Matrix Reloaded: What is the real world? WARNING SPOILERS

[Looney]

I didn't follow the official thread... it was just too huge. But i had a discussion today with some people, and i'll like to continue it here focusing on just this part... is the real world (the world Zion is in) real... or is it another Matrix?

I believe it's another Matrix, based on 3 things:

1) Agent Smith took over Bane... how else could he affect Bane in the real world, unless it was actually another Matrix?

2) Neo stopped the Sentinels in the end... how else could he stop them, unless it was another Matrix that he 'woke up to'... remember his last words... something like 'this feels different'. I believe he begins to see the real world for what it is... another Matrix.

3) He doesn't wake up after he stops the Sentinels... i believe that's because he finally woke up for real... in the REAL world.

Now... why would the machines create a world within a world? I believe they did it because whatever they did, people still woke up within the Matrix. By creating a world within a world, when people woke up, they were still within the Matrix, thus still within the control of the machines. So yes, Zion was created by the machines... to house those who 'woke up'. They believed they were freed, and still function as such... but in reality, they were just dreaming within another dream.

 

[Looney]

A 4th idea actually... remember the room with the Architect? How else could those screens show things in the 'real' world, unless it was just another Matrix?

EDIT: 5th idea why Zion reality is another Matrix. Zion was destroyed 5 times previously. If that were so, wouldn't there be some sort of evidence of previous Zions? Only if Zion reality was another Matrix, could they 'reset' it properly and erase all previous existence that the current generation of people that 'wake up' realize that they were the first.

EDIT: 6th idea why Zion reality is another Matrix. Neo has the prophecy of Trinity falling. According to the Architech, ghosts, psychic powers, premonitions, are glitches in the Matrix.

 

[jinduy]

there are at least two matrices...one for the regular people, another for the people of zion, and possibly more others for other unique people i am guessing.

 

[tokamak]

man youre in over your head here. just wait until november

 

[jinduy]

) He doesn't wake up after he stops the Sentinels... i believe that's because he finally woke up for real... in the REAL world.

so what table is he lying on in the end? if he really is separated from the rest...could anyone interact with him?

 

[gwlam12]

well...stuff that happens in the matrix happens in the real world...like when you die in the matrix, you die in the real world. i dont see why that isnt the same for smith taking over bane.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: jinduy
) He doesn't wake up after he stops the Sentinels... i believe that's because he finally woke up for real... in the REAL world.

so what table is he lying on in the end? if he really is separated from the rest...could anyone interact with him?

He's lying in the Matrix that is Zion. He's unconscious there, because in reality, he has finally woken up.

 

[gwlam12]

neo couldve stopped the sentinels because he is "the one." this is sci-fi after all, and perhaps because he is the one, he can unleash his powers in the real world as well. i hope that doesnt happen or else it'll just get too weird.

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: jinduy
) He doesn't wake up after he stops the Sentinels... i believe that's because he finally woke up for real... in the REAL world.

so what table is he lying on in the end? if he really is separated from the rest...could anyone interact with him?

He's lying in the Matrix that is Zion. He's unconscious there, because in reality, he has finally woken up.

when he wakes up in the matrix, his body disappears. so why wouldnt it disappear from zion?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: gwlam12
well...stuff that happens in the matrix happens in the real world...like when you die in the matrix, you die in the real world. i dont see why that isnt the same for smith taking over bane.

How can he? Brains are a function of synapses... you're telling me, somehow a program was able to completely rewired a real brain so that it function like Smith? Remember when he was able to st ab Neo in Zion... he said 'we'll be seeing you'. I don't think a program can rewire a real physical brain... unless the physical brain was really nothing but another program.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: jinduy
) He doesn't wake up after he stops the Sentinels... i believe that's because he finally woke up for real... in the REAL world.

so what table is he lying on in the end? if he really is separated from the rest...could anyone interact with him?

He's lying in the Matrix that is Zion. He's unconscious there, because in reality, he has finally woken up.

when he wakes up in the matrix, his body disappears. so why wouldnt it disappear from zion?

Because he 'woke' up in the Matrix, it was simply waking up to another Matrix. It wouldn't be beneficial to have 2 programs running simultaneously at the same time, that would just trigger those 'freed' to believe that something fishy was going on... and they might realize that the Zion reality is actually another Matrix.

 

[jinduy]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: jinduy
) He doesn't wake up after he stops the Sentinels... i believe that's because he finally woke up for real... in the REAL world.

so what table is he lying on in the end? if he really is separated from the rest...could anyone interact with him?

He's lying in the Matrix that is Zion. He's unconscious there, because in reality, he has finally woken up.

ahh interesting point.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: gwlam12
neo couldve stopped the sentinels because he is "the one." this is sci-fi after all, and perhaps because he is the one, he can unleash his powers in the real world as well. i hope that doesnt happen or else it'll just get too weird.

No... what would he use? Psychic powers? Remember that all wierd anamolies, such as psychic powers, ghosts, premonitions, etc, were nothing but glitches in the Matrix. The REAL world is completely scientific, and things like psychi powers and ghosts doesn't exist.

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: jinduy
) He doesn't wake up after he stops the Sentinels... i believe that's because he finally woke up for real... in the REAL world.

so what table is he lying on in the end? if he really is separated from the rest...could anyone interact with him?

He's lying in the Matrix that is Zion. He's unconscious there, because in reality, he has finally woken up.

when he wakes up in the matrix, his body disappears. so why wouldnt it disappear from zion?

Because he 'woke' up in the Matrix, it was simply waking up to another Matrix. It wouldn't be beneficial to have 2 programs running simultaneously at the same time, that would just trigger those 'freed' to believe that something fishy was going on... and they might realize that the Zion reality is actually another Matrix.

You could say the same thing for the original Matrix.

 

[BD2003]

Well, the oracle said that neo is now "between your world and ours" in enter the matrix...

 

[jinduy]

that'd be pretty awesome if he actually is in the real world now ...but wonder if his arse would get annhilated by all the other real sentinels¿

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Well, the oracle said that neo is now "between your world and ours" in enter the matrix...

Yeah she did say that... but i believe that the Oracle is simply another force of the Machines. Whatever the Architech does, somebody ALWAYS wake up... and there is always a 'the one' that is borned from the Matrix. The oracle role is to guide the one that wakes up... by guiding them, she is really controlling them. She guides them to the Architech, which ultimately gives him an option... to either reset the Matrix, and choose 26 new people to repopulate Zion (to restart the cycle), or to risk destroying all of humanity. All the 5 previous 'Ones', chose to restart the Matrix... but this Neo is different... he has love in the equation... so he chooses to save Trinity rather than mankind.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: jinduy
) He doesn't wake up after he stops the Sentinels... i believe that's because he finally woke up for real... in the REAL world.

so what table is he lying on in the end? if he really is separated from the rest...could anyone interact with him?

He's lying in the Matrix that is Zion. He's unconscious there, because in reality, he has finally woken up.

when he wakes up in the matrix, his body disappears. so why wouldnt it disappear from zion?

Because he 'woke' up in the Matrix, it was simply waking up to another Matrix. It wouldn't be beneficial to have 2 programs running simultaneously at the same time, that would just trigger those 'freed' to believe that something fishy was going on... and they might realize that the Zion reality is actually another Matrix.

You could say the same thing for the original Matrix.

What do you mean?

By having people 'wake up', but their body still living on in the Matrix world? That would seem odd... people would fall unconscious, then sometime later, the would wake up with trenchcoats and submachine guns, and doing wild stuff that defies physics? No, too many questions.

 

[jinduy]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: jinduy
) He doesn't wake up after he stops the Sentinels... i believe that's because he finally woke up for real... in the REAL world.

so what table is he lying on in the end? if he really is separated from the rest...could anyone interact with him?

He's lying in the Matrix that is Zion. He's unconscious there, because in reality, he has finally woken up.

when he wakes up in the matrix, his body disappears. so why wouldnt it disappear from zion?

Because he 'woke' up in the Matrix, it was simply waking up to another Matrix. It wouldn't be beneficial to have 2 programs running simultaneously at the same time, that would just trigger those 'freed' to believe that something fishy was going on... and they might realize that the Zion reality is actually another Matrix.

You could say the same thing for the original Matrix.

What do you mean?

By having people 'wake up', but their body still living on in the Matrix world? That would seem odd... people would fall unconscious, then sometime later, the would wake up with trenchcoats and submachine guns, and doing wild stuff that defies physics? No, too many questions.

i think in the animatrix, that asian chick got killed while she was loaded up (in zion) into the matrix we all know and love, but her virtual body remained there, dead.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
i think in the animatrix, that asian chick got killed while she was loaded up (in zion) into the matrix we all know and love, but her virtual body remained there, dead.

Well, if you die in the Matrix, your body is still there too... it's only if you 'wake up', that your body disappears.

 

[Looney]

I just think there are WAY too many questions if the Zion world is a real world... like the first 4 i put up. But if it's just another Matrix, it answers it all.

 

[Eli]

Did you watch the movie?

They created the world inside of the world because it is necessary for their survival.

 

[jinduy]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
i think in the animatrix, that asian chick got killed while she was loaded up (in zion) into the matrix we all know and love, but her virtual body remained there, dead.

Well, if you die in the Matrix, your body is still there too... it's only if you 'wake up', that your body disappears.

maybe he did wake up...but it was sort of like an unexpected, abrupt wakeup similar to like how your computer shuts down on you for no reason (hardware failure, etc) when you were supposed to put it to sleep using windows' shutdown function.

wouldn't dying be a lot like pulling the plug? maybe somehow his "plug" got pulled all of a sudden, but survived it! :Q


actually nm...he was still breathing wasn't he?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Eli
Did you watch the movie?

They created the world inside of the world because it is necessary for their survival.

You mean the machines created it for their survival? Or the people?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
i think in the animatrix, that asian chick got killed while she was loaded up (in zion) into the matrix we all know and love, but her virtual body remained there, dead.

Well, if you die in the Matrix, your body is still there too... it's only if you 'wake up', that your body disappears.

maybe he did wake up...but it was sort of like an unexpected, abrupt wakeup similar to like how your computer shuts down on you for no reason (hardware failure, etc) when you were supposed to put it to sleep using windows' shutdown function.

wouldn't dying be a lot like pulling the plug? maybe somehow his "plug" got pulled all of a sudden...

Exactly! I don't think they ever anticipated anybody to wake up from Zion... it's a world that makes perfect sense to those that wake up... you wake up, and realize that reality as you knew it, is simply a computer program... so you spend you life trying to free more people from that computer program. But you don't realize that it's just another reality within a reality, so you don't bother to go any further.