Max Payne 3

[QueBert]

sorry I didn't reply, my first video game system was a Zonk (imitation Pong) I had a NES, SMS, Genesis, original Game Boy and tons of others. Games were repetitive back then, but I liked them because... I was 5-10 years old back then. I wasn't bored to death because I was a small child who was easily amused, hell I played ET on my 2600 countless hours. I'm pretty sure if I was 30 when ET came out I would have played it once and took a dump on the cart. Max Payne was way too short, way to easy and didn't really do anything for me. I don't expect every game to be a sandbox one like GTA III. But I would like to be able to deviate from the path at least a little. Max Payne was like HOTD except they gave you the illusion you could control your character. I mean technically I could control which way I dove, but beyond that it was as close to an automatic rail game as I could imagine. I was recently replaying SOF II, can't describe how much better than MP it is. While it's not close to a sandbox, I actually got lost on some levels and had to figure out where to go. MP was zero challenge to me. I would argue about 99% of games now a days being like MP. Very few are as 100% linear as MP 1 or 2 were. At least not the last 15 or so I've played.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: misle
Is it too late for them to change the name? Looks like a cool game, but this is NOT a Max Payne game.

This is Max Payne.
This is not Max Payne.

Agree 100%. I loved the hell out of the first two games, have played through the second game at least a dozen times because I couldn't get enough of the lead voice actor's tremendous voiceovers and some sweet BulletTime shootouts - so what if it was a linear game, it did several things right. Was it predictable? Yes, you could reload a level several times and shootouts would progress roughly the same way, in the same rooms, with the same number of opponents. But it didn't bother me then and it doesn't bother me now.

A lot of things about the game were amazing. Max felt like a real live, living character. His constant state of regret, realizing how he willing let Mona manipulate him, the incredibly (at the time) bad decision that almost costs him his career, the freaky hallucinations (with the subtle clues that inspired all those alternate theories on the original incident, not to mention the guy in the precinct confessing to a double murder) - the storytelling was great. And the eye-candy for gaming nerds, Mona Sax, managed to look hot while fully clothed. That's gotta be a first, right?

Max Payne 3 might be a good game but it doesn't look like a Max Payne game, at least going by those screenshots and the plot outline. Max needs to have a badge, be in New York/New Jersey, in a leather jacket/trenchcoat, look sleep-depraved and addicted to pain-meds. No bulging biceps, sunny skies and daytime ever PLEASE.

The solo vigilante cop up against the drug underworld storyline has inspired countless movies. It can certainly make an effective game with great action, dialogue and character connections. This isn't exactly GTA where a change in ambience/culture can go over as smoothly.

Can it?

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

Originally posted by: Zenoth

So... briefly said:

If you died only one time in a game
If it's scripted
If you cannot explore
If you pay $50
If the A.I isn't "better" in higher difficulty levels
If it's a "rail game"

Then it sucks?

You'll have to tell us since when you've been playing video games. I have the feeling you've just started, or you've only played sandbox games in your life, which arguably started with GTA3, and on the video gaming timeline that would make you an infant, if not an ignorant gamer. If you actually lived and played games during the 8-Bit to 32-Bit gaming eras you would have died of boredom and wouldn't actually made it alive to this day to write on these forums, because 99% of the games back then and even up to very recently have always been like that. Well, in fact, they're still almost all like that. If I was you I would quit gaming and find other hobbies.

The man has an opinion, leave him alone, jeezus christ. No game you can finish in 6 hours should be worth 50 bucks in this day and age, and still get immensely positive reviews. I see so many games ragged on for being too short and costing too much at the same time, but everyone conveniently forgives Max Payne.

I agree with him. It was overrated and very short from start to finish. He probably has a similar play style as me, quick saving and hoarding those painkillers.

Aw really, the 8 bit days? Yeah, I guess we've come a long way in TWENTY FUCKING YEARS. Contra III was what, 6 or 7 levels? You could beat that game in a single sitting. Too bad it was still more rewarding to replay in harder difficulties because there was new enemies and attacks to deal with. Not to mention a different ending. In fact, I bet QueBert actually *is* a hardcore gamer from the 8/16 bit eras, got to the ending of Max Payne and sat at his computer thinking..."That's it?" I sure did.

Haha, died of boredom in 16 bit era, yeah that's rich.

Max Payne is uninspired. I suppose Remedy thought everyone would be so captivated by the gritty NY Cop story and the bullet time that they didn't need to worry about level design or difficulty, and for the most part, they were right.

EDIT: Nested quotes, probably unnecessary.

I also had an opinion and expressed it, what's wrong with that? I disagreed with him and instead of just saying that I made an unnecessarily longer post, and that's my choice, what about you leave me alone?

 

[reallyscrued]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
I also had an opinion and expressed it, what's wrong with that? I disagreed with him and instead of just saying that I made an unnecessarily longer post, and that's my choice, what about you leave me alone?

No.

Your opinion was a personal put down.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
If I was you I would quit gaming and find other hobbies.

He disrespected a game. You disrespected a person.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: reallyscrued

Originally posted by: Zenoth
I also had an opinion and expressed it, what's wrong with that? I disagreed with him and instead of just saying that I made an unnecessarily longer post, and that's my choice, what about you leave me alone?

No.

Your opinion was a personal put down.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
If I was you I would quit gaming and find other hobbies.

He disrespected a game. You disrespected a person.

You will have to explain me in more details about how that comment was a "personal put down". If I was in his shoes I would have done that and I still maintain my opinion, that's what I would do, no more and no less. But I am pretty sure that you realized by now that he is not me and that he probably doesn't give a rat's ass about what I think of him due to his opinions on the original Max Payne or its sequel, do you?

What I told him was my opinion, it can certainly be viewed as a "disrespectful opinion", I would presume. And I guess that you, reallyscrued, have never did such a thing in your life, that I am a monster and you are divine? This is a discussion forum, I hope you get used to this kind of exchange of thoughts and opinions or else you will end up defending each and every single posters around, unless you make that your mission that is.

 

[QueBert]

if a qualification to being a true hardcore gamer is loving MP1 & 2, I will gladly state I'm the farthest thing on this planet from a hardcore gamer. On a flip side, the MP3 screen shots and bit of info, have me actually interested in it. Rockstar might get it right this time around. Or it could be another 6 hour simple rail shooter with piss poor voice acting and horrible dialog, just in a new skin. If it plays the same nothing they can do will make me wanna play it.

 

[IEC]

The screenshots are not promising. What happened to film noir, and why does MP look like a fat thug instead of a hardboiled cop?

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
The screenshots are not promising. What happened to film noir, and why does MP look like a fat thug instead of a hardboiled cop?

Max isn't going to be Emo this time around, thank god. I was sick of his dull dialog and the fact he always looked like he was 1 second away from crapping his pants. The new one will be on a tropical island, I don't see how Rockstar is going to deal with this. As in MP everything was 10x10 rooms. Rockstar can't possibly make this 100% linear like the other 2, unless they put up invisible walls everywhere.

 

[Regs]

Looks like....every other game that came out this year.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Max isn't going to be Emo this time around, thank god. I was sick of his dull dialog and the fact he always looked like he was 1 second away from crapping his pants. The new one will be on a tropical island, I don't see how Rockstar is going to deal with this. As in MP everything was 10x10 rooms. Rockstar can't possibly make this 100% linear like the other 2, unless they put up invisible walls everywhere.

Yea, cause jungle combats so fresh. I've been thinking for years now that someone should release a game that takes place in the jungle. I'm ecstatic that there's one finally coming out, and I can't think of a better candidate than Max Payne.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: QueBert

Max isn't going to be Emo this time around, thank god. I was sick of his dull dialog and the fact he always looked like he was 1 second away from crapping his pants. The new one will be on a tropical island, I don't see how Rockstar is going to deal with this. As in MP everything was 10x10 rooms. Rockstar can't possibly make this 100% linear like the other 2, unless they put up invisible walls everywhere.

Yea, cause jungle combats so fresh. I've been thinking for years now that someone should release a game that takes place in the jungle. I'm ecstatic that there's one finally coming out, and I can't think of a better candidate than Max Payne.

doesn't really matter, I bet the game will be 6 hours long and so easy a 10 year old could beat it on the hard setting without dying. Weather the jungle or NYC at night time. Same shit, different toilet. My expectations for this game are somewhere around 6%. I'm sure it'll be beatable in 1 sitting.

I can think of a better candidate for Max, to never make another game with him in it.

 

[reallyscrued]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
You will have to explain me in more details about how that comment was a "personal put down".

You told someone to find another hobby, or quit gaming altogether because they didn't share your point view. It's pretty self explanatory.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
If I was in his shoes I would have done that and I still maintain my opinion, that's what I would do, no more and no less.

Yeah, I'm sure if you were him, after finishing the game you would have thought, "Gee, what a horrible game...*sigh* maybe I'll take up lumberjacking."

Originally posted by: Zenoth
What I told him was my opinion, it can certainly be viewed as a "disrespectful opinion", I would presume. And I guess that you, reallyscrued, have never did such a thing in your life, that I am a monster and you are divine?

No, I have never told someone to give up gaming because they didn't like a game I liked, but thanks for trying to turn this around.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
I hope you get used to this kind of exchange of thoughts and opinions or else you will end up defending each and every single posters around, unless you make that your mission that is.

Aw, is that your defense? "Everyone else does it, leave me alone!" Yeah, you're right. I'd better get used to it. I really shouldn't say that I don't like wireless mice, or I prefer integrated sound, or that I like the 4:3 ratio, unless I wanna be told I need another hobby, right?

Originally posted by: Zenoth
But I am pretty sure that you realized by now that he is not me and that he probably doesn't give a rat's ass about what I think of him due to his opinions on the original Max Payne or its sequel, do you?

I saved this for last, because this is the only part of your post that holds water. Yeah, he's not you, so why bother telling him how to feel about something, sharing how "you" feel is what these 'discussion' boards are all about. I also want to draw attention to the fact that he probably doesn't care that we're arguing and all this really had nothing to do with MP3, so lets continue this through PM.


About MP3 though, the artwork has really rubbed me the wrong way. I probably won't buy it at full price and if reviews indicate it is as short as the first one, I'll probalby end up waiting for a steam deal before I give it a run through.

 

[NaOH]

Puzzles missing in a shooter? You must be retarded to have a REQUIREMENT like that.

And to reallyscrued, Q came into a Max Payne thread when he clearly has no interest and hated the rest, just to tell everyone how it wasn't tailored exactly to his liking. Which is out of place and pointless in a thread full of people who HAVE interest. He stated his opinion, and he will feel the effects of it. Quit trying to be his mom, he can defend himself from the interwebs.

 

[alevasseur14]

I can't believe nobody has mentioned how awful the movie was. I played MP1 on PS2 and then I bought it AGAIN for the PC. MP2 came out and I bought the PC version. I was happy. Then I watched the movie and left the theatre wondering what had just happened to me.

Not directly related to the coming MP3 but it might have been a pointer as to what direction the franchise was heading. Sad.

Based on the screenshots, I'm not too interested in MP3.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: NaOH
Puzzles missing in a shooter? You must be retarded to have a REQUIREMENT like that.

And to reallyscrued, Q came into a Max Payne thread when he clearly has no interest and hated the rest, just to tell everyone how it wasn't tailored exactly to his liking. Which is out of place and pointless in a thread full of people who HAVE interest. He stated his opinion, and he will feel the effects of it. Quit trying to be his mom, he can defend himself from the interwebs.

this thread is about MP3 and I think everyone in here is shitting on it, I'm one of the only ones who said I might actually like it. This thread isn't about the first 2 shitty games, it's about MP3. People have a disinterest for MP3 here, at least I'm open to playing it since it won't be like the first 2.