just 15 people, yet is the biggest architect office of the region... i did worked without any contract and lower than minimum wage salary in smaller companyes.
going up from here... is creating my own office (have to graduate first), or going to the state capital

sucks to hear that a bricklayer can earn way more than you and some co-workers togheter, but no bricklayer in the whole Brazil will earn more than one of my bosses.

then become a fucking brick layer and make more money??

 

[randomrogue]

$500 per month in student loans? I'm guessing he went to a good college then why is he working at McD?

Yeah no shit. WTF?! My student loan payment was $158 a month. This guy must have borrowed quite a bit.

 

[DCal430]

you live in a fantasy world.

You are obviously clueless as to how much waiters and waitresses make.

 

[randomrogue]

Meanwhile in Sweden...

 

[JimmiG]

You are a sad person.

None of us never said we wouldn't like people earning more money. (it just is not logical, or wouldn't change anything just how big number signs look on wages/costs. However quality of life will not change)

You just do not understand our arguments. You cannot just raise people wages and think that is the end of it. Ripple effect.

-First, costs will have to go up to offset those wages.

-Second, (If those people do not lose jobs to a resturant too expensive compared to its competitors, that kept their wages lower, and thus cheaper) costs of food will overall go up as resturants match the cost and wage to keep theri workforce and not have any workers all switching to MCD

-Third, Since costs have gone up, skilled labor that took time energy and effort to bust their asses and/or mental states at national institutions (or universities as some like to call them) for better jobs now are hurting to cover the costs that have gone up. They ask for raises.

-Fourth, see 1st and 2nd except replace McD with skilled labors making more than mcd

-Fifth, if the skilled laborers don't lose their jobs with businesses closing, and since they also increased their costs to offset their employees new raises.

Now. Costs all across the board have been risen. All wages have been risen. [aka inflation]

Basically, McD is still paying too low for market value now at $15, because all the costs have gone up to match.

Lesson? There will ALWAYS BE A LOW POINT in commercial capitalism. There must be, for that is what must be compared for everything else such as costs, higher wages, etc. etc. etc.

It does not matter where this low point is, but it will always be a low point. (and that is unskilled workers that tehre is so many of and thus over supply of workers meaning the "price of them is low") Hence given mcd workers a raise to $15, would just mean every wages would go up to a similar match, along with costs. Or the market would tumble out of control.

Then the government would have to get REALLY involved. And that is when something looking like socialism appears.

And socialism is bad because?

Your arguments would perhaps be valid if they were asking for $25 an hour, but $15 is very reasonable and won't have any "ripple" effects, only positive effects by reducing poverty and actually giving these people a chance at improving their situation (something that isn't possible when you're making $6 - 7 an hour). Your "ripple effects" are easily offset by other factors, of which not the least is outsourcing to 3rd world countries.

Again, McDonald's workers in Sweden make $15-$16 an hour and we seem to be doing alright. I was at McDonalds' the other week, and they didn't have any plans to close down.

 

[OutHouse]

I honestly do not understand how people do not see the ripple effect when it comes to those comments.

It isn't like a magic wand can raise wages and everything is good and golden. If X goes up, Y must go up, otherwise X gets let go because of a closed out business no longer making a profit.

this is a concept most liberals will never ever understand.

 

[OutHouse]

You are obviously clueless as to how much waiters and waitresses make.

na i just live in reality. the wait staff at the red lobster and joes crabshack dont even come close to 50k a year.

 

[OutHouse]

Meanwhile in Sweden...

lol, make sure you dont go there when they are cycling at the same time.... meow!

 

[isekii]

You are obviously clueless as to how much waiters and waitresses make.

some waiters can make over 6 figures easy in nyc depending on the restaurant.

 

[isekii]

lol, make sure you dont go there when they are cycling at the same time.... meow!

Wow all them ladies look pretty good

 

[OutHouse]

And socialism is bad because?

Your arguments would perhaps be valid if they were asking for $25 an hour, but $15 is very reasonable and won't have any "ripple" effects, only positive effects by reducing poverty and actually giving these people a chance at improving their situation (something that isn't possible when you're making $6 - 7 an hour). Your "ripple effects" are easily offset by other factors, of which not the least is outsourcing to 3rd world countries.

Again, McDonald's workers in Sweden make $15-$16 an hour and we seem to be doing alright. I was at McDonalds' the other week, and they didn't have any plans to close down.

you need to ask yourself why mcducks pays that. is it because they are "nice" or are there other reasons that from what i can tell is above your intelligence.

 

[OutHouse]

some waiters can make over 6 figures easy in nyc depending on the restaurant.

sure at a very upscale joint that wall-street big wig's frequent. You have to admit that 6 figures is not the norm and that is all the point i have been trying to make.


http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/Waiter/waitress/Average-salary-waiter-NYC/t150271

I work at Harlem, Its considered fine dining and gets pretty busy.

Avg Day of Tips per week: 120
House Pay after taxes: $30
Total is $150-200 per day

NYC Waiter

 

[1prophet]

Silly Americans, they want the best wages, healthcare, work environment, etc, until they have to reach in their pocket to pay for it all as the end consumer,

then they demand the cheapest prices for their goods and services.:hmm:

 

[OverVolt]

You are obviously clueless as to how much waiters and waitresses make.

When did you graduate and how much did your parents make that went into "expected family contribution" = EFC

Its easy to go to a cheap university and have $40k debt.

The Avg. student loan debt numbers are going to skyrocket over the next few years, each year the grads are carrying exponentially more debt.

 

[OverVolt]

Silly Americans, they want the best wages, healthcare, work environment, etc, until they have to reach in their pocket to pay for it all as the end consumer,

then they demand the cheapest prices for their goods and services.:hmm:

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.

 

[PingviN]

Meanwhile in Sweden...

Just look at all them robots having replaced the workforce! Oh wait.

 

[Veliko]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.

The problem with socialism, is that people like you don't seem to know what it actually is.

 

[randomrogue]

Just look at all them robots having replaced the workforce! Oh wait.

lol so when I went to McDonalds in Stockholm it was nothing but hot women who worked there and it was 2am. Apparently they get paid pretty well and there is no stigma working there. Many college students and high school students have worked there at some point. I was trying to google what they make there but I couldn't find anything. I was really just trying to make a point since someone above was saying that all they had were non-english speaking mexicans at theirs.

 

[PingviN]

lol so when I went to McDonalds in Stockholm it was nothing but hot women who worked there and it was 2am. Apparently they get paid pretty well and there is no stigma working there. Many college students and high school students have worked there at some point. I was trying to google what they make there but I couldn't find anything. I was really just trying to make a point since someone above was saying that all they had were non-english speaking mexicans at theirs.

They start at $16 and make $19 evenings and weekends and I think $22 nights.

And no, few immigrants actually work at McDonalds here, even though it's an entry level job, it's a really attractive workplace for students and as such: hot chicks. You'll have to look hard to find an immigrant not fluent in Swedish and most capable in English here.

Edit: I'm guessing it's more expensive to eat at McDonalds here though.

 

[Train]

lol so when I went to McDonalds in Stockholm it was nothing but hot women who worked there and it was 2am. Apparently they get paid pretty well and there is no stigma working there. Many college students and high school students have worked there at some point. I was trying to google what they make there but I couldn't find anything. I was really just trying to make a point since someone above was saying that all they had were non-english speaking mexicans at theirs.

Go to Japan and visit a McDonalds. Unlike american workers, they actually take pride in their work, even if it is just a part time McDonald's job. They keep their restuarants exceptionally clean, and take extreme pride in giving you perfect food on every order.

 

[randomrogue]

They start at $16 and make $19 evenings and weekends and I think $22 nights.

And no, few immigrants actually work at McDonalds here, even though it's an entry level job, it's a really attractive workplace for students and as such: hot chicks. You'll have to look hard to find an immigrant not fluent in Swedish and most capable in English here.

Edit: I'm guessing it's more expensive to eat at McDonalds here though.

It's not that much more expensive. A cheeseburger is 10 crowns which is $1.50 so they charge 50% more but their employees make 100%+ more.