McDonald's workers want $15 an hour

[diesbudt]

20 years is a lot. I hope you can pay it off much faster than 20 years - maybe aim for 5 years?

In 20 years, you're going to have several kids. Not good to still have student loans.

Yea, I have been doubling my payments, so close to 10 years. Just saying that was my loan length.

 

[diesbudt]

So a business expanding to make more money is fine.

Leaving your current workplace to get a job paying more money is fine.

But asking for a payrise is bad.

Asking for a pay raise is not bad.
Wanting more money is not bad.
Paying THE GOOD WORKERS a bit more because they earn it and are worth it. Is not bad

DOUBLING the minimum wage, will tumble the market.

 

[diesbudt]

Honest question.

Do people really think businesses pay this little to unskilled workers because they are supressing them?

I mean, to keep costs as low as possible (to 'win' competition) one way is to lower wages. And as long as people are still going to work there for those wages, they will not change.

 

[Veliko]

Alright. Wages go up to $15.

McD is now LOSING money per year.

How is that fixed is not to.... raise costs?

Again it is SIMPLE economics. Compelx is the ripple effect I explained. And Again their will always be an economic "floor" no matter what the wage is, and that will be unskilled labor in capitalism.

That floor is design where the markets costs and other wages are. All $15 to unskilled labor would do is change where it is designed not HOW it is designed.

You need to stop getting stuck on the $15 figure.

 

[Veliko]

That these employees who reheat processed food deserve ~$15/hr.

If you go into a position like this and expect to make ~2x minimum wage, you're dillusional.

This issue is about more than just the $15 headline figure.

 

[Olikan]

Anyone who agrees with what, exactly?

Do you not think that people have a right to try and get a wage increase?

partialy,
McD is indeed for low wage, and will always be...as it should be

but not getting an increase at all for 5 years of work, is just sad

 

[Veliko]

Honest question.

Do people really think businesses pay this little to unskilled workers because they are supressing them?

I mean, to keep costs as low as possible (to 'win' competition) one way is to lower wages. And as long as people are still going to work there for those wages, they will not change.

Honest question.

Do you think that if you keep repeating this stuff, you'll get rewarded by those that you are defending?

 

[diesbudt]

You need to stop getting stuck on the $15 figure.

Doesn't matter the figure.

$8, $11, $100.

Wages go up, costs go up to compensate. It may not be linearly, but they do.

 

[diesbudt]

Honest question.

Do you think that if you keep repeating this stuff, you'll get rewarded by those that you are defending?

No. It is called voluntary work. Trying to educate those on how the marketplace works.

You keep responding, and thus forces me to respond. Much like the wage go up, cost go up. It is an endless cycle until one stops.

 

[Veliko]

Doesn't matter the figure.

$8, $11, $100.

Wages go up, costs go up to compensate. It may not be linearly, but they do.

Yes, nothing is free.

So what?

This exact, same argument has been used throughout the ages every time any improvement in working conditions or pay has been proposed.

 

[Veliko]

No. It is called voluntary work. Trying to educate those on how the marketplace works.

You keep responding, and thus forces me to respond. Much like the wage go up, cost go up. It is an endless cycle until one stops.

This marketplace that you love so much, you don't really understand it beyond a superficial level.

 

[diesbudt]

partialy,
McD is indeed for low wage, and will always be...as it should be

but not getting an increase at all for 5 years of work, is just sad

This is true. And that is the workplaces fault. But I wonder why not.

My McD, gave evals out every 6 months. And if you did good. You got a raise. (Somehwre between $0.15-$0.25 / hr). over 5 years I know someone there who was making $10/hr and not a supervisor or manager. (This is a corporate rule)

maybe they are not a good worker, and thus not subject to raises?

 

[Imp]

I honestly do not understand how people do not see the ripple effect when it comes to those comments.

It isn't like a magic wand can raise wages and everything is good and golden. If X goes up, Y must go up, otherwise X gets let go because of a closed out business no longer making a profit.

I believe what the "other side" is advocating is for a culture shift by the rich and the "shareholders": take in less profits to help spread the wealth around. Costs will then not have to rise and workers can get more pay.

But you're in the country where you can't agree to raise taxes on the "rich".

In the current climate, and as clearly seen in this thread and forum alone, asking for a culture shift is not going to happen for a long time. Thus, your arguement of the ripple effects is correct.

 

[diesbudt]

This marketplace that you love so much, you don't really understand it beyond a superficial level.

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Now i just feel sorry for you...

First I never said I love it. But that random comment you made aside. That is ironic to call "my" market superfical yet you believe wages can go up for no ripple effect (that usually touches on cost).

... and thus I am done responding to you for just commenting on me now and not refuting/giving any explaination on how you believe raising wages would go, without affecting the marketplace. (Not talking about small raises but somethign drastic like $15 to McD workers like in the original article)

There cycle ended.

 

[Veliko]

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Now i just feel sorry for you...

First I never said I love it. But that random comment you made aside. That is ironic to call "my" market superfical yet you believe wages can go up for no ripple effect (that usually touches on cost).

... and thus I am done responding to you for just commenting on me now and not refuting/giving any explaination on how you believe raising wages would go, without affecting the marketplace. (Not talking about small raises but somethign drastic like $15 to McD workers like in the original article)

There cycle ended.

All you've done is confirm what I said.

 

[diesbudt]

I believe what the "other side" is advocating is for a culture shift by the rich and the "shareholders": take in less profits to help spread the wealth around. Costs will then not have to rise and workers can get more pay.

But you're in the country where you can't agree to raise taxes on the "rich".

In the current climate, and as clearly seen in this thread and forum alone, asking for a culture shift is not going to happen for a long time. Thus, your arguement of the ripple effects is correct.

Also a lot of businesses earn only a few % profits. It would be too hard to just raise wages, and thus reduce profit without going into the negative. And thus again, raising costs or cutting jobs to compensate.

I agree, change is needed in the market place and I have never said I am for this set-up or that there is not a better way it COULD be done.

I am just commenting on the reality of what our countries marketplace is like.

Or should I call use Wall street of America.

 

[kache]

Why even pay them?

Just give them housing, food, entertainment, transportation provided by the government.

I mean if every job deserves a living wage... why not just get rid of the wage and make it a living?

EDIT-- doctors and engineers can have 1 quality higher living level as per what the government has available at the time of application.

Give it time. Once we have completely robotic society basic necessities will be provided, and we'll have to work for entertainment and "luxury".

 

[diesbudt]

Give it time. Once we have completely robotic society basic necessities will be provided, and we'll have to work for entertainment and "luxury".

before or after Skynet?

 

[MaxPayne63]

Give it time. Once we have completely robotic society basic necessities will be provided, and we'll have to work for entertainment and "luxury".

I doubt it. A completely robotic society won't keep around so many useless eaters for long.

 

[kache]

They don't even have to fill sodas anymore and they think they should get $15/hr? Hell, I don't think I've even been greeted by a live person at the drive through mic. It's always a recorded greeting. They could probably just put in an ATM style touchscreen so I wouldn't have to have somebody punching in my order at all, then pull around and get my food.

They did it for Belgian MCs: ATM order machine, pay with credit card then go and get your plate once ready.
Works pretty damn good.

 

[nehalem256]

Give it time. Once we have completely robotic society basic necessities will be provided, and we'll have to work for entertainment and "luxury".

I doubt it. A completely robotic society won't keep around so many useless eaters for long.

Why will those of use who design and build said robots keep feeding those that are now absolutely worthless to us since we know longer need them to microwave our hamburgers?

 

[Imp]

I doubt it. A completely robotic society won't keep around so many useless eaters for long.

That's what the Matrix is for. Duh.

 

[Olikan]

maybe they are not a good worker, and thus not subject to raises?

don't really matter...working at McD is not a dream job to anyone, they should increase (less than a good one) just because of the fidelity. but no, let that guy go away and hire a new one...it's cheaper, so...why not?

as Veliko said, companyes that big just see the superficial level...
...example:
Kombi was a car designed by volkswagen to sell in Brazil, it could catch fire suddenly in a hot day, because it had a design problem...
volkswagen knew that, but it was cheaper to pay the lawsuits, than to change the production line

 

[zinfamous]

I'm certainly not the only one saying this, but it seems like the service industry is really the only outlet, going forward, for the "unskilled" labor class in this country.

Manufacturing is long gone, and it ain't coming back to the same numbers.

I wonder if all of these demands at places like Wally World and McD's are starting to rise as the "new service sector" starts to become saturated with laborers from other sectors, suddenly expecting the same types of wages and benefits that they once enjoyed (the enjoyment of which pretty much bankrupted their previous sectors, and sent their jobs overseas)

:hmm:

 

[TwiceOver]

I worked BK for about 3 years while I went to College. when I left I was making over $10/hr.

Sounds to me like she has a shitty franchise owner. It's not the corporation setting the wage...

Same goes with healthcare. I see all of these posts on FB saying to boycott BK, McD, Pizza Hut, Etc, because they don't provide healthcare. This is a franchisee decision and not a corporate decision. I had health and dental at the BK I worked for.