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[MrSquished]

I am okay with honoring the 2A by allowing single shot bolt action rifles. Anything else and ownership should require professional training and vetting. With periodic check ins and evaluations.

I've been to hunting forums just to do research. Most guys will tell you BAR are better than semi autos for hunting for various reasons, from reliability to more caliber variety to trigger feel and others. Target shooting competitors use BARs. Some say you might only really need a semi-auto for feral hog hunting which can require multiple follow up shots. Gun nuts love AR style semi-autos because they can accessorize them and they can fetishize them and play GI Joe in their minds. Sorry small-dick wanna be Rambos, playtime is over.

Also, semi-auto rifles do more damage to tissue/humans due to the caliber and velocity than your standard 9mm handgun, and have larger magazines.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

2A protest exercise?

Atlanta police detain man with six guns, body armor in grocery store | CNN

A man armed with a rifle entered an Atlanta Publix Supermarket Wednesday in Midtown at Atlantic Station, a commercial and residential area in the city, police said.

www.cnn.com

Or .... ???/

 

[soulcougher73]

I am okay with honoring the 2A by allowing single shot bolt action rifles. Anything else and ownership should require professional training and vetting. With periodic check ins and evaluations.

Is probably throw in 6 shot revolvers and double barrel shotguns as well. covers most use cases, but limited on ammo in the weapon before a reload is in order.

My other idea is guns have to be registered and stored at ranges. And you can rent out other guns to use on site if you want. but no guns ever leave the range/store. want to get your jollies off on. 50 cal or gatlin gun for an hour, rent it out. this way all guns are available to shot and you can still own them. just not at home. if going the full ban route of gun control.

 

[David Jenkins]

The 2nd Amendment is a weird thing. Latched onto by special interest groups to further manufacturer's interests and lately being espoused by one political perspective.

If you look at the amendment textually, there's no periods in it. All the right wing ethnic nationalist gun fanatics skip over that whole "well regulated" part lol.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sen Ron Johnson commenting on the insurrectionists. He was not "concerned" about the insurrectionists that stormed the capitol, killed and injured police. However same circumstances if it was BLM he would have been "concerned"

In other words, crime and insurrection is only crime and insurrection if done by black people.

I disagree. He didn't say what you claimed he did.

 

[brandonbull]

Just another boring day in America. Not even a drop in the bucket.

Can you imagine the outrage if 6 or 7 people of color tried voting without proper ID, though?

Imagine that a Syrian dude on the FBI's watchlist with know violent tendencies and mental health issues being able to buy firearms?

 

[ivwshane]

I disagree. He didn't say what you claimed he did.

What he said was much worse. He basically told us that he saw nothing wrong with our capital being attacked and overran. That's something not even you agree with. His BLM comment was pure dog whistle.

 

[ivwshane]

Is probably throw in 6 shot revolvers and double barrel shotguns as well. covers most use cases, but limited on ammo in the weapon before a reload is in order.

My other idea is guns have to be registered and stored at ranges. And you can rent out other guns to use on site if you want. but no guns ever leave the range/store. want to get your jollies off on. 50 cal or gatlin gun for an hour, rent it out. this way all guns are available to shot and you can still own them. just not at home. if going the full ban route of gun control.

There is actually history in the US where people were required to store their guns at an authorized location outside of their home.

But when has precedent ever mattered to gun nutters?

 

[pcgeek11]

What he said was much worse. He basically told us that he saw nothing wrong with our capital being attacked and overran. That's something not even you agree with. His BLM comment was pure dog whistle.

And that is fine and his opinion no matter how screwed up it is. It isn't an argument for what was claimed by HomerJS.

 

[Wuzup101]

I've been to hunting forums just to do research. Most guys will tell you BAR are better than semi autos for hunting for various reasons, from reliability to more caliber variety to trigger feel and others. Target shooting competitors use BARs. Some say you might only really need a semi-auto for feral hog hunting which can require multiple follow up shots. Gun nuts love AR style semi-autos because they can accessorize them and they can fetishize them and play GI Joe in their minds. Sorry small-dick wanna be Rambos, playtime is over.

That's somewhat subjective. Hunting what? Bolt action rifles are suitable for hunting most everything on the planet. Lever actions are typically lighter weight and offer faster follow up shots compared to bolt guns. Single shot / double barrel rifles with break actions are very popular for hard hitting rounds needed for hunting large game (think african great 5, not deer). Semi automatic rifles excel at things like feral hog hunting, but also hunting small game and predators (fox, coyote, etc....). They are also very much suitable for medium sized game (like deer). Bolt guns IMHO typically have the most "crisp" triggers (though break action triggers are also often very good). There are plenty of great triggers also available for things like the AR-15 platform.

Target shooting competions us a wide array of guns. Bolt guns excel at some, and can't be used for others. There are a number of diciplines that ONLY use semi-automatic rifles (like AR-15s), and they are extremely popular in the US. To be fair, most of the rifle target competitions that use bolt action rifles are more about how consitantly you can reload your ammo and how well you can read wind. They often involve shooting less than 1 round a minute at a target that's pretty damn far away from you (hence needing to be able to read wind and needing to develop accurate amunition). The diciplines that involve using a semi-automatic rifle involve faster strings, engaging multiple targets, phyiscal movement of the shooter, etc... To put it into an exercise perspective, semi-auto rifles are used for the crossfit games, and bolt action rifles are used for curling. Nothing wrong with either. Furthermore, while a bolt action rifle at the sportings good store is genereally significantly cheaper than a semi automatic rifle, you are going to be in for sticker shock when you see how much a high end target bolt gun costs compared to what is needed to be competative in one of the semi-auto diciplies (which actually focus more on how well you can shoot and not how well you can buy new barrels every 300-1000 rounds or the most accurate powder dispenser for developing your loads).

Also, semi-auto rifles do more damage to tissue/humans due to the caliber and velocity than your standard 9mm handgun, and have larger magazines.

This is true, and true of any high powered rifle regardless of the action (i.e. single shot, bolt, semi auto, etc...). In general high-powered rifle rounds are more damaging than small caliber pistol ammo (i.e. 9mm).

The magazine part is generally true, but there are enough exceptions that it doesn't matter as much. Standard magazine size for most of the popular weapons platforms that would be considered "assault weapons" in the subject of a bill is 30 rounds. Most semi automatic pistols max out at around 16-20 rounds in 9mm; however, you can easily get extended magazines for most major pistol brands to bring that number up. Same with the rifles; however, they are generally less reliable than their 30 round counterparts. But if you want a 100 round drum, you can get one... for both a pistol (only glocks that I know of) or a rifle.

With the above being said, one can easily carry several pistols and a lot of 30 round 9mm magazines. Furthermore, one can conceal a lot of that firepower.

Note: I'm not trying to make an argument against making semi-automatic "assault weapons" or other weapons in general less accessible to people that shouldn't have them. Just making a point that there are plenty of law abiding people who do use these weapons for very valid purposes.

 

[sportage]

Guns would never be a problem if Americans considered guns for what guns were meant for, for hunting and protection. The guns of today are considered as necessary third party for addressing anger, for addressing simple conflicts, addressing disagreements, addressing family arguments, addressing issues within the workplace, and considered as necessary when one is simply "having a bad day". America love the guns, but the love for guns has evolved into so much more. Americans are simply not up to the challenge. Not up to their new found freedoms of gun ownership. Americans are not intelligent enough nor mentally stable enough to be granted such wide open gun rights with no considerations, and I have not touched on the issue of assault weapon ownership. America... this will only get worse, so so much worse. As America divides into tribes and them vs us and right vs left and race vs race and republicans vs democrats, this will only get worse. Any American, any one of us could be shot dead when simply leaving the house. Shot dead before the door behind slams shut.

I find it so amusing and ignorant when the politicians, and in particular republican politicians, suggest the answer to gun violence is to "become more aware". Become more aware of the surroundings. Or how about the suggestion of, "to plan an escape". They actually suggest that one should "plan an escape" when entering a store, when entering a business, when attending a wedding, and when simply walking down the street. Well, I doubt any of the victims in this store shooting had time to realize what was happening, yet alone time to "plan an escape". If the average American citizen had the mindset in place as suggested by politicians, and in particular republican politicians owned by the NRA, then every American citizen would enter a grocery store like a cop enters a crime scene. With weapon drawn, hunched down, and first peaking around every corner.

None of those store workers nor shoppers on that day could have imagined a mass shooter showing up. With everything going on as a shopper or as a store employee, planning for a shooter showing up armed with an assault weapon is the last thing any of the victims had planned for. And yet, this is exactly what politicians, and in particular republican politicians, expect every American to do. No gun control, no common sense gun restrictions, no restrictions on assault weapon ownership, no.... republicans expect Americans to become "BETTER DUCKERS", and "FASTER RUNNERS", and to think and act and to re-act like a cop entering a crime scene. I wonder... is THIS how Americans want to go shopping in a store? Is THIS how the store employee wants to begin their day on the job? I have a better idea.... how about some basic common sense gun control AND... the full ban of all assault weapons. Now THERE is a plan.....

 

[soundforbjt]

As someone here that is actually capable of a conversation past that of the skills of a 6th grader, I'm curious on your thoughts as to what that is?

I am especially curious at it relates to mass shooters with no prior convictions (thus can pass background checks), and "waiting periods" are a non-issue as well. Most of those are things that the majority of the populace agrees are acceptable restrictions we should put in place.

bolded: Apparently it's an issue in Georgia.

 

[Jaskalas]

If you look at the amendment textually, there's no periods in it. All the right wing ethnic nationalist gun fanatics skip over that whole "well regulated" part lol.

Why wouldn't that translate into well armed?
The common people, every able bodied man, were the militia back in the day. They needed to know how to handle weapons. Thus they were to keep and bear arms. Not be deprived of, or ignorant of them throughout their lives. The militia (people) were to be proficient in the use of guns.

Everyone being armed is how it was intended. Does not make it good for our society today, but I do believe that is what it is.

But I say we honor it by allowing people to do so. With the modern firearm most similar to the musket. And least likely to be effective in a killing spree. Founders did not specify which kind of firearm. That part is squarely up to us.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Big surprise, an Islamic terrorist kills Americans and the leftist retards call for gun bans. Makes as much sense as most the dumb ass shit they do.

Oh look, another idiot who disregards reality to try and justify not taking action to prevent this from happening in the future.

When are people like yourself going to stop making excuses, and face the truth that we have a problem in this country where guns are the common denominator?

 

[cytg111]

I mean, just a pistol right?

Open carry: Too many guns on the street??

A real word question considering recent events. You are a cop that gets a call, shots fired. As you approach you can hear gunshots. You arrive and most people are armed some are not. Guns are being pointed at each other. How do you know good guys from bad guys? The recent Kenosha incident...

forums.anandtech.com

that is not a god damned "pistol".

 

[TheVrolok]

Imagine that a Syrian dude on the FBI's watchlist with know violent tendencies and mental health issues being able to buy firearms?

Yeah, it's nuts. What does that have to do with what I said?

 

[cytg111]

Imagine that a Syrian dude on the FBI's watchlist with know violent tendencies and mental health issues being able to buy firearms?

Permutating possible intentions by that statement, none of them reflects positively on the author.

 

[Muse]

There is actually history in the US where people were required to store their guns at an authorized location outside of their home.

But when has precedent ever mattered to gun nutters?

Dude, they get it all from TV. People on TV have guns, any damn time they want them. It's obviously everybody's right. I'm not just being sarcastic, this is where it's coming from.

 

[ivwshane]

Why wouldn't that translate into well armed?
The common people, every able bodied man, were the militia back in the day. They needed to know how to handle weapons. Thus they were to keep and bear arms. Not be deprived of, or ignorant of them throughout their lives. The militia (people) were to be proficient in the use of guns.

Everyone being armed is how it was intended. Does not make it good for our society today, but I do believe that is what it is.

But I say we honor it by allowing people to do so. With the modern firearm most similar to the musket. And least likely to be effective in a killing spree. Founders did not specify which kind of firearm. That part is squarely up to us.

It did translate into an armed populace however there is just one teenie tiny bit of detail people like to ignore, that well armed populace was to be subordinate to the state.

You can look at quotes from the founding fathers and their discussions at the time and you’ll see that little detail added/specified when talking about armed citizens. Most agreed that militias should be comprised of men, of all economic classes as well, and controlled by their respective state.

That makes sense since there were to be no federal standing army which means states had to have a way to protect itself and it’s why the constitution specifically calls out for the federal government to be able to use these militias to put down insurrections and rebellions. It’s also why the constitution specifically says that congress should decide what the standards are for those militias, so that they are uniform across the states, and the constitution also specifically says it’s up to the states to pick their officers and determine how they will train them.

Remember, it wasn’t until 2007 that the 2nd amendment was perverted into what we have now where everyone has the right to bear arms.

 

[HomerJS]

I disagree. He didn't say what you claimed he did.

Is this a Trump thing? Deny something occurred that actually did? See below, he actually said it

"Even though those thousands of people that were marching to the Capitol were trying to pressure people like me to vote the way they wanted me to vote, I knew those were people that love this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break the law, and so I wasn’t concerned,”

"“Now, had the tables been turned—Joe, this could get me in trouble—had the tables been turned, and President Trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of Black Lives Matter and antifa protesters, I might have been a little concerned,”

GOP Senator Proudly Voices Racism: If Trump's Mob Were BLM Then I'd Be Concerned

Republican Senator Ron Johnson said he was unafraid of the insurrectionists because they were not members of Black Lives Matter or antifa.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[brycejones]

I disagree. He didn't say what you claimed he did.

You should stop lying. It was straight up racist dog whistling. But we already know that you hear it and respond to it so its totally cool.

 

[dank69]

2A protest exercise?

Atlanta police detain man with six guns, body armor in grocery store | CNN

A man armed with a rifle entered an Atlanta Publix Supermarket Wednesday in Midtown at Atlantic Station, a commercial and residential area in the city, police said.

www.cnn.com

Or .... ???/

Massacre thankfully thwarted by IBS?

 

[Jhhnn]

Imagine that a Syrian dude on the FBI's watchlist with know violent tendencies and mental health issues being able to buy firearms?

You're lying as usual-

Here's what we know about the Boulder, Colorado, mass shooting suspect | CNN

Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa was identified by authorities Tuesday as the gunman who opened fire at a King Soopers grocery store in Colorado, killing 10 people, including a Boulder police officer.

www.cnn.com

 

[Heartbreaker]

Here's what we know about the Boulder, Colorado, mass shooting suspect | CNN

Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa was identified by authorities Tuesday as the gunman who opened fire at a King Soopers grocery store in Colorado, killing 10 people, including a Boulder police officer.

www.cnn.com

A family member with history of paranoia, anger issues, and suspected mental illness, was seen playing with an assault rifle... and no one though that perhaps they should do some kind of intervention?

Sister-in-law says she saw suspect playing with a gun
According to the arrest warrant, a woman identified as the suspect's sister-in-law "stated that (Ahmad Al Aliwi) Alissa was seen playing with a gun she thought looked like a 'machine gun' about 2 days ago. She did not believe the gun looked like the rifles she has seen in old Western movies. . . . Alissa had been talking about having a bullet stuck in the gun and was playing with the gun."

 

[hal2kilo]

2A protest exercise?

Atlanta police detain man with six guns, body armor in grocery store | CNN

A man armed with a rifle entered an Atlanta Publix Supermarket Wednesday in Midtown at Atlantic Station, a commercial and residential area in the city, police said.

www.cnn.com

Or .... ???/

Just showing the world that he is indeed not a cuck.