May 6th Primaries Thread

[JSt0rm]

I'm not trying to bring up the race card YOU brought it up. I am just commenting on your opinions as something YOU might want to look into for personal reasons.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm not trying to bring up the race card YOU brought it up. I am just commenting on your opinions as something YOU might want to look into for personal reasons.

Well, you are the one calling my comments racist. Just because they are about race, doesn't mean they are racist.

 

[JSt0rm]

i said they were a little racist yes. Basically you saying your not ready to deal with the whole race issue for 4 years tells me that his race is something you think about in a negative way. I actually don't care that hes black and I don't really think about it beyond the obvious. And also what race issue would you have to deal with?

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: senseamp
I'd rather not be dealing with the whole race issue for 4 years. There are more important things to deal with at this time. Economy going into crapper being top and foremost. It's going to be a distraction, really. This country is not in need of a Nelson Mandela.

lol. I guess your white because a lot of people in this country deal with the race issue their entire lives. I think you need to look deeper into your words here as they come off a little racist to me.

Here you go with the race card. It's going to be this same sh!t for 4 years with Obama supporters if he wins. It's a big racial issue for them. Anyone against him is just the man trying to keep a brother down.

:roll: Maybe your McGOP friends will just vote to outlaw non-whites as presidents and we wouldn't ever have to worry about those pesky racial issues that makes things soooo uncomfortable.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
i said they were a little racist yes. Basically you saying your not ready to deal with the whole race issue for 4 years tells me that his race is something you think about in a negative way.

Not so much race as the focus on it, and I think there will be a lot of that. What I am seeing so far is that we are not beyond race in this country, there are racial undertones to this election.

I actually don't care that hes black and I don't really think about it beyond the obvious. And also what race issue would you have to deal with?

There are a lot of societal and media expectations on him as first black president to deal with racial issues more, and I think it will be a major distraction.

 

[rpanic]

It looks like McCain will be next president. I Think Hillary even though I can?t stand her would have stood a better chance of winning. A lot of the independents that voted for Obama will switch because the republican side was already locked down so there was no need to vote there. What crappy choices all around.

 

[rockyct]

:beer: for Obama. The end of this crazy primary is near.

 

[StageLeft]

Absolute nightmare for Hillary. She is down an additional 12 delegates and 210, 000 in the popular vote. What by any reasonable account looked like an untouchable lead has become wildly more so, basically this is the worst that could have happened for her last night (unless she lost 24k extra and lost indiana as well, but there is no real symbolism of hope in that squeezed win).

Her campaign is sunk. Only through the most obscene of circumstances could she possibly hope to be the nominee. The bitter taste of defeat fills her mouth and no matter the spitting, it won't go away.

I think Obama will likely be the eventual nominee

Ah, I am actually shedding a tear, it's like my kid finally going off to college. I'm glad you see the light. It's been a very long time coming, but it's finally here.

He is going to be like Jesse Jackson meets Jimmy Carter, and undo all the momentum the Democrats are having.

Hell, Jesse Jackson meets Jimmy Carter would be better than what we've had and probably better than what Swillary would have brought to the table, so if you're right, good!

It looks like McCain will be next president. I Think Hillary even though I can?t stand her would have stood a better chance of winning. A lot of the independents that voted for Obama will switch because the republican side was already locked down so there was no need to vote there. What crappy choices all around.

In 04 the dems lost because Kerry was a soaking douche. If they lose this time, and nothing markedly changes by November, at least we can know that the dems put forth a good candidate, so that if McCain wins, it will be an easy conclusion to reach that AMerica is just literally beyond hope.

 

[Lemon law]

Obama has picked up at least a net 94 delegates which now leaves him only 180 delegates shy of nomination with 18 left to be awarded. With 217 elected delegates left to win and 270 supers still on the fence, Hillary math is really starting to look impossible because she now needs almost 70% of the remaining 587.

Next up on May 13 is West Virginia. A week after that comes Oregon and Kentucky. So in two weeks only a handful of elected delegates will remain up for grabs.

The joker in the deck will now be the supers with those in Indiana and NC free to declare. Even an even split of a say 50 super delegates then drives Hillary to a point of needing over 70% of the remaining delegates. A split of a 100 along voting lines would drive Hillary math to the 75% point.

And if Howard Dean firmly slams the door on any Hillary monkey business with Florida and Michigan, its now time for the supers to end this.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: senseamp
I'd rather not be dealing with the whole race issue for 4 years. There are more important things to deal with at this time. Economy going into crapper being top and foremost. It's going to be a distraction, really. This country is not in need of a Nelson Mandela.

lol. I guess your white because a lot of people in this country deal with the race issue their entire lives. I think you need to look deeper into your words here as they come off a little racist to me.

Here you go with the race card. It's going to be this same sh!t for 4 years with Obama supporters if he wins. It's a big racial issue for them. Anyone against him is just the man trying to keep a brother down.

When the best thing you can come up with against him is 'empty suit' and when asked to explain it you use black liberation theology and a questionable health plan... If the shoe fits...

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Not so much race as the focus on it, and I think there will be a lot of that. What I am seeing so far is that we are not beyond race in this country, there are racial undertones to this election.

Of course when you say 'we are not beyond race in this country' you're talking about the blacks being racist for voting for Obama. You're such an ass.

Originally posted by: senseamp
There are a lot of societal and media expectations on him as first black president to deal with racial issues more, and I think it will be a major distraction.

If they would be a distraction it would be because of tools like you.

 

[lupi]

I'll be happily voting for the non-obama candidate in november. The more racist his campaign becomesn the more that will probably vote the same.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Obama has picked up at least a net 94 delegates which now leaves him only 180 delegates shy of nomination with 18 left to be awarded. With 217 elected delegates left to win and 270 supers still on the fence, Hillary math is really starting to look impossible because she now needs almost 70% of the remaining 587.

Next up on May 13 is West Virginia. A week after that comes Oregon and Kentucky. So in two weeks only a handful of elected delegates will remain up for grabs.

The joker in the deck will now be the supers with those in Indiana and NC free to declare. Even an even split of a say 50 super delegates then drives Hillary to a point of needing over 70% of the remaining delegates. A split of a 100 along voting lines would drive Hillary math to the 75% point.

And if Howard Dean firmly slams the door on any Hillary monkey business with Florida and Michigan, its now time for the supers to end this.

If Hillary gets 60% of remaining delegates and 60% of remaining supers, she still loses. MI and FL won't be included without at least a recount (can't really have MI as it is now, since Obama wasn't even on the ballot), so even if they're put in, it's not going to make things pretty for her.

I'll be happily voting for the non-obama candidate in november. The more racist his campaign becomesn the more that will probably vote the same.

Hehe, sour grapes yet again His campaign is, in fact, 100% aracial. It's only you and people who obsess over Wright that change that. He has been extremely careful to not make it a racial one. If you're going to vote for McCain just so that you don't have to put up with a black president and people calling racism when pepole go against his plans, what exactly does that make you?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: senseamp
With a Democrat Congress to check and balance him, yes.

Right, because they've been doing such a bangup job reigning in Bush. :roll:

 

[mflacy]

LOL, Hillary can't claim she's ahead in the popular vote anymore, even with her Michigan / Florida method.

Using her fuzzy math, she's down by 90,000 votes again. I'm surprised the news stations haven't picked up on that yet.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: senseamp
With a Democrat Congress to check and balance him, yes.

Right, because they've been doing such a bangup job reigning in Bush. :roll:

Actually, since the dems took over congress very little has been done. One of the reason the congress rating is 10-20 pts below the presidents approval.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: lupi
I'll be happily voting for the non-obama candidate in november. The more racist his campaign becomesn the more that will probably vote the same.

I didn't realize Obama was running a racist campaign.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: senseamp
With a Democrat Congress to check and balance him, yes.

Right, because they've been doing such a bangup job reigning in Bush. :roll:

Actually, since the dems took over congress very little has been done. One of the reason the congress rating is 10-20 pts below the presidents approval.

Yes, very little, just as long as we don't include the multitude of emergency appropriation requests to fund the war that they were supposed to reign in. He cries veto, they yelp, pull their pants down, and bend over. They are wholly inept and fully complicit.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: lupi
I'll be happily voting for the non-obama candidate in november. The more racist his campaign becomesn the more that will probably vote the same.

Oh the irony. I'm not sure who the bigger racist is - you or senseless. If you were newer members I'd swear you were both the same troll. You're definitely 'members' though.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Absolute nightmare for Hillary. She is down an additional 12 delegates and 210, 000 in the popular vote. What by any reasonable account looked like an untouchable lead has become wildly more so, basically this is the worst that could have happened for her last night (unless she lost 24k extra and lost indiana as well, but there is no real symbolism of hope in that squeezed win).

Her campaign is sunk. Only through the most obscene of circumstances could she possibly hope to be the nominee. The bitter taste of defeat fills her mouth and no matter the spitting, it won't go away.

I think Obama will likely be the eventual nominee

Ah, I am actually shedding a tear, it's like my kid finally going off to college. I'm glad you see the light. It's been a very long time coming, but it's finally here.

He is going to be like Jesse Jackson meets Jimmy Carter, and undo all the momentum the Democrats are having.

Hell, Jesse Jackson meets Jimmy Carter would be better than what we've had and probably better than what Swillary would have brought to the table, so if you're right, good!

It looks like McCain will be next president. I Think Hillary even though I can?t stand her would have stood a better chance of winning. A lot of the independents that voted for Obama will switch because the republican side was already locked down so there was no need to vote there. What crappy choices all around.

In 04 the dems lost because Kerry was a soaking douche. If they lose this time, and nothing markedly changes by November, at least we can know that the dems put forth a good candidate, so that if McCain wins, it will be an easy conclusion to reach that AMerica is just literally beyond hope.

Absolute nightmare my butt. She won 1 state, obama won 1 state.

I do recognize that democratic party want Obama to be the nominee, and it will be hard for Hillary to overcome the delegate deficit and all the pressure for super delegate to go with popular vote or delegate lead. When it comes to Michigan and Florida, oh we must follow the rules. But when it comes to super delegate, oh they must vote for the one with most delegate/popular vote, screw the rule that they can vote for whoever they want.

Anyway, I hope democratic party is making the right choice. Obama does not have wide appeal, without the 90+% African American vote, he would not be in this position. And even with that large % of a single ethnic group's support, he could not win any of the big state that holds big number of electoral vote in general election. And if you think Clinton runs nasty campaign, think again. There will be tons of Wright/elitist commercial run by some group that claims no relations with McCain, day in and day out until Nov. They will make sure all middle working class white American knows Obama is an elitist with a crazy pastor so they stay home or vote for McCain, who has decent appeal to the middle.

I don't know about you, but I am sick of the last freaking 8 years and I don't want another few years of same crap. So knowing that you put forth a good candidate is not good enough. Democrats gotta win man.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Absolute nightmare my butt. She won 1 state, obama won 1 state.

I do recognize that democratic party want Obama to be the nominee, and it will be hard for Hillary to overcome the delegate deficit and all the pressure for super delegate to go with popular vote or delegate lead. When it comes to Michigan and Florida, oh we must follow the rules. But when it comes to super delegate, oh they must vote for the one with most delegate/popular vote, screw the rule that they can vote for whoever they want.

Anyway, I hope democratic party is making the right choice. Obama does not have wide appeal, without the 90+% African American vote, he would not be in this position. And even with that large % of a single ethnic group's support, he could not win any of the big state that holds big number of electoral vote in general election. And if you think Clinton runs nasty campaign, think again. There will be tons of Wright/elitist commercial run by some group that claims no relations with McCain, day in and day out until Nov. They will make sure all middle working class white American knows Obama is an elitist with a crazy pastor so they stay home or vote for McCain, who has decent appeal to the middle.

I don't know about you, but I am sick of the last freaking 8 years and I don't want another few years of same crap. So knowing that you put forth a good candidate is not good enough. Democrats gotta win man.

I don't mean to nitpick but to the bolded... Obama won one state by a landslide amount and they nearly split the other. Last night was a huge overall loss for Hillary and she was already in desperate situation numbers wise.

I'm sure the right would run a nasty campaign against Obama but what can they say about Wright that's not already been said? I think the issues of McCain's stance on the Iraq war and Bush's tax cuts are more harmful to McCain than Wright to Obama because they're *real* issues. Throw in Keating and health and age. There's a lot to attack McCain with as well.

I'm also sick of the last 8 years and I want the Dem candidate to win - regardless of who it is. I hope it is Obama but if it's Hillary she would get my vote in Nov. Hopefully Clinton supporters will remember the last 8 years and do the same.

 

[lupi]

A bunch of fucking sheeple. I'll vote for a party regardless is just as bad as those GOPs that voted georgie back in.

 

[Lemon law]

As was said many weeks ago, Obama had to take North Carolina big and get a raw win in Indiana to eliminate Hillary on May 6. Since Hillary just got a raw win in Indiana by only two points, my ground hog came out of his burrow and predicts at least two more weeks of Hillary.

As it is, Hillary has to get 70% or so of the remaining 217 elected and 270 supers still sitting on the fence.

After May 20, Hillary math will have to be a miracle because she must take both Oregon and Kentucky by 40 point margins.
Ain't gonna happen folks, so stick a fork in her, she is done.

 

[StageLeft]

As it is, Hillary has to get 70% or so of the remaining 217 elected and 270 supers still sitting on the fence.

Calculater on CNN shows 66% of all delegates needed by her for a win, not including MI & FL.

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: rchiu
Absolute nightmare my butt. She won 1 state, obama won 1 state.

I do recognize that democratic party want Obama to be the nominee, and it will be hard for Hillary to overcome the delegate deficit and all the pressure for super delegate to go with popular vote or delegate lead. When it comes to Michigan and Florida, oh we must follow the rules. But when it comes to super delegate, oh they must vote for the one with most delegate/popular vote, screw the rule that they can vote for whoever they want.

Anyway, I hope democratic party is making the right choice. Obama does not have wide appeal, without the 90+% African American vote, he would not be in this position. And even with that large % of a single ethnic group's support, he could not win any of the big state that holds big number of electoral vote in general election. And if you think Clinton runs nasty campaign, think again. There will be tons of Wright/elitist commercial run by some group that claims no relations with McCain, day in and day out until Nov. They will make sure all middle working class white American knows Obama is an elitist with a crazy pastor so they stay home or vote for McCain, who has decent appeal to the middle.

I don't know about you, but I am sick of the last freaking 8 years and I don't want another few years of same crap. So knowing that you put forth a good candidate is not good enough. Democrats gotta win man.

Hillary would have lost Indiana if it wasn't for Republicans trying to screw up the process. Is that how Hillary supporters want her to win?