McDonald's workers want $15 an hour

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If you raise the floor of wages, then every worker will demand wage increases. Cost of living rises, and of course the rest of the wages will not rise fast enough to cover cost of living increases.

You just don't get it. Yes, everyone will get wage increases. But its the ratio of income that companies disburse that is the reason we have seen the middle class dying the last 30 years.

CEO's used to make far less. And profit as a percentage used to be less. Now more of the money goes to CEO's, upper management and stockholders. Screwing the middle class.

So, if McD's starts paying a living wage the CEO will make less. And a smaller percentage of revenue will go to the super rich who don't create jobs. However, more will go to the McD's worker who will now by YOUR product and help YOUR company to pay you more money to make up for the pennies more you paid at McDonalds.

Don't forget the insanity of lower wages is that eventually everyone gets paid such low wages that businesses lose sales. Which is the problem with the US economy.
 

Theb

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Within the range I'm willing to drive for lunch there are 4 Subways, 2 Starbucks and 1each of the other big fast food chains with the exception of Carl's jr, the closest one is just a little outside the range I'm willing to drive.

You going to kick his ass?

KT

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When I worked there they a procedure I had to do every night called changing the labels. What this entailed was actually removing the date labels from all the meat and produce which lets you know when it goes bad and making new labels starting from that night.

So, if the previous label was 11/29-12/04 you would change it to 12/04-11/29 and so forth until it sold. We had managers from multiple stores working in our store while I was there so this was not a single store issue.

I've never eaten there since.

You just don't get it. Yes, everyone will get wage increases. But its the ratio of income that companies disburse that is the reason we have seen the middle class dying the last 30 years.

CEO's used to make far less. And profit as a percentage used to be less. Now more of the money goes to CEO's, upper management and stockholders. Screwing the middle class.

So, if McD's starts paying a living wage the CEO will make less. And a smaller percentage of revenue will go to the super rich who don't create jobs. However, more will go to the McD's worker who will now by YOUR product and help YOUR company to pay you more money to make up for the pennies more you paid at McDonalds.

Don't forget the insanity of lower wages is that eventually everyone gets paid such low wages that businesses lose sales. Which is the problem with the US economy.

I am shocked at how few people actually understand this as the fact it is.
 
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diesbudt

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You just don't get it. Yes, everyone will get wage increases. But its the ratio of income that companies disburse that is the reason we have seen the middle class dying the last 30 years.

CEO's used to make far less. And profit as a percentage used to be less. Now more of the money goes to CEO's, upper management and stockholders. Screwing the middle class.

So, if McD's starts paying a living wage the CEO will make less. And a smaller percentage of revenue will go to the super rich who don't create jobs. However, more will go to the McD's worker who will now by YOUR product and help YOUR company to pay you more money to make up for the pennies more you paid at McDonalds.

Don't forget the insanity of lower wages is that eventually everyone gets paid such low wages that businesses lose sales. Which is the problem with the US economy.

Where does raising worker wages = lowering CEO wages?

Those are 2 seperate things. Yes CEO/CFO wages should be lowered. However, raising worker wages will not lower CEO/CFO wages, it will just raise costs of the product. That is capitalism at work.

Also you think companies have amazing profit %.... Most companies jump for joy at 4-5% a month. It isn't like mcdonalds is going in at 40-50% profit each month, it is just not happening. Hence why everything is so cheap at those resturants.

But you are trying to think X will affect Y, when it won't. As these are too seperate issues.
 
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diesbudt

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When I worked there they a procedure I had to do every night called changing the labels. What this entailed was actually removing the date labels from all the meat and produce which lets you know when it goes bad and making new labels starting from that night.

So, if the previous label was 11/29-12/04 you would change it to 12/04-11/29 and so forth until it sold. We had managers from multiple stores working in our store while I was there so this was not a single store issue.

I've never eaten there since.
They can get in trouble for this.

However my short time working at McD between graduating college and finding my engineering career, I can tell you it happened all the same there.
 

diesbudt

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I knew someone who made $15 at McDonald's...they were a Manager, though.

All the shift managers I knew at my McD was about $11-$12/hr.

And they were not allowed to work overtime unless drastic situations happened.
 

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Does anyone else think most fast food places actually could afford to pay more by cutting the overall number of workers and only keeping the best ones? Most times I'm in a fast food place there are 5-6 people working and 2-3 more staring off into space and drooling.


Depends on the location, where im at the Mcdonald's always has a line of 20 cars at the drive through and 30+ people inside of it. Its one of the new locations with wifi, hdtvs, and a starbuck's type of cafe inside. The workers there are busting their asses off non stop, i bet they make $8 a hour doing it and they bring in thousands a hour. A location like that could easily afford a higher wage due to the traffic and revenue being generated.

It looks like slave labor to me but hey, Florida is a "at will" state meaning if you dont like it then leave. There are plenty of foreign people here from Haiti and other areas who will take their spot in the slave machine given the chance. 10 or 15$ a hour ? Not gonna happen when the economy has so many people out of work that even working like a slave will have ppl lining up to do it.
 

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I actually wish they would pay fast food workers more... maybe that way they'll retain people who bother to know what the fuck is in their own menu.
 

Aikouka

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Its very sad how the American middle class is killing themselves with their propaganda driven view of economics.

If McDonalds workers made say 12 dollars an hour then there would be less people on food stamps and other government benefits. When you add the millions of people who are in food service alone that would be brought up from poverty to a financial situation where they pay taxes, don't recieve benefits and join the "consumer class" the economy of America would jump so high that the nickle or dime it cost a person per burger would be easily paid off by better wages for everyone.

The myth that low wages helps the middle class is the same myth that the job creators are wealthy people.
Its consumer demand that creates jobs. And its the availability of labor that determines wages. Increase demand and the demand for workers rise, raising everyones wages.

Techs, you're completely ignoring a very important aspect of people such as food service workers. These people tend to represent the lower class or people that are closer to the poverty level. This group of people have a very important role in the economics of society as they essentially define the bottom level of what services are worth. This base cost is factored into everything that we pay for. Essentially, I'm saying the same thing that everyone else has said to you... you would just cause inflation.

I've talked about this in P&N, but essentially, social stratification is NECESSARY. We need a lower class. Honestly, if you want wages to be much closer in parity, then you might as well just advocate communism. I'm not trying to pull at typical Fox News approach by spouting off crap like "communism" or "socialism", but the basic concept of communism is that everyone is equal -- whether it actually ends up like that is a completely different story!

Our social programs exist because unlike some past societies, we prefer our lower class to not live like paupers. Essentially, social programs allow them to have a wage that's much closer to livable without actually having to adjust the bottom line. It's either that or being complacent about people living in hovels and barely scraping by.

Actually for Mcdonalds speed, currently they have 3-5 people on food prep.

1 cook, 2/4 people assemblying the cooked food. If you drop it to one, the time per food made would be too drastically increased, in that business would take a huge hit.

(Aka unsuccessful)

Excluding the very heavy periods of the day, which is usually lunch and maybe dinner, a single person on food prep was typically very doable. I used to work at McDonald's when I was a teen, and there were many times when I was the only person preparing the food (grill + assembly). Honestly, it's really not that hard, because grilling just involves pulling patties out of a freezer right beside the grill, smacking them onto the front of the grill (this loosens them as they're usually stuck together), tossing them onto the grill in a 3x3 pattern (for regs) and closing the clamshell. Then you just pull down a tray and put a liner in it so you're ready when they're done. That takes maybe a total of 7-10 seconds (depending on how badly stuck together the burgers are :p).

Keep in mind that part of the wait in assembly is the bun toaster (about 10-15 seconds), which means the above grilling could easily take place during the toasting process. Assembling sandwiches isn't that hard as long as you know what goes on them, which means you aren't forced to stop and look (there's usually a cheat sheet above the assembly line). Even though I haven't worked at McDonald's in over a decade, I bet that I could assemble a double cheeseburger in probably around 7-10 seconds. What usually makes it harder (and take longer) is when people order things with changes made as that usually throws a wrench into the monotony.

But yes, they normally staff both sides of the prep table during heavy periods, and it is typically with one person or two people on each side.

Hmm thinking about it... I worked at McDonald's prior to going to college, and most college kids would take a break while in college. Well, I never actually quit after I left for college, but I never announced my availability (essentially, I never returned from my college leave). I wonder if I'm still technically employed there? :p

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They can get in trouble for this.

However my short time working at McD between graduating college and finding my engineering career, I can tell you it happened all the same there.

I never saw this sort of thing happen, and you would actually be surprised at how much food we would have to throw out. Although, the one benefit of working the closing shift was you could sneak some leftovers that were destined for the trash. :p They weren't bad or spoiled, but the only meat that we ever reheated was the bacon. A good manager's job is to help keep waste to a minimum, and a good general manager should ensure that the store isn't wasting food supplies (i.e. ordering too much and having it go to waste in the freezer).
 
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Theb

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All the shift managers I knew at my McD was about $11-$12/hr.

And they were not allowed to work overtime unless drastic situations happened.

When I worked in fast food the hierarchy was

Peon = minimum wage
specialist/trainer = minimum wage + $1.00
Shift Lead = Minimum wage + $2 to $3
Assistant Manager = $30k a year
Store manager = $40k+

It's terrible, terrible work at all levels. I think it's extremely unfair that they drug test because no one should be expected to do any of those jobs sober.

Retail is a hell of a lot better in every aspect except there's more competition for promotions.
 

RPD

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You'd think working a shitty job/shitty pay would be motivation by itself to seek a better job.
 

peonyu

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:):thumbsup:

The market = minimum wage, the economy sucks so bad that there are people with degrees working at mickeyD's. The winners are the corporations, they cry crocodile tears over the economy [for PR reasons] but they are the ones making out like bandits in this economy. A stronger economy might mean that they would have to pay their workers more since the countless numbers of John Doe's out there now with a degree would be working in the field they went to school for [and not applying to mcd].
 

Imp

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I never saw this sort of thing happen, and you would actually be surprised at how much food we would have to throw out. Although, the one benefit of working the closing shift was you could sneak some leftovers that were destined for the trash. :p They weren't bad or spoiled, but the only meat that we ever reheated was the bacon. A good manager's job is to help keep waste to a minimum, and a good general manager should ensure that the store isn't wasting food supplies (i.e. ordering too much and having it go to waste in the freezer).

You should tell that to someone I know... he used to be a McDonalds Manager and gloated about how he'd let all his employees have a condiment fight during the night shift. Ya, be proud that you wasted a few gallons of everything.
 

diesbudt

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I used to work at McDonald's when I was a teen, and there were many times when I was the only person preparing the food (grill + assembly). Honestly, it's really not that hard, because grilling just involves pulling patties out of a freezer right beside the grill, smacking them onto the front of the grill (this loosens them as they're usually stuck together), tossing them onto the grill in a 3x3 pattern (for regs) and closing the clamshell. Then you just pull down a tray and put a liner in it so you're ready when they're done. That takes maybe a total of 7-10 seconds (depending on how badly stuck together the burgers are :p).

Keep in mind that part of the wait in assembly is the bun toaster (about 10-15 seconds), which means the above grilling could easily take place during the toasting process. Assembling sandwiches isn't that hard as long as you know what goes on them, which means you aren't forced to stop and look (there's usually a cheat sheet above the assembly line). Even though I haven't worked at McDonald's in over a decade, I bet that I could assemble a double cheeseburger in probably around 7-10 seconds. What usually makes it harder (and take longer) is when people order things with changes made as that usually throws a wrench into the monotony.

But yes, they normally staff both sides of the prep table during heavy periods, and it is typically with one person or two people on each side.

Hmm thinking about it... I worked at McDonald's prior to going to college, and most college kids would take a break while in college. Well, I never actually quit after I left for college, but I never announced my availability (essentially, I never returned from my college leave). I wonder if I'm still technically employed there? :p

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I never saw this sort of thing happen, and you would actually be surprised at how much food we would have to throw out. Although, the one benefit of working the closing shift was you could sneak some leftovers that were destined for the trash. :p They weren't bad or spoiled, but the only meat that we ever reheated was the bacon. A good manager's job is to help keep waste to a minimum, and a good general manager should ensure that the store isn't wasting food supplies (i.e. ordering too much and having it go to waste in the freezer).

First yes. The grilling. I love how stuck the patties are together, you just tap them on the grill and viola! Loosened patties! It was actually kinda of amusing....

Second, yea when slow cooking was easy. Not much attentions is needed. However when busy trying to cook all the meat (10:1, 4:1, 3:1, (mcrib when I worked), grilled chicken, crispy chicken, chicken nuggets, fish filets, and chicken patties it is not easy. (Sometimes around Xmas last year a 2nd cook had to be back there helping)


And yea the bun toasting was the SLOWEST damn part EVER. However, our manager had a strict 45s policy. That ment once an order hit the screen, it had 45s to be fulfilled and brought to the "finish line" to be bagged. (This + cooking cannot happen by 1 person by themselves if the order is beyond a single eating persons meal)

We never did play around with expiration/best use by times on the meat. The meat products were thrown out quite often. However the Pies/turnovers? bake them, and then a sticker for "how long they are good for (some time of day)" and if they went past, and we still had plenty... the stickers just came off.

Oh yea. closing shift? anything left over the managers usually let us take. I remember one night as I was going to a party I took home 30 nuggets, 2 boxes of sharable chicken poppers, 6 mcchicken patties, Big mac, and 4 side salads. (As they have to be thrown out at end of night too)
 

diesbudt

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You should tell that to someone I know... he used to be a McDonalds Manager and gloated about how he'd let all his employees have a condiment fight during the night shift. Ya, be proud that you wasted a few gallons of everything.

lol my manager taught us the greatest food creation ever.

Steam a bun, put 2 slices of cheese, the breakfast sause on the "steak egg and cheese bagels" and resteam it.

Yum.

Also DO NOT I repeat DO NOT cook mcgriddle paddies via grease. It tastes AMAZING, but you feel SO SICK afterwards.

the Ass. GM is a fan of weightlifting.

I started, and my first day I was learning the grill, he was told I used to weight lift hard and do football, so he immediatly came up to me, stared at me, and then said meet him in the break room. I got in there and we had an arm wrestling match, which turned into an actual wrestling match.


Yes, I had a lot of fun working there sadly. Though it is not career worthy, unless you really enjoy it, are good and can rise up in the organization.
 
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diesbudt

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When I worked in fast food the hierarchy was

Peon = minimum wage
specialist/trainer = minimum wage + $1.00
Shift Lead = Minimum wage + $2 to $3
Assistant Manager = $30k a year
Store manager = $40k+

It's terrible, terrible work at all levels. I think it's extremely unfair that they drug test because no one should be expected to do any of those jobs sober.

Retail is a hell of a lot better in every aspect except there's more competition for promotions.

i agree to the extent that they cant be doing Meth or some crazy ass drugs while on the job. I don't want to see someone sticking their head into the boiling grease.
 

Aikouka

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First yes. The grilling. I love how stuck the patties are together, you just tap them on the grill and viola! Loosened patties! It was actually kinda of amusing....

Yeah, if I had time, I would try to break them apart prior to needing to take them out. It usually made things easier, and so did stacking them in 9s for regs and... I think 6s for quarters. I never had to deal with the thirds.

Second, yea when slow cooking was easy. Not much attentions is needed. However when busy trying to cook all the meat (10:1, 4:1, 3:1, (mcrib when I worked), grilled chicken, crispy chicken, chicken nuggets, fish filets, and chicken patties it is not easy. (Sometimes around Xmas last year a 2nd cook had to be back there helping)

Well, when I worked there, only the first five things in your list were typically handled by the person on grill. If you weren't as busy and the assembly line was still staffed, they might also have you help with the fried goods. In the store where I worked, the chest freezer (with the meat patties) and the fry hopper were in between the frier and the grill. So, you really couldn't easily hop over as quickly as the last person on the assembly line could as the UHCs were right across from the friers.


And yea the bun toasting was the SLOWEST damn part EVER. However, our manager had a strict 45s policy. That ment once an order hit the screen, it had 45s to be fulfilled and brought to the "finish line" to be bagged. (This + cooking cannot happen by 1 person by themselves if the order is beyond a single eating persons meal)

We had the same sort of strict policies on production, but as long as things were set up correctly and people didn't change the sandwiches too much, I could finish a sandwich very quickly. That excludes people that ordered their sandwiches plain... I :wub: those people as they made my life easy. :p Even though it's been a decade, I'm pretty certain that I can still assemble any sandwich that I made during my tenure.

We never did play around with expiration/best use by times on the meat. The meat products were thrown out quite often. However the Pies/turnovers? bake them, and then a sticker for "how long they are good for (some time of day)" and if they went past, and we still had plenty... the stickers just came off.

I'm not sure what we did about the pies. All I ever did was bake the pies and cookies, but since they were kept up front, I didn't deal with the disposal. My brother also worked at McDonald's, and he often worked the register, so I could ask him what happened to 'em.

Oh yea. closing shift? anything left over the managers usually let us take. I remember one night as I was going to a party I took home 30 nuggets, 2 boxes of sharable chicken poppers, 6 mcchicken patties, Big mac, and 4 side salads. (As they have to be thrown out at end of night too)

I think the manager would have been chewed out by the owner if he had that much waste! :eek:

When I worked in fast food the hierarchy was...

I think I was paid $6.25 as my base pay plus an extra dollar since I was typically assigned to closing shift... so $7.25 an hour. Obviously, that's minimum wage now, but according to this site, minimum wage was only $5.15 an hour. My brother worked for McDonald's from 14 to about 18, and I think he made over $9 an hour by the end.

You should tell that to someone I know... he used to be a McDonalds Manager and gloated about how he'd let all his employees have a condiment fight during the night shift. Ya, be proud that you wasted a few gallons of everything.

I would never do that! Why? Because you have to clean it up! :p

Yes, I had a lot of fun working there sadly. Though it is not career worthy, unless you really enjoy it, are good and can rise up in the organization.

Yeah, I'd argue that to make a more menial job fun, you really need fun people to be around. It doesn't mean that you're lackadaisical and don't do your job properly, but you're able to have fun with others while doing it. When I worked in IT, we always did a good job, but we all knew each other and could have fun joking around while fixing computers or whatever. You should see what happens when we plugged a dud hard drive into a wall socket! :twisted:
 

waggy

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I'm just about as liberal as they come, but working at McD's isn't supposed to be a career...

what's the diffrence between McDonalds and Walmart?
why are some for walmart getting "living wage" yet seems many are against McD's?

When I worked in fast food the hierarchy was

Peon = minimum wage
specialist/trainer = minimum wage + $1.00
Shift Lead = Minimum wage + $2 to $3
Assistant Manager = $30k a year
Store manager = $40k+

It's terrible, terrible work at all levels. I think it's extremely unfair that they drug test because no one should be expected to do any of those jobs sober.

Retail is a hell of a lot better in every aspect except there's more competition for promotions.

lol when i worked at McDonalds (15-16) i was hired $.20 more then min wage! lol $4. something i think an hour or so
 
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coldmeat

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Maybe if they paid them more, they might actually get my order right for a change.
 

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For those that failed ECO-101:whiste:

Increased Wages => increase overhead => lower profits.

To reset profits
  • Lower overhead
  • Increase revenue

Example
Wages increased 20%

To retain profit margin
Sales revenue go up 20% => prices increase 20%

That helps no one - increase wages are eaten (pun) by increased costs - close to neutral effect on economy except for those that do not get the 20% increase.

Reduce work force by 20%
To keep same labor costs

If same revenue stream can not be maintained - reduce work force by 1 and add in OT for existing workers

Now who wins:colbert:
For those that are working with OT; win, win
For those that are working without OT - neutral
For those that lost their jobs - loss



this is a linear example; but anything else will go over the Robin Hood heads
 
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Hugo Drax

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College sucks now. Its different. The quality is down, the number of grads is way up. My college went on a "admit 5,000 more students, hire no additional faculty!!!" idea, as if it was the most brilliant thing ever. Aggregate GPA's, graduate school admissions, internships all plummeted as did the 4-year graduation rate.

They need to get rid of the Lemon socialist backstop and treat a college loan note like any other unsecured note.

Let people declare chapter 11 and get out of a college loan. You will see how quick college prices plummet and how many shade for profits disappear.
 

Hugo Drax

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How about we let the market decide what they should be paid?

We need to get rid of government benefits (ie foodstamps etc..) And then we can let the market decide wages. As long as we have a taxpayer funded backstop we will never free market economy.