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Massive Meteor Shower -Activates Russian Nuke Defense Systems

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46% of Americans believe in creationism and 80% believe in angels.

36% of Americans believe in UFO's and that aliens have visited Earth, 10% say they've seen one, and 65% say that Obama would better handle an alien invasion than Mitt Romney.
 
It's been hours and we still don't have an answer to the really important question.

Is it a pallasite?
Imilac-Pallasite-2.jpg


Pallasites
 
Wow. Just a slight change in that thing's trajectory, and we'd be looking at a sizable crater over there.



Why? Why waste money on this? Do we have the technology to destroy or divert rocks like this yet in any sort of feasible way? If not there's no point in detecting them then.

People watch too many damn movies, just like the initial reaction that somehow those backwards ass Russians shot it down. Holy shit people. 🙄
So I guess if a problem's eventual conclusion isn't already known, there's no point in even starting?
Huh.
My job would be pretty damn simple if that was the case - I'd mostly just sit and stare at a wall all day, waiting for problems to come in that were already effectively solved.

I just wish we could have done everything like that. Don't bother figuring out how to use or refine crude oil until you know how to build an entire car. Don't bother researching explosives until you know how to build a rocket. Don't bother sending spy planes over enemy territory until you've already devised and completed your attack strategy.
Or hell, we can't change the weather, so why do we bother monitoring it?




You can't do a real threat assessment without finding them first. You can't hope to deflect them in time if you don't find them first.

The basic technology to deflect them exists, we've done flybys of comets, the radar tech is good enough. But it's a long way from happening, both in funding and just designing and building stuff.
Agreed. If we do a thorough analysis and find that there's no big threat for the next 150 years, but we do find a few smaller things that are easy to deal with, we can do that.



That's just it, until there's even a remotely feasible way of diverting these rocks any sort of detection is pointless.

Not only that but we're going to take telescope time away from real scientific research for this pie in the sky bullshit. Unless the intent is to fund the construction of more telescopes...
Flipside: If we do find something big that's 75 years away, I think there'd be a pretty significant push to get something figured out, rather than the alternative of, 74.9 years from now, seeing a very significant problem that's now too close to solve.


One step at a time.
The observation and threat analysis is something that's feasible to do now. Let's focus on that then. The deflection can come later on, once we have an idea of what's out there, and how urgent it may be.
Short-sighted approaches can lead to serious problems later on.


Nukes are a perfectly feasible way of diverting asteroids. If you have years of warning it doesn't take much delta-v to alter their course enough so that they don't hit the Earth.
Not to mention that it also helps to have even more years to characterize its orbit more accurately. Then if it is a threat, allow more time to determine what it would do if it was deflected.

I think that nukes would only be effective on smaller objects though. That's just a quick little burst of energy, especially if it's a big chunk of iron and nickel.


(...then wait for the military superpowers of the world to try to figure out how to deflect it to hit a specific part of the planet. You know that someone out there would love to be able to do that.)



46% of Americans believe in creationism and 80% believe in angels.

36% of Americans believe in UFO's and that aliens have visited Earth, 10% say they've seen one, and 65% say that Obama would better handle an alien invasion than Mitt Romney.
This can lead to the potentially dangerous view of opposing this sort of thing, because "God won't let that sort of thing happen to us."
Uh huh. Okay then.
What was this then, just a playful whipping for the fun of it?
We're in a Universe that is quite indifferent about our presence in it. If physics says a space rock is heading this way, physics will get what it wants, unless we are able to wield the tools of physics ourselves.



I don't think so (it being because of the temperature.) I believe it's from the massive pressure/shock of it hitting the Earth's atmosphere. The temperature only changes at the surface, or very near to the surface. There simply isn't enough time for thermal conduction to significantly heat the interior.

For a similar problem: http://whatif.xkcd.com/28/
It describes in good enough detail & is fun to read.
Interesting.
It is definitely being subjected to a very different loading scenario than it's seen during its life of floating in interplanetary space.
 
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46% of Americans believe in creationism and 80% believe in angels.

36% of Americans believe in UFO's and that aliens have visited Earth, 10% say they've seen one, and 65% say that Obama would better handle an alien invasion than Mitt Romney.

UFO does not equal "aliens" and all people who claim to have seen/"believe" them do not deserve to be lumped together and ridiculed with ET believers.

My friend, brother, and I saw a ball of light streak across the clear sky then come down in front of us. It then circled around a tree, went up and came back down behind a trailer. It then traveled from back yard to back yard down the street before shooting back up into the sky.

Was the object identified and walking or swimming?
No. The object was unidentified and flying: A UFO.
Was it aliens?
I would assume not. It was most likely a form of ball lightning, which is a phenomenon I was not aware of at the time, hence, "unidentified."
 
We are the aliens in the universe to another planet, how ridiculous of a notion is it to think we are the only life out there
 
We are the aliens in the universe to another planet, how ridiculous of a notion is it to think we are the only life out there

We had better be careful traveling to other stars if we ever get to that point. An alien life form would see us as a threat and they would be right. One look at earth should tell you to keep us as far away from you as possible.
 
LOL @ thinking a SAM is going to track and hit something moving that fast.

The US is the world leader in airborne interception, and we don't even have it down. And ICBMs are a tad slower.

Title is misleading, Russia is behind on MIRV defense, although the S-400 and S-500 can and will compete/exceed current Patriot 3 systems for non ICBM threats.

Patriot? Lol SM-3 >>>> Patriot.

Patriot is short range point defense, not anti exo atmospheric.
 
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Nukes are a perfectly feasible way of diverting asteroids. If you have years of warning it doesn't take much delta-v to alter their course enough so that they don't hit the Earth.



You watch too much Hollywood. Nukes aren't even an accepted theoretical method of diverting asteroids or comets.
 
Today's early morning blast, centered on the Chelyabinsk region, sent massive tremors through the ground, which were recorded on seismic monitoring instruments around the world.

Initial reports pegged the explosion as similar to a magnitude 2.7 shaker, according a seismograph released by the USGS. For comparison, the 1908 Tunguska meteor blast's shock waves, which flattened 80 million trees in Siberia, produced the equivalent of an estimated 5.0 temblor.

http://www.space.com/19816-russian-meteor-earthquake-signal.html
 
Wow. Just a slight change in that thing's trajectory, and we'd be looking at a sizable crater over there.




So I guess if a problem's eventual conclusion isn't already known, there's no point in even starting?
Huh.
My job would be pretty damn simple if that was the case - I'd mostly just sit and stare at a wall all day, waiting for problems to come in that were already effectively solved.

I just wish we could have done everything like that. Don't bother figuring out how to use or refine crude oil until you know how to build an entire car. Don't bother researching explosives until you know how to build a rocket. Don't bother sending spy planes over enemy territory until you've already devised and completed your attack strategy.
Or hell, we can't change the weather, so why do we bother monitoring it?





Agreed. If we do a thorough analysis and find that there's no big threat for the next 150 years, but we do find a few smaller things that are easy to deal with, we can do that.




Flipside: If we do find something big that's 75 years away, I think there'd be a pretty significant push to get something figured out, rather than the alternative of, 74.9 years from now, seeing a very significant problem that's now too close to solve.


One step at a time.
The observation and threat analysis is something that's feasible to do now. Let's focus on that then. The deflection can come later on, once we have an idea of what's out there, and how urgent it may be.
Short-sighted approaches can lead to serious problems later on.



Not to mention that it also helps to have even more years to characterize its orbit more accurately. Then if it is a threat, allow more time to determine what it would do if it was deflected.

I think that nukes would only be effective on smaller objects though. That's just a quick little burst of energy, especially if it's a big chunk of iron and nickel.


(...then wait for the military superpowers of the world to try to figure out how to deflect it to hit a specific part of the planet. You know that someone out there would love to be able to do that.)




This can lead to the potentially dangerous view of opposing this sort of thing, because "God won't let that sort of thing happen to us."
Uh huh. Okay then.
What was this then, just a playful whipping for the fun of it?
We're in a Universe that is quite indifferent about our presence in it. If physics says a space rock is heading this way, physics will get what it wants, unless we are able to wield the tools of physics ourselves.




Interesting.
It is definitely being subjected to a very different loading scenario than it's seen during its life of floating in interplanetary space.





Here's the issue, it's a minutely small chance to begin with. We have a very limited space budget as it is with people not even wanting to do real research into anything space anymore. So we're going to use what money to fund this? What telescope time are we going to use?

We can't take away what little resources we have for scientific research and development on space to fund wackadoo shit like this. If you can find a way to fund it then I'll be all for it, but it's not going to get funded by the government. Maybe universities or some fund. The only way the government is going to fund it is when something does hit the planet and kill tons of people. Had that rock in Russia hit a city and killed thousands then maybe, or maybe stamp Al Qaeda on it. Then NASA and these kinds of projects get funded. Maybe more telescopes and equipment get sourced.

I'd love for all the wasted money and computer time to be used on this than something stupid like SETI, so maybe that can happen, I just don't see it nor support it coming out of NASA's already small budget.
 
You watch too much Hollywood. Nukes aren't even an accepted theoretical method of diverting asteroids or comets.

Why do you feel the need to act like such an asshole, especially when you're talking about something you clearly know nothing about? They were plotting about how to use nukes to deflect asteroids back in the 1960s.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/175/1

Here are some other studies:

http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/planetary/abstracts-f.php

Conceptual design of an asteroid interceptor for a nuclear deflection mission

Mark J. Barrera

2004 Planetary Defense Conference: Protecting Earth from Asteroids; Orange County, CA; Feb. 23-26, 2004

A conceptual design was developed for an asteroid interceptor vehicle using a nuclear explosive to deflect Athos, a 200-m diameter threat object. A notional concept of operations is proposed for delivering the interceptor to the asteroid, detonating the nuclear device, and verifying the effectiveness of the intercept. Preliminary system requirements and constraints were derived based on desired performance and near-term available technology. The proposed requirements and constraints were used to establish conceptual designs for an interceptor and cruise stage including estimates for the nuclear device and vehicle homing instruments. Further discussion is provided regarding issues in mission design, vehicle guidance, and design adaptability for alternate threat scenarios.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/03/supercomputers-model-nuclear-bomb.html

Scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory, a U.S. Department of Energy facility in New Mexico, used a supercomputer to model nukes' anti-asteroid effectiveness. They attacked a 1,650-foot-long (500-meter) space rock with a 1-megaton nuclear weapon — about 50 times more powerful than the U.S. blast inflicted on Nagasaki, Japan, to help end World War II.

HPCWire - the simulation shows that a nuclear blast of that power would indeed “fully mitigate” the threat to Earth.

http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2012-03-12/nukes_to_save_the_earth.html
 
Anyways, such an odd coincidence since asteroid 2012 ad was also scheduled today. I know NASA is saying the meteorite went north to south, and the asteroid south to north, so they are unrelated events, but man... the odds! I should buy a lotto ticket today.

What makes it even more odd is the timing with North Korea's nuclear test. Coincidence or a cover-up for a weather space weapon program? 😀
 
Why do you feel the need to act like such an asshole, especially when you're talking about something you clearly know nothing about? They were plotting about how to use nukes to deflect asteroids back in the 1960s.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/175/1

Here are some other studies:

http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/planetary/abstracts-f.php



http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/03/supercomputers-model-nuclear-bomb.html



http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2012-03-12/nukes_to_save_the_earth.html

I think most experts agree that nukes would be ineffective.

I think most experts would agree that there would be no chance of detecting and stopping something of this size, and no point in looking for them.

They are looking for big rocks, not these puny pebbles.

I think most experts would also agree that the best method we have to deflect them currently is by finding them decades or hundreds of years before they will hit Earth, and then simply orbiting them with something massive which can pull away ever so slowly, and thus use it's gravity to pull the asteroid into another path.
 
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