Matrix Revolutions question

[Nocturnal]

So Neo kills himself kinda to save everyone?

 

[Orsorum]

That entire movie was a spoiler.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
That entire movie was a spoiler.

if by spoiler you meant total crap

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Orsorum
That entire movie was a spoiler.

if by spoiler you meant total crap

Indeed I did.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
That entire movie was a spoiler.

As in, spoiled the trilogy. :/

 

[Nebor]

Movies are like wine... some people hate them simply because they cannot appreciate or understand them.

Matrix Revolutions was a fine continuation of the series. If you watch all three movies back to back, you may like it better.

Or it could just be that the grand concepts laid out in Revolutions are too much for you to grasp.

EDIT: And to answer the OP, Neo did what the one was meant to do. He balanced the equation, and returned to the source, but this time, Zion was not destroyed. Technically, he let Smith take him over while he was connected directly to the machine mainframe, so the machines could send some sort of surge or virus to Smith, destroying him.

 

[Zee]

it's getting hot in here...

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Movies are like wine... some people hate them simply because they cannot appreciate or understand them.



Matrix Revolutions was a fine continuation of the series. If you watch all three movies back to back, you may like it better.



Or it could just be that the grand concepts laid out in Revolutions are too much for you to grasp.

stfu, M2 and M3 both sucked no matter how DEEP you know it go or think how deep you know them.
And I'm a Matrix fan!

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Lazee
it's getting hot in here...

Yeah.... Sorta.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: Nebor
Movies are like wine... some people hate them simply because they cannot appreciate or understand them.



Matrix Revolutions was a fine continuation of the series. If you watch all three movies back to back, you may like it better.



Or it could just be that the grand concepts laid out in Revolutions are too much for you to grasp.

stfu, M2 and M3 both sucked no matter how DEEP you know it go or think how deep you know them.
And I'm a Matrix fan!

Some people don't have half of the Architect's dialogue in their vocabulary, that's alright. They can just think that the whole red pill\blue pill choice was the coolest, deepest part of the Matrix.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Some people don't have half of the Architect's dialogue in their vocabulary, that's alright. They can just think that the whole red pill\blue pill choice was the coolest, deepest part of the Matrix.

I've read that thing back and forth, read every explanation. It's ALL CRAP.
Here is it, explan away why this crap is of any importance.

The Architect: Hello, Neo.

Neo: Who are you?

The Architect: I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

The Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo: You haven't answered my question.

The Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"


The Architect: The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bullshit."


Neo: here are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!"


Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.

The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architect's room


The Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo: The Oracle.

The Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion.

The Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo: Bullshit.

The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bullshit!"


The Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.


The Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors


The Architect: It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors


Neo: Trinity.

The Architect: Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo: No!

The Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

Neo walks to the door on his left


The Architect: Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect: We won't

 

[Nebor]

If you've read all the explanations, then I can't possibly explain it to you. Not only am I not much of a teacher, but if you haven't gotten it yet, then you probably never will.

 

[fs5]

Originally posted by: Nebor
If you've read all the explanations, then I can't possibly explain it to you. Not only am I not much of a teacher, but if you haven't gotten it yet, then you probably never will.

so in other words you can't. There is nothing to get. Even if there was some sort of grand epiphany to be had it still doesn't make up for 2 crappy movies.

 

[nageov3t]

just because a movie presents interesting ideas doesn't mean that the movie itself is interesting or good.

the acting was horrible, nothing interesting was done cinematography-wise, and after the special effects in first Matrix wow'd me so much, I found Reloaded and Revolutions to be increadibly underwhelming.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: Nebor
If you've read all the explanations, then I can't possibly explain it to you. Not only am I not much of a teacher, but if you haven't gotten it yet, then you probably never will.

so in other words you can't. There is nothing to get. Even if there was some sort of grand epiphany to be had it still doesn't make up for 2 crappy movies.

I said in my last post I can't explain it to you. I can't explain how a microprocessor works to you either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. It just means I'm not much of a teacher, and you're not much a student. If you really wanted to understand the Matrix, you probably could.

You were likely too caught up looking for a hollywood blockbuster action flick, and not receptive to the story unfolding.

 

[Turkey22]

2 and 3 were both good movies, 2 being better. The only thing I didnt like was the ridiculous superman fight at the end of 3. That and the sad excuse they gave for the oracle being another person. Other than that it was a good story with quite a bit of good solid action. Watch 2 and 3 together and you'll get a better feel about what it means. For some reason it feels like the trilogy is two movies, the first was a good standalone movie I think 2 just ended with so much of a cliffhanger without resolution that 2 and 3 need to be viewed as one movie. The one thing I didnt like about the whole thing is all the religious parallels that can be drawn from the movie. That's just a personal preference though.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: Turkey22
That and the sad excuse they gave for the oracle being another person.

What possible excuse would have been acceptable in this situation? The original Oracle died of lung cancer during the filming of the third movie. How would you explain to the audience that one of the main characters is being played by another person?

I wonder how many people caught the parallel between the movie and real life in the first dialogue of the new Oracle. She said she made her choice (to smoke) and paid the price for it (she died because of it). She was at it again, making the same decision (the Oracle is smoking again).

The plot was fantastic in all three Matrix movies, however the second and moreso the third were filled with crappy secondary characters that had way too much screen time with awful, campy dialogue.

The Merovingian and Smith were well-inspired characters and should have more screentime, but I guess you can't center both movies around them. Otherwise, you couldn't progress the real plot of the humans vs machines.

 

[NuclearNed]

<sarcasm> I like how Neo acquired magical powers in Revolutions, like not having to be jacked in, being able to see things without his eyes, being able to have visions of the machine city before he was ever there, etc. It really added to the suspension of disbelief. </sarcasm>

And the throwaway line explaining all this crap really helped my comprehension of what was going on - "The power of the One extends beyond the Matrix". Yeah, right. At least TRY to come up with a suitable explanation, instead of essentially telling us "it's this way in the movie because we said so"

 

[TMPadmin]

I thought Smith was a program writen to eliminate the One (Neo). Once his purpose was completed there was no need for the program and it ran its self destruct routine.

2 was the worst, one was best (could have ended it there) 3 was much better than two.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: loki8481
just because a movie presents interesting ideas doesn't mean that the movie itself is interesting or good.

the acting was horrible, nothing interesting was done cinematography-wise, and after the special effects in first Matrix wow'd me so much, I found Reloaded and Revolutions to be increadibly underwhelming.

Good thing nobody cares what you think

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
I thought Smith was a program writen to eliminate the One (Neo). Once his purpose was completed there was no need for the program and it ran its self destruct routine.

I was under the impression that because Neo was connected directly to the Matrix, once Smith took over Neo, the Matrix had a direct link to Smith, and was able to destroy him. But the explanation you mentioned also makes sense... I can't remember which one is actually the case.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
<sarcasm> I like how Neo acquired magical powers in Revolutions, like not having to be jacked in, being able to see things without his eyes, being able to have visions of the machine city before he was ever there, etc. It really added to the suspension of disbelief. </sarcasm>



And the throwaway line explaining all this crap really helped my comprehension of what was going on - "The power of the One extends beyond the Matrix". Yeah, right. At least TRY to come up with a suitable explanation, instead of essentially telling us "it's this way in the movie because we said so"

Again, nobody cares what you think.

Did the OP ask for your opinion of the movie?

 

[Trygve]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
So Neo kills himself kinda to save everyone?

Is he really dead at the end? While he's certainly not looking too perky, we see a brief view of the machines from his "seeing with his mind" POV at the end; you wouldn't normally do that in a film if the character is dead.

Maybe he's just pining for the fjords.


Personally, I was quite disappointed at Revolutions. I found it too chaotic and that it picked up and dropped characters and situations at such a rapid rate that it was hard to appreciate or get into them. I think it would have benefitted a great deal from taking longer with the different characters through the film--it could easily have been doubled in length or made into two movies. For me, at least, the action sequences were nowhere near as involving as those in the other two episodes. None of this is to say that I think it's a bad movie, but that I enjoyed the first two so much that the third had a lot to live up to...and in my mind, it didn't.

But, then, perhaps there'll be a six-hour "extended edition" coming out after we've all bought the regular edition. One thing I can't fault them on is their marketing skills.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Movies are like wine... some people hate them simply because they cannot appreciate or understand them.



Matrix Revolutions was a fine continuation of the series. If you watch all three movies back to back, you may like it better.



Or it could just be that the grand concepts laid out in Revolutions are too much for you to grasp.



EDIT: And to answer the OP, Neo did what the one was meant to do. He balanced the equation, and returned to the source, but this time, Zion was not destroyed. Technically, he let Smith take him over while he was connected directly to the machine mainframe, so the machines could send some sort of surge or virus to Smith, destroying him.

hmmm, i liked the trilogy. to me it was an entertaining 3 movies. i think the reason so many people hate it is because their expectations were too high. they thought that this series would somehow reveal to them the meaning of life. it didn't, wasn't intended to and would never have been able to.

accept it for what it was, an entertaining series of movies.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: Nebor

If you've read all the explanations, then I can't possibly explain it to you. Not only am I not much of a teacher, but if you haven't gotten it yet, then you probably never will.

so in other words you can't. There is nothing to get. Even if there was some sort of grand epiphany to be had it still doesn't make up for 2 crappy movies.

I said in my last post I can't explain it to you. I can't explain how a microprocessor works to you either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. It just means I'm not much of a teacher, and you're not much a student. If you really wanted to understand the Matrix, you probably could.



You were likely too caught up looking for a hollywood blockbuster action flick, and not receptive to the story unfolding.

Nebor is right there is a meaning and all that and it makes compleat sence, im very supprised that so many peopel dont se it, He may not be able to explan iit to you but i can, but i dont feel like it i just work up and i gott take care of some things