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There's already fines on the books now, but the big industries still save lots of money even accounting for the fines should they get caught. Jail time would be the only deterrent that may work.

You mean jail time for the managers/execs that are hiring those people, correct?

Edit: Ah, see you specified that earlier!
 
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Seeking asylum is not a violation of the law. FFS.



Conservatives care about homeless people as much as they do about veterans. As in, they do until they're asked to spend a nickel to fix the problem.

OP and the usual conservative clown brigade know this and don't care. They are the type of people that would have been against Jewish immigrants from Germany even knowing about the Holocaust. Interesting how many Christians are this way, apparently ignorant that if they're against immigrants like that, they would've been on the side of the Romans crucifying Jesus since he was doing exactly what they're mad about.

As far as veterans go, its the same as every other bad situation, conservatives have shown they only offer thoughts and prayers and we know that the adage "a penny for your thoughts" is overpriced for that, and their prayers have never accomplished anything.
 
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Lezunto

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So you personally have traveled the country talking to people about this issue?
And do you also support jailing(since fines don't work) those business owners that knowingly exploit their labor?

Ever hear of this amazing new thingy called the Internets?

I'm a retired news reporter and editor. It's amazing how much ground one can cover for folks who know little about canvassing and asking a few questions. Of you can read comments on various Websites.

As far as imprisoning those who exploit, we're back to producing evidence and then actually pressing legitimate criminal or civil charges.
 

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Biden's America? You are as always, dishonest. Reagan gave them amnesty, and the border has been there for many decades. But no, it's just Joe.

The reason you people can spew such dishonest and misleading info is because you know Republicans don't care about honesty or information.

I'm a Dem. But I'm not crazy or one of those anything goes folks. I'm a moderate Democrat.

Basically, the more funds spent on those crossing the border illegally means less funding for folks already living here. In an era when purse strings for social programs have tightened considerably, this is a huge concern for me and millions of others.

Those who are doing well (or pretending to) rarely think about this.
 

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Try doing in Canada. If you try to illegally cross the border over there and get a job illegally you will be caught, jailed and eventually deported so fast your head will spin. You will also be permanently barred from reentering Canada.

Ok I'll discuss something with you based on facts without insults.

First a lot of illegals have lived in Canada and still do to this day. The only thing is its too damn cold to survive without a job. So most get jobs so they can pay the rent of a house. Canadians are happy to get rents from them.

Now that said the American population is roughly 330 million. That means you're roughly 3.5% of the entire world's population.

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How do you plan to keep the other side out if it outnumbers you by that much.. or if you prefer numbers.. 3000%?

These people are migrating over deserts filled with rattlesnakes and other things and determined to reach America. If you ship em back.. they'll just make the trip again.

But anyways lets talk about illegals in Texas.

Texas is nice and warm most of the time so easy for illegals to survive. Most illegals don't stay in New York because of the cold.. the first winter will drive many down south which is why New Yorker's are not panicing.

If you don't want to see illegals.. move to a really cold or really hot place. Arizona or New Mexico might be good. The heat will make the migrants move out faster than any Americans will.

You may not like the replies but you can think for yourself without trusting politicians or their websites. Just let go of the right wing echochamber for a day or 2 and think for yourself. You'll find solutions faster without getting angry at things.
 
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Mayor Lori Lightfoot was able to do what she did. New York's Mayor Eric Adams cannot do the same. Suburbs surrounding New York City may not be that welcoming to migrants.

In fact, the mayor of Plainfield, N.J., had to address residents who were concerned about White Supremacists showing up to join a local Labor Day parade. ( https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-supremacists-crash-south-plainfield-new-jersey-labor-day-parade )

What most of my detractors seem unable to understand are the skyrocketing apartment rents, sub-standard housing and dangerous neighborhoods many of these migrants may have to live in. The many poor of New York City, Long Island and Westchester County already exist in such conditions.

Not everyone is waiting for or getting a handout. Many people on welfare in NYC do actually work. But one cannot afford to pay these sky-high rents on minimum wage salaries.

These high food, clothing and appliance prices are a ticking time bomb. Municipal finances will not be able to cope with rising prices if they have to underwrite the total living and healthcare costs of penniless new arrivals sans relatives to tide them over.

Since so many restaurants, small businesses and other services have shut down over the course of the pandemic and never reopened, there are few opportunities for arrivals without English skills to earn a living.

New York City is not financially sound. No new affordable housing is being built. It's all expensive, luxury apartments that are available. That's why there's so many homeless.

Anyone can come to the U.S. But if they arrive without permission or documentation, they may have a tough time navigating the rules of their new country. It all depends on whom they meet and who's willing to lend them a hand.

There are some community groups that will teach migrants, new arrivals or the down and out needy how to apply at social service agencies in different languages. Some may even have municipal service contracts. But what happens when the federal government, as it been wont to do, refuses to fund social service proposals? What happens then?

We're being set up for vicious and brutal class warfare with possible real deaths occurring because the working poor, even those who make what was once known as Middle Class salaries are being forced to compete for scarce housing, expensive foodstuffs and reduced services.

It's one thing to scream, hurl insults and tell others to shut up. It's that ignorant, impatient and hateful individuals do. But it's quite another to offering WORKABLE solutions.

Because that's what moderate Democrats such as myself try to do.
 
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Ever hear of this amazing new thingy called the Internets?

I'm a retired news reporter and editor. It's amazing how much ground one can cover for folks who know little about canvassing and asking a few questions. Of you can read comments on various Websites.

As far as imprisoning those who exploit, we're back to producing evidence and then actually pressing legitimate criminal or civil charges.
Many get fined all the time, it doesn’t make the news. So proof doesn’t seem to be a problem.
 

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That was not the issue with me. I'm more concerned with landlords and multi-apartment building owners not making timely repairs and evicting tenants unlawfully.

Someone else brought up that issue.
 
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Well the fines need to hurt more; massively increase the fines AND put the leaders in jail.
Amazing that this is something we all agree upon and have agreed upon for a decade plus yet nothing gets done.
I think it is time to recognize the handful of tea party leftovers that literally filibuster EVERYTHING as a reason why there never is action and yes not to be Mr Bothaides but it needs to be said, simply have a vote and use the no filibuster nuclear rule.
 
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Ok I'll discuss something with you based on facts without insults.

First a lot of illegals have lived in Canada and still do to this day. The only thing is its too damn cold to survive without a job. So most get jobs so they can pay the rent of a house. Canadians are happy to get rents from them.

Now that said the American population is roughly 330 million. That means you're roughly 3.5% of the entire world's population.

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How do you plan to keep the other side out if it outnumbers you by that much.. or if you prefer numbers.. 3000%?

These people are migrating over deserts filled with rattlesnakes and other things and determined to reach America. If you ship em back.. they'll just make the trip again.

But anyways lets talk about illegals in Texas.

Texas is nice and warm most of the time so easy for illegals to survive. Most illegals don't stay in New York because of the cold.. the first winter will drive many down south which is why New Yorker's are not panicing.

If you don't want to see illegals.. move to a really cold or really hot place. Arizona or New Mexico might be good. The heat will make the migrants move out faster than any Americans will.

You may not like the replies but you can think for yourself without trusting politicians or their websites. Just let go of the right wing echochamber for a day or 2 and think for yourself. You'll find solutions faster without getting angry at things.

Your argument is silly. Arizona has plenty of immigrants. Also baffling is you acting like Arizona heat is more palatable to old white people from say Minnesota than people from Mexico and South America or the Middle East.

Also, don't take the bait. That dipshit used to insult people all the time (and regularly tries to demonize liberals, he just stopped most of his insults directed at specific people because it just showed that he was an angry idiot and not just simply an idiot) and used to brag about it til it caused no one to take him seriously. Well that's not true. No one takes him seriously because he's a dumb shit that I have never seen provide a salient argument on a topic. He used to openly brag about just spouting bullshit and then threw a tantrum when people just started laughing at him and pointed back to him admitting he was trolling. And now he's on the "liberals are wrong because they're mean to me" strain of bullshit arguments. Just another right winger that couldn't handle 1/1000th of what they tried dishing out, triggering their ingrained/indoctrinated/brainwashed victim complex.
 

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These cities should just load them back into buses and ship them back to Dallas or Austin.
The mayors of Dallas and Austin have their hands tied by Abott. They are forced to send migrants back to Mexico, or the mayor could face jail time.
 

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Ok I'll discuss something with you based on facts without insults.

First a lot of illegals have lived in Canada and still do to this day. The only thing is its too damn cold to survive without a job. So most get jobs so they can pay the rent of a house. Canadians are happy to get rents from them.

Now that said the American population is roughly 330 million. That means you're roughly 3.5% of the entire world's population.

How do you plan to keep the other side out if it outnumbers you by that much.. or if you prefer numbers.. 3000%?

These people are migrating over deserts filled with rattlesnakes and other things and determined to reach America. If you ship em back.. they'll just make the trip again.

But anyways lets talk about illegals in Texas.

Texas is nice and warm most of the time so easy for illegals to survive. Most illegals don't stay in New York because of the cold.. the first winter will drive many down south which is why New Yorker's are not panicing.

If you don't want to see illegals.. move to a really cold or really hot place. Arizona or New Mexico might be good. The heat will make the migrants move out faster than any Americans will.

You may not like the replies but you can think for yourself without trusting politicians or their websites. Just let go of the right wing echochamber for a day or 2 and think for yourself. You'll find solutions faster without getting angry at things.

Im honestly trying to make sense of this. First you mention that there are numerous illegals in Canada. While that may be true, they are working to remove and return them to their country of origin. I was actually surprised at the level of stringent screening that is done at the Canadian border to keep the wrong foreigners out (even Americans), even to just to visit for a day or go on vacation (much less emigrate illegally). Here is just one of a series of videos:


Trying to enter Canada stoned or carrying even a tiny amount of weed? Expect to arrested. If you try to enter with insufficient means to return home, you will be returned home. In one video, they called the guys employers, banks, etc. He was deported.

How about traveling to Mexico? The police hang around hotels and resorts and pull over tourist buses in Mexico, gab everyones IDs and check for people overstaying Visas. Lots of people think it doesnt matter and Mexico does not care, but its a big money maker to imprison people for VISA violations:


There are other videos of other people getting thrown in Mexican jails for staying too long. Google says you can stay up to 6 months, but alas, that is not universal. You are actually assigned a random number of days (even just TWO DAYS in some cases). If you dont ask what date you are expected to leave, you could spend and an indefinite amount of time in jail. People are there in very bad conditions for days, weeks, months or longer with the guards fucking with them the whole time.
 

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Im honestly trying to make sense of this. First you mention that there are numerous illegals in Canada. While that may be true, they are working to remove and return them to their country of origin. I was actually surprised at the level of stringent screening that is done at the Canadian border to keep the wrong foreigners out (even Americans), even to just to visit for a day or go on vacation (much less emigrate illegally). Here is just one of a series of videos:


Trying to enter Canada stoned or carrying even a tiny amount of weed? Expect to arrested. If you try to enter with insufficient means to return home, you will be returned home. In one video, they called the guys employers, banks, etc. He was deported.

How about traveling to Mexico? The police hang around hotels and resorts and pull over tourist buses in Mexico, gab everyones IDs and check for people overstaying Visas. Lots of people think it doesnt matter and Mexico does not care, but its a big money maker to imprison people for VISA violations:


There are other videos of other people getting thrown in Mexican jails for staying too long. Google says you can stay up to 6 months, but alas, that is not universal. You are actually assigned a random number of days (even just TWO DAYS in some cases). If you dont ask what date you are expected to leave, you could spend and an indefinite amount of time in jail. People are there in very bad conditions for days, weeks, months or longer with the guards fucking with them the whole time.

LOL you ever watch this?