Massachusetts Hospital Association: Smokers Need Not Apply

[Amused]

:\No its not.

The job is there and you've asked me to do it. The job continues to be there and I continue to do it well, why should you be able to fire me?

The job is there and you've asked me to do it. The job continues to be there and I now don't do it well (by quitting), You stop paying me.

You can see the difference in those two scenarios, yes?

The employer isn't being forced to continue an agreement after he no longer needs to, if he continues to need a job done he should continue to honour the contract.

Wow. You are dense, aren't you?

Maybe it would be simpler if you think of employment like marriage. Or do you think a wife should be forced to stay in a marriage as long as you keep fucking her?

 

[WelshBloke]

Wow. You are dense, aren't you?

Maybe it would be simpler if you think of employment like marriage. Or do you think a wife should be forced to stay in a marriage as long as you keep fucking her?

Now you're back at that clutching at straws stage but with random lame insults thrown in as well.

Well done.

Look, If you cant rationalise your point it may be better for you not to argue it.

 

[Amused]

Now you're back at that clutching at straws stage but with random lame insults thrown in as well.

Well done.

Look, If you cant rationalise your point it may be better for you not to argue it.

I'm sorry, but I am not the irrational one here. That you cannot grasp the fact that an employment contract is a mutual agreement boggles my mind. That you feel you should be able to terminate the agreement at will, but the employer should not boggles my mind even more.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm sorry, but I am not the irrational one here. That you cannot grasp the fact that an employment contract is a mutual agreement boggles my mind. That you feel you should be able to terminate the agreement at will, but the employer should not boggles my mind even more.

When your mind seems able to get over this simple point maybe you'll want to come back and discus it.

If the employer no longer needs the servi..... oh whats the point.

Honestly your whole argument is "whaaaaa, I don't like you I should be able to do what I want"

 

[Amused]

When your mind seems able to get over this simple point maybe you'll want to come back and discus it.

If the employer no longer needs the servi..... oh whats the point.

Honestly your whole argument is "whaaaaa, I don't like you I should be able to do what I want"

No, my whole argument is this: If an employee is free to terminate the employment contract at will, the employer should have the same rights. Period.

 

[WelshBloke]

No, my whole argument is this: If an employee is free to terminate the employment contract at will, the employer should have the same rights. Period.

Hypothetical. You need your garden landscaped. You and me come to an agreement whereby you want me to do the work. I go and purchase the necessary materials to do the job. You spot me smoking in my front garden one day and now decide you don't want me to do the job.

Should you have the right to cancel that contract and make me eat the loss in materials?

 

[Amused]

Hypothetical. You need your garden landscaped. You and me come to an agreement whereby you want me to do the work. I go and purchase the necessary materials to do the job. You spot me smoking in my front garden one day and now decide you don't want me to do the job.

Should you have the right to cancel that contract and make me eat the loss in materials?

People fire contractors all the time. I would, of course, have to compensate you for the labor and materials you did use up until that point in time, but you have no legal right to force me to allow you to finish the job UNLESS we signed a contract stating such.

 

[WelshBloke]

People fire contractors all the time. I would, of course, have to compensate you for the labor and materials you did use up until that point in time, but you have no legal right to force me to allow you to finish the job UNLESS we signed a contract stating such.

Thats true, I may have a legal right to force you to pay me the agreed full fee for the job though.

 

[Amused]

Thats true, I may have a legal right to force you to pay me the agreed full fee for the job though.

Only IF I signed a contract stating such.

 

[WelshBloke]

Only IF I signed a contract stating such.

Dude, we had I contract with you asking me to do the work, I didn't breach it.

You breached the contract, you have to compensate me for the losses that occur.

I was willing and able to fulfil all aspects of the job.

 

[Amused]

Dude, we had I contract with you asking me to do the work, I didn't breach it.

You breached the contract, you have to compensate me for the losses that occur.

I was willing and able to fulfil all aspects of the job.

I only have to compensate you for the time and materials invested. I do NOT have to compensate you for work you did not do since our contract did not stipulate such.

Bummer for you.

 

[WelshBloke]

I only have to compensate you for the time and materials invested. I do NOT have to compensate you for work you did not do since our contract did not stipulate such.

Bummer for you.

No, we had an agreement. You can pay me for the work and I'll do it or we can go to court and you can give me a good reason why you shouldn't compensate me for the loss of earnings from me turning down other work and the wages of the people I've employed to do the job and the materials I've purchased to do your work.

You act like some petulant child that can just change their mind on a whim and the world must turn for them. Your sense of entitlement is truly breathtaking.

 

[manimal]

I wish that were true. Businesses these days have to jump through hoops to fire someone.

Depends on if its a right to work state...

 

[Amused]

No, we had an agreement. You can pay me for the work and I'll do it or we can go to court and you can give me a good reason why you shouldn't compensate me for the loss of earnings from me turning down other work and the wages of the people I've employed to do the job and the materials I've purchased to do your work.

You act like some petulant child that can just change their mind on a whim and the world must turn for them. Your sense of entitlement is truly breathtaking.

MY sense of entitlement??? How is it in your opposite world?

Why the fuck should I have to compensate you for work you did not do???

Again, if an employee can terminate the employment contract at will, and employer should have the same freedom and right to do so.

 

[WelshBloke]

MY sense of entitlement??? How is it in your opposite world?

Why the fuck should I have to compensate you for work you did not do???

Again, if an employee can terminate the employment contract at will, and employer should have the same freedom and right to do so.

Because you asked me to do it and signed a contract asking me to do it.

Really, do you know what contacts are for?

 

[Amused]

Because you asked me to do it and signed a contract asking me to do it.

Really, do you know what contacts are for?

Um, no. I specifically said I am liable for that ONLY if the contract stipulates it. Since I wouldn't have signed a contract with such a stipulation, I wouldn't have to worry about compensating you for something you didn't so.

 

[WelshBloke]

Um, no. I specifically said I am liable for that ONLY if the contract stipulates it. Since I wouldn't have signed a contract with such a stipulation, I wouldn't have to worry about compensating you for something you didn't so.

So what clause is this?

The I get to cancel this contract at any time with out compensation clause?

You profess to be in business, yes? Would you be on the other end of a contract with a clause like that in it?

 

[Amused]

So what clause is this?

The I get to cancel this contract at any time with out compensation clause?

You profess to be in business, yes? Would you be on the other end of a contract with a clause like that in it?

Actually, I'm retired. And yes, all the time.

 

[WelshBloke]

Actually, I'm retired. And yes, all the time.

You should have got a better lawyer.

 

[Amused]

You should have got a better lawyer.

Why?

 

[dmcowen674]

They're also not breaking any laws so how can they be singled out? This IS supposedly still a free country where individuals have rights and if they aren't breaking the laws then how can this be justified??

Next they will refuse to hire people who like to race cars, skydive, play rugby, etc.

Many companies will not hire you based on the car you drive.

Sometimes even if the car is red.

I've been told by you Republicans that it is a private business so they can do what they want.

Do you disagree with that now?

 

[Darwin333]

If Boss pays for health insurance, then hell yeah it's his business.

Boss pays taxes, so would your affiliation with a political party be his business as well?

 

[Red Dawn]

Actually, I'm retired.

You sell your Fast Food Franchises?

 

[Amused]

You sell your Fast Food Franchises?

A few years ago, yeah. Moved to San Diego last year. Got tired of the snow and cold.

 

[Capt Caveman]

http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/2010/11/hospital_group_1.html?rss_id=Top+Stories

So the Massachusetts Hospital Association will now refuse to hire people who smoke, not at work, but ON THEIR OWN TIME, even at home.

Guess Barack Obama couldn't work here.

Why? Because they say its a risky activity. Also, this is not even at a hospital, we are talking about the headquarters that don't directly treat people.

So if more risk is more reward can I not hire fat people because of their lifestyle?

What about gays If gay sex was more risky could I ban homosexuals too?
Gay men live statistically very short lives.

What about blacks? More likely to die earlier in life, even more if they live in a bad neighborhood.

So which is it? Do I have the right to discriminate about who I choose to work for my private place of employment for any reason or not? Whats the difference between a smoker and a someone who practices homosexual sex? Both are more risky lifestyles. Shouldn't I be free to decide who works for me and who does not?

/facepalm

You can't differentiate the effects of homosexuality vs smoking to an employer? One has no effect while the other leads to greater absenteeism, higher health insurance costs, etc...

Are you against drug testing also? If I only shoot heroin at home and after work, how does that affect the workplace?