Matrix Revolutions question

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: Nebor

If you've read all the explanations, then I can't possibly explain it to you. Not only am I not much of a teacher, but if you haven't gotten it yet, then you probably never will.

so in other words you can't. There is nothing to get. Even if there was some sort of grand epiphany to be had it still doesn't make up for 2 crappy movies.

I said in my last post I can't explain it to you. I can't explain how a microprocessor works to you either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. It just means I'm not much of a teacher, and you're not much a student. If you really wanted to understand the Matrix, you probably could.



You were likely too caught up looking for a hollywood blockbuster action flick, and not receptive to the story unfolding.

Nebor is right there is a meaning and all that and it makes compleat sence, im very supprised that so many peopel dont se it, He may not be able to explan iit to you but i can, but i dont feel like it i just work up and i gott take care of some things

Don't bother... the people that hate it will always hate it, no matter how much you explain it to them.

 

[Mr N8]

All I know is that I'm still waiting for them to come out with an apology for the whole ordeal.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
I thought Smith was a program writen to eliminate the One (Neo). Once his purpose was completed there was no need for the program and it ran its self destruct routine.

I was under the impression that because Neo was connected directly to the Matrix, once Smith took over Neo, the Matrix had a direct link to Smith, and was able to destroy him. But the explanation you mentioned also makes sense... I can't remember which one is actually the case.

Smith was always connected to the martix, he was created by the matrix I believe (don't quote me, I'll have to look deeper at the first two movies). However, Smith became too powerful and began to run independant of the matrix. I remember something said one can not exist without the other (ying and yang thing). Which almost blows my virus / anti-virus thing. As Neo is considered a virus to the matrix.

Neo spoke with the oricle and she told him he already knew is destiny but wasn't ready to accept it, essentially he knew The One needed to be removed from the system inorder to save the system and the deal made was for peace between Machine city and humans. In Neo's mind he believed first that he was there to defeat the machines which then he needed to live at all costs. However, as his thought improved he realized it was his removal that would bring peace.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
I thought Smith was a program writen to eliminate the One (Neo). Once his purpose was completed there was no need for the program and it ran its self destruct routine.

I was under the impression that because Neo was connected directly to the Matrix, once Smith took over Neo, the Matrix had a direct link to Smith, and was able to destroy him. But the explanation you mentioned also makes sense... I can't remember which one is actually the case.

Smith was always connected to the martix, he was created by the matrix I believe (don't quote me, I'll have to look deeper at the first two movies). However, Smith became too powerful and began to run independant of the matrix. I remember something said one can not exist without the other (ying and yang thing). Which almost blows my virus / anti-virus thing. As Neo is considered a virus to the matrix.

Neo spoke with the oricle and she told him he already knew is destiny but wasn't ready to accept it, essentially he knew The One needed to be removed from the system inorder to save the system and the deal made was for peace between Machine city and humans. In Neo's mind he believed first that he was there to defeat the machines which then he needed to live at all costs. However, as his thought improved he realized it was his removal that would bring peace.

Its very yin/yang matter/anti-matter IMO. That was Neo's epiphany at the end and the point of the superman battle (however cheesy.) Neo realized he could never destroy Smith alone, the only way was to give into him and allow himself to be taken over, but paradoxically take over Smith as well. Do the machines launch a virus prog or what..I don't know, but it doesn't really matter (not the point but merely explaination.) The Oracle says something about this right before Neo's epiphany, don't remem what, it's been a while since I saw the movie.

Everything that happens is told to us in M2, particularly in the exchanges w/ the Architect. It had to end this way or the movie would have not (or just less ) made sense. Neo's purpose was not to defeat the machines, but to bring balance and mutual interdependence to their relationship. This was the overarching theme of the movies. To me, this was a very non-Western resolution. Reminded me more of ideas presented in many anime, were good/evil is not so B/W and absolute victory is rarely acheived. You can def tell the influence this genre had on this series.

The Cons: I agree with the poster who said basically there were too many half-developed chars who really did nothing to contribute to the story beyond confusion. Many interesting chars were overlooked (like the Meroving,) and opportunities was lost to really expand the story in a more meaningful way. IMO, the W bros tried to make the story too much, too heavy and "deep." Christainity, Buddism, Shinto, Judism, Greek myth...its too much. I like the attempt, but the xtra themes they jammed in just distracted from the rest of the movie. Sometimes less is more, one philosophy they did not capitalize on.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
<sarcasm> I like how Neo acquired magical powers in Revolutions, like not having to be jacked in, being able to see things without his eyes, being able to have visions of the machine city before he was ever there, etc. It really added to the suspension of disbelief. </sarcasm>



And the throwaway line explaining all this crap really helped my comprehension of what was going on - "The power of the One extends beyond the Matrix". Yeah, right. At least TRY to come up with a suitable explanation, instead of essentially telling us "it's this way in the movie because we said so"

Are you retarded? You should have gotten the idea from the first Matrix that Neo has these powers, but he has to realize he has them or be beat down so much his body forces him to use them. Did they really need to go through that explanation again?

And yes, it is that way in the movie because the writers DID say so. There was a city at the center of the earth because the writers said so. There was a war against the machines because the writers said so. There was a character named "Thomas Anderson" because the writers said so. What's so hard about that?

 

[Nebor]

And the throwaway line explaining all this crap really helped my comprehension of what was going on - "The power of the One extends beyond the Matrix". Yeah, right. At least TRY to come up with a suitable explanation, instead of essentially telling us "it's this way in the movie because we said so"

Neo is genetically and possibly cybernetically enhanced. That's how he grows to be The One, it's all planned out by the machines, another form of control. But this time the Oracle threw a monkey wrench in the works.

 

[blackdogdeek]

ok, i always thought, most likely incorrectly, that what happened at the end was that smith killed neo and then took over his dying body and since it was being deleted from the matrix, smith, and therefore all the other smiths, were also deleted from the matrix.

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: Nebor
Movies are like wine... some people hate them simply because they cannot appreciate or understand them.



Matrix Revolutions was a fine continuation of the series. If you watch all three movies back to back, you may like it better.



Or it could just be that the grand concepts laid out in Revolutions are too much for you to grasp.

stfu, M2 and M3 both sucked no matter how DEEP you know it go or think how deep you know them.
And I'm a Matrix fan!

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Lazee

it's getting hot in here...

Yeah.... Sorta.

Am I missing something here? What's that blue writing for?

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
So Neo kills himself kinda to save everyone?

Yes.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
ok, i always thought, most likely incorrectly, that what happened at the end was that smith killed neo and then took over his dying body and since it was being deleted from the matrix, smith, and therefore all the other smiths, were also deleted from the matrix.

Close. What happened is:

Smith infected Neo (like a viri taking over him). Once Neo was infected/gone, Smith no longer served a purpose because his purpose was to destroy Neo. Everything w/o a purpose is deleted in the matrix. Hence, Smith's destruction.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
I thought Smith was a program writen to eliminate the One (Neo). Once his purpose was completed there was no need for the program and it ran its self destruct routine.

I was under the impression that because Neo was connected directly to the Matrix, once Smith took over Neo, the Matrix had a direct link to Smith, and was able to destroy him. But the explanation you mentioned also makes sense... I can't remember which one is actually the case.

Smith was always connected to the martix, he was created by the matrix I believe (don't quote me, I'll have to look deeper at the first two movies). However, Smith became too powerful and began to run independant of the matrix. I remember something said one can not exist without the other (ying and yang thing). Which almost blows my virus / anti-virus thing. As Neo is considered a virus to the matrix.

Neo spoke with the oricle and she told him he already knew is destiny but wasn't ready to accept it, essentially he knew The One needed to be removed from the system inorder to save the system and the deal made was for peace between Machine city and humans. In Neo's mind he believed first that he was there to defeat the machines which then he needed to live at all costs. However, as his thought improved he realized it was his removal that would bring peace.

- Smith/Neo were created by the Oracle and the Arch. Hence Smith calling the Oracle "Mom" in revolutions.

- You right if you considered Smith behavior similar to that of a Virus, not Neo though.

- Neo didnt need to be removed from the system, he needed to go back to the source.

- Neo realized that he needed to die (jesus) in order to save everyone, but only once Smith was standing over him and said "every beginning has an end"(something like that), it was then that he realized that he had to sacrafic himself to defeat Smtih and save everyone. Smith could see into the future because he possed the oracles abilities after infecting her (but remember! The oracle could only see past the choices ones already made. If you had not made a choice yet, then it could not be seen by her) hence Smith not being able to see into his demise until the very end. ("no no, stay back!")

 

[Mayfriday0529]

Do you guys think they might continue the Matrix later on like 10 years from now? I mean in the end of Revolutions, they state that they could see Neo again.

 

[azazyel]

I was sick last weekend and did a mini marathon and watched all three in a row. They were much better that way. I can't wait to do that with Kill Bill

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: Jnetty99
Do you guys think they might continue the Matrix later on like 10 years from now? I mean in the end of Revolutions, they state that they could see Neo again.

I doubt it, but then again after Return of the Jedi, no one was really expecting the prequels to come out for Star Wars.

 

[Raj]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Movies are like wine... some people hate them simply because they cannot appreciate or understand them.



Matrix Revolutions was a fine continuation of the series. If you watch all three movies back to back, you may like it better.



Or it could just be that the grand concepts laid out in Revolutions are too much for you to grasp.



EDIT: And to answer the OP, Neo did what the one was meant to do. He balanced the equation, and returned to the source, but this time, Zion was not destroyed. Technically, he let Smith take him over while he was connected directly to the machine mainframe, so the machines could send some sort of surge or virus to Smith, destroying him.

ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh now i get it. thank you.

 

[440sixpack]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5
I've read that thing back and forth, read every explanation. It's ALL CRAP.
Here is it, explan away why this crap is of any importance.

The Architect: Hello, Neo.

Neo: Who are you?

{snip}

The Architect: Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect: We won't

On a side note, I found Will Ferrell's parody of this scene in last year's Academy Awards the funniest thing I'd seen in a long time.

 

[Hammer]

I "get it", i'm just not impressed.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: ness1469

Originally posted by: Jnetty99
Do you guys think they might continue the Matrix later on like 10 years from now? I mean in the end of Revolutions, they state that they could see Neo again.

I doubt it, but then again after Return of the Jedi, no one was really expecting the prequels to come out for Star Wars.

What I would hope is they continue with more "animatrix." Those were really cool and seemed to build the world more effectively than the movies really did. Its a great universe and it would be a shame to just put it to rest so quickly. The best thing about it imo, is that it is so open ended. You can allow alot of people to interpret and build on the world w/o detracting from the core.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: 440sixpack

Originally posted by: fivespeed5
I've read that thing back and forth, read every explanation. It's ALL CRAP.
Here is it, explan away why this crap is of any importance.

The Architect: Hello, Neo.

Neo: Who are you?

{snip}

The Architect: Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect: We won't

On a side note, I found Will Ferrell's parody of this scene in last year's Academy Awards the funniest thing I'd seen in a long time.

MTV movie awards, not Academy Awards.. Very funny though

 

[Nebor]

Everything w/o a purpose is deleted in the matrix. Hence, Smith's destruction.

If the machines (matrix) could just delete Smith remotely, why didn't they do it earlier? If you recall, programs are deleted when agents come and kill them, as per the key maker.

Smith could see into the future because he possed the oracles abilities after infecting her (but remember! The oracle could only see past the choices ones already made. If you had not made a choice yet, then it could not be seen by her) hence Smith not being able to see into his demise until the very end. ("no no, stay back!")

Woah woah, you got that all wrong. The oracle told us that all the choices were already made, everyone was just there to understand why they made their choices. The line is, "We can't see past the choices we don't understand." That's why Smith couldn't see the true ending until it was too late.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Hammer
I "get it", i'm just not impressed.

yeah, that's how I felt.

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not that anyone is asking my opinion :roll:

 

[tallest1]

I think the AI screwed up in M3. They shouldn't have made that stupid "We'll give you peace if you kill Smith" agreement. If Neo had died earlier, Smith would have died &amp; with him gone, the rogue humans would be eliminated. But nooo, the AI tried negotiations and they got the short end of the stick in the end.

 

[nageov3t]

no one ever gave the AI's credit for being smart. heh. the human is a pretty crappy source of energy. they'd have been a lot better off using nuclear power

 

[her209]

The only good thing that came out of M3 was that killed Neo and his boyfriend, Trinity.