McConnel onboard with impeachment?

[MtnMan]

I recognize that it isn't normal. OTOH, the Senate has no power over how the executive branch conducts their affairs. It's only been a week since Congress accepted the EC vote. You offer no historical context as to confirmation hearings, either. You need to prove it's abby-normal rather than just claim it is.

Accuracy matters. Lack of it just gives ammunition to the opposition. I'm no fan of McConnell. OTOH, he never supported the stolen election bullshit, either. He said Trump had the right to pursue legal options, which was true. When the EC voted, he broke with Trump & acknowledged Biden as President Elect. He urged his caucus to follow his lead Jan 6, calling it the most consequential vote of his career. He's not the villain here.

That is the ONLY thing he has not supported Trump in. He has been a 100% loyal lapdog and enabler until he finally figured out Trump was TOXIC to him. He wouldn't meet in person simply he didn't want to expose himself to COVID, and he didn't support the stolen election BS, as that stance is also dangerous to him.

FUCK HIM!

 

[Thump553]

That is the ONLY thing he has not supported Trump in. He has been a 100% loyal lapdog and enabler until he finally figured out Trump was TOXIC to him. He wouldn't meet in person simply he didn't want to expose himself to COVID, and he didn't support the stolen election BS, as that stance is also dangerous to him.

FUCK HIM!

I understand your anger but I think you have it completely wrong who is the lackey and who is the controller. As an evil genius McConnell has done a pretty masterful job of controlling Trump, getting what he wanted out of him and is now in a position to bury him forever when it is convenient to McConnell. He's done even a better job than the other controller (Putin) but Putin got far more of value out of Trump.

 

[Heartbreaker]

What if Mitch doesn't have confidence the senate GOP will convict now, so he wants to delay until more incriminating details of Trump's involvement in the insurrection come to light?

The turtle hates Trump, and would love to be rid of him, especially now that the GOP is hemorrhaging donors.

Sorry, but they are NEVER, EVER going to vote to Convict Trump of impeachment.

Mitch is just gaming the Democrats. He wants them to waste as much time on the trial as possible, eating into Bidens Agenda, until Mitch calculates the Republicans can win back the Senate at Midterms and then they effectively kill the government. That is very likely what is going to happen.

By dangling hope of support, Mitch gets the Democrats to waste more time on this losing cause. You will see him saying they need more time, and more witnesses, and he will privately dangle hope that he is convincing more Republican Senators. Democrats have to realize Mitch is Machiavelli reincarnated. He may look like a goofy Turtle cartoon, but his is a quiet calculating evil.

So I really hope the Democrats don't fall for his ploy, and just rush through it, take the loss and move on. Joe Biden has two years to accomplish something with his Presidency. Waste the absolute minimum time on Trump Impeachment.

 

[MtnMan]

I understand your anger but I think you have it completely wrong who is the lackey and who is the controller. As an evil genius McConnell has done a pretty masterful job of controlling Trump, getting what he wanted out of him and is now in a position to bury him forever when it is convenient to McConnell. He's done even a better job than the other controller (Putin) but Putin got far more of value out of Trump.

To abandon Trump when Trump was a threat to him and, no longer of any use to him. FUCK HIM!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Perhaps we'll finally get back to some normalcy

Except normalcy is how we got to Trump.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Exactly, seems Pence is pissed too because he was there and his wife and daughter were there. Sort of hard to get over that.
President gets a bunch of nuts super excited, tells them to march to the capitol and support our beloved friends (or similar) and take democracy back (or similar), then when shit goes down he says “I love you guys”

If Pence was pissed there was a remedy he could have executed: the 25th amendment. Most pathetic thing I have ever seen is that little boy just lying there and taking it when Trump sent his Nazi army to the Capitol to go execute him.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

He's onboard, but not to help the country. If he wasn't a traitor himself the impeachment would be handled with the velocity and drive of a holy roller shithead being foisted on the Supreme Court. The only thing Mitch cares about is taking care of rich people and sandbagging minority republican power to resist democratic representation.

I think he doesn't have the votes to convict or he and Schumer would have called the senate back to strike while the fire is hot. We already saw in 2018 the Trump death cult doesn't show up when Trump is on the ballot so McConnell isn't risking a lot in the midterms and probably thinks he can win back the white suburban vote that Trump turned away.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Despite the last few posts above, there is this article indicating Mitch is considering conviction, but can his word be taken seriously?

'Time to shiv him': Trump's political future in serious jeopardy as Republicans say Senate conviction and permanent ban from holding office remain very much in play

Sen. Mitch McConnell is considering a vote to convict Trump. It could lead to Trump becoming the first ex-president barred from holding federally elected office.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[fleshconsumed]

Despite the last few posts above, there is this article indicating Mitch is considering conviction, but can his word be taken seriously?

'Time to shiv him': Trump's political future in serious jeopardy as Republicans say Senate conviction and permanent ban from holding office remain very much in play

Sen. Mitch McConnell is considering a vote to convict Trump. It could lead to Trump becoming the first ex-president barred from holding federally elected office.

www.businessinsider.com

Do you remember reading stories during first impeachment that said McConnel was considering allowing witnesses at the Senate trial? Remember how that turned out? Here's your answer.

 

[BoomerD]

Despite the last few posts above, there is this article indicating Mitch is considering conviction, but can his word be taken seriously?

'Time to shiv him': Trump's political future in serious jeopardy as Republicans say Senate conviction and permanent ban from holding office remain very much in play

Sen. Mitch McConnell is considering a vote to convict Trump. It could lead to Trump becoming the first ex-president barred from holding federally elected office.

www.businessinsider.com

No, I don't think so. MAYBE it's a plan to force/justify Trump's resignation...and pardon by Pence...I dunno.

"Mr. President, if you don't resign the office and let Mike Pence pardon you ala Nixon, then the Senate will have enough votes to convict you and ban you from any future office, plus they will strip you of many of the perks afforded former presidents."

 

[Heartbreaker]

No, I don't think so. MAYBE it's a plan to force/justify Trump's resignation...and pardon by Pence...I dunno.

"Mr. President, if you don't resign the office and let Mike Pence pardon you ala Nixon, then the Senate will have enough votes to convict you and ban you from any future office, plus they will strip you of many of the perks afforded former presidents."

They aren't running games on Trump, they are running them on the Democrats.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Sorry, but they are NEVER, EVER going to vote to Convict Trump of impeachment.

Mitch is just gaming the Democrats. He wants them to waste as much time on the trial as possible, eating into Bidens Agenda, until Mitch calculates the Republicans can win back the Senate at Midterms and then they effectively kill the government. That is very likely what is going to happen.

By dangling hope of support, Mitch gets the Democrats to waste more time on this losing cause. You will see him saying they need more time, and more witnesses, and he will privately dangle hope that he is convincing more Republican Senators. Democrats have to realize Mitch is Machiavelli reincarnated. He may look like a goofy Turtle cartoon, but his is a quiet calculating evil.

So I really hope the Democrats don't fall for his ploy, and just rush through it, take the loss and move on. Joe Biden has two years to accomplish something with his Presidency. Waste the absolute minimum time on Trump Impeachment.

You are probably right, and I'm not holding my breath. But there are a number of different factors this time around, which leads me to what is most likely false hope.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1349795737425633287

https://twitter.com/x/status/1349805637908242433

 

[Heartbreaker]

You are probably right, and I'm not holding my breath. But there are a number of different factors this time around, which leads me to what is most likely false hope.

They only got what, ~5% of the House Republicans, to Vote for Impeachment when it was only a symbolic thing because the Democrats had the Votes without them, and Anti-Trump, Anti-Insurrection outrage is fresh and strong right now.

For the Senate Vote they will all be back to Normal, have all their Spin and excuses worked out, and Democrats need ~20% of Senate Republicans onside.

That will NEVER happen. I don't use "never" very often. I usually talk about low odds. But this will never happen, and Democrats should have that as their working assumption. Assume Mitch is playing them, because he probably is, and even if he wasn't, he would never find the votes.

 

[BoomerD]

They only got what, ~5% of the House Republicans, to Vote for Impeachment when it was only a symbolic thing because the Democrats had the Votes without them, and Anti-Trump, Anti-Insurrection outrage is fresh and strong right now.

For the Senate Vote they will all be back to Normal, have all their Spin and excuses worked out, and Democrats need ~20% of Senate Republicans onside.

That will NEVER happen. I don't use "never" very often. I usually talk about low odds. But this will never happen, and Democrats should have that as their working assumption. Assume Mitch is playing them, because he probably is, and even if he wasn't, he would never find the votes.

I'll be extremely surprised if the (R)'s hang King Donnie the Impeached out to dry.

 

[Muse]

IF Mitch votes for impeachment he could bring over a bunch of R's. Senate impeachment could (SHOULD) happen.

Of course, banning the dessicating turd for the moment in the White House from any office again, should happen.

Trump should be found guilty of TREASON.

The fact that Merrick Garland will be Attorney General is great, wonderful, merritorious, fitting, ironic. I hope he has a nice big chip on his shoulder that provides continual energy in his assignment to pursue justice for the attack on the Capitol and the grievous injury thus suffered by our nation. None of the guilty should be spared full justice, sending a warning to would be traitors going forward.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

IF Mitch votes for impeachment he could bring over a bunch of R's. Senate impeachment could (SHOULD) happen.

It may be semantics and nit picking, but in a situation this serious, the words are imperative.

The Senate cannot vote to Impeach. The House has already impeached him. It's now up to the Senate to hear testimony and vote to convict or not.

 

[BoomerD]

It may be semantics and nit picking, but in a situation this serious, the words are imperative.

The Senate cannot vote to Impeach. The House has already impeached him. It's now up to the Senate to hear testimony and vote to convict or not.

You are technically correct. Think of the House impeachment like a Grand Jury hearing...to decide whether there is enough evidence to proceed to trial. The Senate trial is more like the actual criminal trial where the "defendant" is either convicted or acquitted. Expulsion from office, loss of SOME perks afforded to past presidents, and banned from holding future offices are the main penalties that can be handed down if he's convicted.