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Zenoth

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: QueBert
MP1 & 2 has crappy cut scenes and were both waaaaay to short and stupid easy. I remember paying $50 for the 1st one when it came out. I beat it that same day in 1 sitting, I think I died twice. They're 2 of the most overrated games ever IMHO. Voice acting was annoying, MP2 had a few cool & fun levels, but the final boss battle was horrible. I hope I'm not alone when I say I hope MP3 turns out to be longer and better than the first 2. Oh, and they get rid of the lame static comic book cut scenes. I don't see how anyone can have great memories of 2 games that were 5-6 hours long each and so linear Rockstar might as well made them a rail shooter.
You're full of shit.


That is all.

That made my day :)
 

Farmer

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I agree. Max Payne is about New York City winters at night, not sunny middle-eastern locales. The main character also is not Max Payne. WTF
 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
That made my day :)
Enjoy it. After another incident in another thread it will probably get me banned for life.
But I still think he is lying his ass off.

I dont doubt he dislikes the cutscenes, they're not for everybody.
But he is outright lying if he wants us to believe the first two games were easy and had uninspired, short gameplay.
 

Sam25

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Originally posted by: Crow550
The first two games took place at night and had a gritty feel.

What the hell is this?

Exactly...damn it, if I wanted to fight in the bright sunshine I would once again happily install and play Far Cry. But when I install a MP game I want the darkness, the gritty atmosphere.
 

Piuc2020

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Originally posted by: Farmer
I agree. Max Payne is about New York City winters at night, not sunny middle-eastern locales. The main character also is not Max Payne. WTF

It's brazilian fabelas from the look of it so it's neither middle eastern (lol) nor "tropical" like some have claimed.
 

Farmer

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Originally posted by: Piuc2020
Originally posted by: Farmer
I agree. Max Payne is about New York City winters at night, not sunny middle-eastern locales. The main character also is not Max Payne. WTF

It's brazilian fabelas from the look of it so it's neither middle eastern (lol) nor "tropical" like some have claimed.

Ok, I apologize for lacking knowledge of Brazilian culture. You know what I mean. Besides, you can honestly tell where that's supposed to be?
 

Piuc2020

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Originally posted by: Farmer
Originally posted by: Piuc2020
Originally posted by: Farmer
I agree. Max Payne is about New York City winters at night, not sunny middle-eastern locales. The main character also is not Max Payne. WTF

It's brazilian fabelas from the look of it so it's neither middle eastern (lol) nor "tropical" like some have claimed.

Ok, I apologize for lacking knowledge of Brazilian culture. You know what I mean. Besides, you can honestly tell where that's supposed to be?

You could tell by looking but you could also know by reading MP3's previews where it says it takes place in Brazil ;)
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: QueBert
MP1 & 2 has crappy cut scenes and were both waaaaay to short and stupid easy. I remember paying $50 for the 1st one when it came out. I beat it that same day in 1 sitting, I think I died twice. They're 2 of the most overrated games ever IMHO. Voice acting was annoying, MP2 had a few cool & fun levels, but the final boss battle was horrible. I hope I'm not alone when I say I hope MP3 turns out to be longer and better than the first 2. Oh, and they get rid of the lame static comic book cut scenes. I don't see how anyone can have great memories of 2 games that were 5-6 hours long each and so linear Rockstar might as well made them a rail shooter.
You're full of shit.


That is all.

So the games weren't super short and so easy you could beat them in a single sitting? I'm not full of shit, they were both boring, rail like shooter with no puzzles and crappy cut scenes. And that pretty much sums up Max Payne. If the games were 3 times as long and actually possessed a challenge I might have liked them. As it stands, they were 2 games I could EASILY beat both during 1 sitting. Not my idea of fun at all *shrug*
 

paperfist

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Wait, what the fuck? Why does Payne look like Vin Diesel with a beard and too many cheeseburgers? Why do game companies keep ruining franchises like this? If it's a great game it will stand on it's own without the Max Payne title.

For the same reason movie companies do, they lack the imagination to create from scratch and instead borrow from the past and pervert it for the sake of cash.

lol those screen shots are as far away from being a MP game as you could get. I hope they don't even bother with a PC port. Wow Max WTF happened to you!? :p
 

paperfist

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: QueBert
MP1 & 2 has crappy cut scenes and were both waaaaay to short and stupid easy. I remember paying $50 for the 1st one when it came out. I beat it that same day in 1 sitting, I think I died twice. They're 2 of the most overrated games ever IMHO. Voice acting was annoying, MP2 had a few cool & fun levels, but the final boss battle was horrible. I hope I'm not alone when I say I hope MP3 turns out to be longer and better than the first 2. Oh, and they get rid of the lame static comic book cut scenes. I don't see how anyone can have great memories of 2 games that were 5-6 hours long each and so linear Rockstar might as well made them a rail shooter.
You're full of shit.


That is all.

So the games weren't super short and so easy you could beat them in a single sitting? I'm not full of shit, they were both boring, rail like shooter with no puzzles and crappy cut scenes. And that pretty much sums up Max Payne. If the games were 3 times as long and actually possessed a challenge I might have liked them. As it stands, they were 2 games I could EASILY beat both during 1 sitting. Not my idea of fun at all *shrug*

C'mon you were not entertained at all? And at least the 1st one wasn't THAT easy to the point of being a walk in the park.
 

lxskllr

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Easy or not, I loved the Max Payne games. If I want challenging I'll play UT2k4 MP. For a SP game, I want a interactive movie. Just a slight challenge, and a good story are what I'm looking for.
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: paperfist
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: QueBert
MP1 & 2 has crappy cut scenes and were both waaaaay to short and stupid easy. I remember paying $50 for the 1st one when it came out. I beat it that same day in 1 sitting, I think I died twice. They're 2 of the most overrated games ever IMHO. Voice acting was annoying, MP2 had a few cool & fun levels, but the final boss battle was horrible. I hope I'm not alone when I say I hope MP3 turns out to be longer and better than the first 2. Oh, and they get rid of the lame static comic book cut scenes. I don't see how anyone can have great memories of 2 games that were 5-6 hours long each and so linear Rockstar might as well made them a rail shooter.
You're full of shit.


That is all.

So the games weren't super short and so easy you could beat them in a single sitting? I'm not full of shit, they were both boring, rail like shooter with no puzzles and crappy cut scenes. And that pretty much sums up Max Payne. If the games were 3 times as long and actually possessed a challenge I might have liked them. As it stands, they were 2 games I could EASILY beat both during 1 sitting. Not my idea of fun at all *shrug*

C'mon you were not entertained at all? And at least the 1st one wasn't THAT easy to the point of being a walk in the park.

I really liked the construction snipering level. Aside from that I found everything else boring as shit. Well, the Fun House level was mildly amusing too I guess. I did not like either game as a whole. I paid 50 bucks for a game (MP1) that I beat in a single 6 hour sitting where I died a whopping 1 time. Biggest waste of money ever. I replayed on a harder level, AI didn't get any better, it still sucked ass. But they did more damage. I never finished it on the hard level, as it was still the same sucky ass rail game. I want to explore, I want to face baddies who actually have some sort of AI, and I don't want every battle to start scripted out of the ass.
 

Jodell88

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WTF was Rockstar thinking?!!!

My favourite game franchise has been ruined! :(
 

Zenoth

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: paperfist
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: QueBert
MP1 & 2 has crappy cut scenes and were both waaaaay to short and stupid easy. I remember paying $50 for the 1st one when it came out. I beat it that same day in 1 sitting, I think I died twice. They're 2 of the most overrated games ever IMHO. Voice acting was annoying, MP2 had a few cool & fun levels, but the final boss battle was horrible. I hope I'm not alone when I say I hope MP3 turns out to be longer and better than the first 2. Oh, and they get rid of the lame static comic book cut scenes. I don't see how anyone can have great memories of 2 games that were 5-6 hours long each and so linear Rockstar might as well made them a rail shooter.
You're full of shit.


That is all.

So the games weren't super short and so easy you could beat them in a single sitting? I'm not full of shit, they were both boring, rail like shooter with no puzzles and crappy cut scenes. And that pretty much sums up Max Payne. If the games were 3 times as long and actually possessed a challenge I might have liked them. As it stands, they were 2 games I could EASILY beat both during 1 sitting. Not my idea of fun at all *shrug*

C'mon you were not entertained at all? And at least the 1st one wasn't THAT easy to the point of being a walk in the park.

I really liked the construction snipering level. Aside from that I found everything else boring as shit. Well, the Fun House level was mildly amusing too I guess. I did not like either game as a whole. I paid 50 bucks for a game (MP1) that I beat in a single 6 hour sitting where I died a whopping 1 time. Biggest waste of money ever. I replayed on a harder level, AI didn't get any better, it still sucked ass. But they did more damage. I never finished it on the hard level, as it was still the same sucky ass rail game. I want to explore, I want to face baddies who actually have some sort of AI, and I don't want every battle to start scripted out of the ass.

So... briefly said:

If you died only one time in a game
If it's scripted
If you cannot explore
If you pay $50
If the A.I isn't "better" in higher difficulty levels
If it's a "rail game"

Then it sucks?

You'll have to tell us since when you've been playing video games. I have the feeling you've just started, or you've only played sandbox games in your life, which arguably started with GTA3, and on the video gaming timeline that would make you an infant, if not an ignorant gamer. If you actually lived and played games during the 8-Bit to 32-Bit gaming eras you would have died of boredom and wouldn't actually made it alive to this day to write on these forums, because 99% of the games back then and even up to very recently have always been like that. Well, in fact, they're still almost all like that. If I was you I would quit gaming and find other hobbies.
 

BenSkywalker

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I think saying Max Payne is overrated isn't entirely accurate. I find it more accurate so say the poorest game since ET.

First off the story, I wanted to kill Max myself, I even tried to find a way to shoot myself in the face. His wife and child are brutally murdered and all he can do is whine like a pathetic little bitch for the entire game about how it gave him poor dreams. Seriously, flat out horrible. The dialect of the game was entirely monotone with over the top verbosity, a pathetic level of disjointedness at best. Nothing relating to the story was so much as poorly done, analyzing it I tried to think of anything they could have done worse as far as the story line, I couldn't come up with anything. Typical porn has far better thought out and acted story, the porn that attempts to have a story blows Max Payne out of the water.

Obviously the game had no AI to speak of.

Level design.... walk into a 10'x12' room and shoot three guys. Then walk into a 10'x12' room and shoot three guys. After that, walk into a 10'x12' room and shoot two guys. Then the big shocker- walk into a 12'x14' room and shoot three guys- some stunning creativity there. Yes, you had the dumb luck escape from the fire sequence(responsible for both my deaths in the entire game on my first play through) and then the obnoxiously bad dream/maze sequences then the final level which was a terribad wannabe Matrix knockoff.

Game difficulty wasn't there. Even on the highest difficulty level, the only way you could expect to die is if you walked into a room and got one shotted by someone with a shotgun from close range- at which point you just bullet timed into the room and took him out. Any helmet head should have been able to drool on their keyboard and smoked through this game in under 10 hours, including reload times for when their mouth dried out a bit and they happened to die.

Even dropping down to visuals and audio, both sub par for its time- engine was too slow for what it was doing on screen(it wasn't a dog by any means, but it paled in comparison to games that were outdated at the time- Giants springs to mind which also ran faster) I was doing game reviews when Max Payne came out, gave it a 0.5, I regret it to this day as I think I overrated it.

Max Payne as a game has absolutely no redeeming value whatsoever. On every level it is horrible. I wouldn't play through the second one if someone paid me, same with the third.
 

ibex333

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The only Max Payne game that was indeed very good was the 1st one. It really didn't need a sequel, but Rockstar decided to milk the franchise. The 2nd one wasn't a bad game, but it wasn't Max Payne. It was something else. And this 3rd incarnation doesn't look anything remotely like Max Payne... I'm definitely not waiting for this one. Might give it a try when it comes out, but that's as far as that goes...
 

Sam25

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Originally posted by: biggestmuff
OP, fix your links. The pics are from Splinter Cell Conviction.


;)

You made me look at the screens again and double check them! LOL... :laugh:

I could have sworn Max resembled Sam to an extent in Double Agent!
 

InflatableBuddha

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Wait, what the fuck? Why does Payne look like Vin Diesel with a beard and too many cheeseburgers? Why do game companies keep ruining franchises like this? If it's a great game it will stand on it's own without the Max Payne title.

Or "Far Cry" or whatever best-selling franchise name is in question. I agree, it's simply whoring out the success of a previous franchise/brand without letting the new game stand on its own merits. For shame.
 

reallyscrued

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Originally posted by: Zenoth

So... briefly said:

If you died only one time in a game
If it's scripted
If you cannot explore
If you pay $50
If the A.I isn't "better" in higher difficulty levels
If it's a "rail game"

Then it sucks?

You'll have to tell us since when you've been playing video games. I have the feeling you've just started, or you've only played sandbox games in your life, which arguably started with GTA3, and on the video gaming timeline that would make you an infant, if not an ignorant gamer. If you actually lived and played games during the 8-Bit to 32-Bit gaming eras you would have died of boredom and wouldn't actually made it alive to this day to write on these forums, because 99% of the games back then and even up to very recently have always been like that. Well, in fact, they're still almost all like that. If I was you I would quit gaming and find other hobbies.


The man has an opinion, leave him alone, jeezus christ. No game you can finish in 6 hours should be worth 50 bucks in this day and age, and still get immensely positive reviews. I see so many games ragged on for being too short and costing too much at the same time, but everyone conveniently forgives Max Payne.

I agree with him. It was overrated and very short from start to finish. He probably has a similar play style as me, quick saving and hoarding those painkillers.

Aw really, the 8 bit days? Yeah, I guess we've come a long way in TWENTY FUCKING YEARS. Contra III was what, 6 or 7 levels? You could beat that game in a single sitting. Too bad it was still more rewarding to replay in harder difficulties because there was new enemies and attacks to deal with. Not to mention a different ending. In fact, I bet QueBert actually *is* a hardcore gamer from the 8/16 bit eras, got to the ending of Max Payne and sat at his computer thinking..."That's it?" I sure did.

Haha, died of boredom in 16 bit era, yeah that's rich.

Max Payne is uninspired. I suppose Remedy thought everyone would be so captivated by the gritty NY Cop story and the bullet time that they didn't need to worry about level design or difficulty, and for the most part, they were right.

EDIT: Nested quotes, probably unnecessary.