Mass shooting Boulder Colorado

[Jaskalas]

O RLY?

Then do tell - why is the homicide rate at a low point since that directly negates your phrase of "more guns, more death" ?

This is a contest for solutions. And your solution of "more guns" is of little benefit, but of huge consequence and detriment. Do you live in an alt-reality where our society is not armed beyond reason, where mass shootings are not a problem as a result? America is an exception for the very reason that your solution fails.

As the Onion so clearly points out, we are the only developed nation with such regular occurrences. You know the reason. Trying to obfuscate the obvious is just your way of lying to us. An armed society like ours is neither polite nor secure. The 2A does nothing but extract an annual death toll from us. Some people are tired of paying the price for that.

 

[cytg111]

O RLY?

Then do tell - why is the homicide rate at a low point since that directly negates your phrase of "more guns, more death" ?

Unless you want to try to spin that we have less guns now - which would be pretty hilarious.


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And your mum is a stone.

 

[HomerJS]

O RLY?

Then do tell - why is the homicide rate at a low point since that directly negates your phrase of "more guns, more death" ?

Unless you want to try to spin that we have less guns now - which would be pretty hilarious.


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Interesting you failed to include gun suicide rates since those deaths EXCEED homicide rates

 

[digiram]

There's too much me me me in our society. Well, it hasn't affected me, so.. who cares. Is it just not sad enough to see these senseless killings continue to occur?

 

[ecogen]

O RLY?

Then do tell - why is the homicide rate at a low point since that directly negates your phrase of "more guns, more death" ?

Unless you want to try to spin that we have less guns now - which would be pretty hilarious.


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"Complex issues are only affected by a single variable"
-some idiot 2021

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This is a contest for solutions. And your solution of "more guns" is of little benefit, but of huge consequence and detriment. Do you live in an alt-reality where our society is not armed beyond reason, where mass shootings are not a problem as a result? America is an exception for the very reason that your solution fails.

As the Onion so clearly points out, we are the only developed nation with such regular occurrences. You know the reason. Trying to obfuscate the obvious is just your way of lying to us. An armed society like ours is neither polite nor secure. The 2A does nothing but extract an annual death toll from us. Some people are tired of paying the price for that.

Got it - so act as if your previous argument didn't exist and divert to useless banter when proven wrong.

 

[dank69]

O RLY?

Then do tell - why is the homicide rate at a low point since that directly negates your phrase of "more guns, more death" ?

Unless you want to try to spin that we have less guns now - which would be pretty hilarious.


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One possibility:

Lead–crime hypothesis - Wikipedia

Viper GTS

Another big factor was the legalization of abortion.

 

[MrSquished]

Conservatives like nobody and his ilk will simply ignore the damning statistics of gun violence in the US vs any other developed country, and in fact many under developed countries, say it has nothing to do with our gun laws or culture, and just close their eyes and ears to reality. They are complicit with the gun deaths in this country. They are literal trash. It's really not more complicated than that.

 

[thilanliyan]

There's too much me me me in our society. Well, it hasn't affected me, so.. who cares. Is it just not sad enough to see these senseless killings continue to occur?

Until it affects several pro-2A politician's family members, nothing will change.

 

[Jaskalas]

Got it - so act as if your previous argument didn't exist and divert to useless banter when proven wrong.

Proven wrong? It would appear that you have an interesting way of lying about everything.

My "previous" argument is my current argument and it is beyond reproach. If banter bothers you so much, then I will reply with data that IS relevant. Do you see anything that stands out? One nation unique beyond all others?

Is the fact that Americans are using the 2A to slaughter our own people something you are proud of?

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html

 

[NWRMidnight]

Interesting you failed to include gun suicide rates since those deaths EXCEED homicide rates

The annual % change in population growth in the US, is pretty much identical to the homicide rate.. It's almost like they are connected. go figure. Something else Someonesmind1's failed to include or understand.

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh, and before you try to argue "but those nations are deadly without gun deaths"
Check the global rate of homocide. Among developed / rich nations. The United States is downright terrible. Can you guess why?

As I first stated. Entire point of a gun is that people die. More guns, more death. As America has proven.

The 2A is a tax on our lives. Some of us are tired of paying it, we value our lives and our safety, more than delusions of grandeur.

 

[MrSquished]

 

[NWRMidnight]

Oh, and before you try to argue "but those nations are deadly without gun deaths"
Check the global rate of homocide. Among developed / rich nations. The United States is downright terrible. Can you guess why?

As I first stated. Entire point of a gun is that people die. More guns, more death. As America has proven.

The 2A is a tax on our lives. Some of us are tired of paying it, we value our lives and our safety, more than delusions of grandeur.

Many of the countries that have higher gun deaths than the US are due to conflicts due to civil wars, regimes, and such causing war type armed conflicts. If you remove those deaths from the count, and they are well below the US in gun deaths. (aka poor countries).

 

[blackangst1]

What states require a real psychological review prior to purchasing a gun?

Like a psych eval? None that I know of.

 

[Zorba]

Like a psych eval? None that I know of.

That is what I was talking about, not sure why you tried to claim it was already done.

 

[blackangst1]

That is what I was talking about, not sure why you tried to claim it was already done.

Ah. I was just pointing out almost all states have laws banning the ownership of firearms under certain mental health conditions, and many do a mental health background check.

 

[HomerJS]

That is what I was talking about, not sure why you tried to claim it was already done.

I heard an interview with a former ATF agent. Only involuntary admission to a hospital shows up in a background check. No other episodes because of HIPPA are included in the background check.

 

[Zorba]

Ah. I was just pointing out almost all states have laws banning the ownership of firearms under certain mental health conditions, and many do a mental health background check.

Yeah, but it only catches people that have already done something to get them in trouble or involuntarily hospitalized.

Need true screening. Obviously it wouldn't be perfect, but it'd probably stop some of these nuts.

 

[HomerJS]

Yeah, but it only catches people that have already done something to get them in trouble or involuntarily hospitalized.

Need true screening. Obviously it wouldn't be perfect, but it'd probably stop some of these nuts.

Not just mentally the ill but people with anger issues should not be issued a gun.

 

[herm0016]

Yeah, but it only catches people that have already done something to get them in trouble or involuntarily hospitalized.

Need true screening. Obviously it wouldn't be perfect, but it'd probably stop some of these nuts.

so we should decide what constitutional rights people are allowed to exercise based on a decision that a government employee makes based not on past actions but on some perceived future "guilt" ?

4th, 5th, 14th, etc...

interesting about HIPPA, had not thought of that angle. I have always advocated for a better background check system. i would support more data feeding into it. maybe part of the reason for less data is the stigma around mental illness. we just need to keep in mind, that all lists need some kind of appeal process included with any list of names the government keeps.

 

[herm0016]

next steps... well, there are a lot of AA people commiting gun crimes ( read arrested for) in Chicago, so we will ban all of them from buying guns at retail.

or every current person that has undergone a background check for an AR-15 is now on the list because we don't like those rifles that work the same as every other semi auto rifle.

or this administration perceives anyone involved with a Antifa or blm or right to life protest to be a danger to the public, thus if they are identified in any way at a protest, they are on the list.

or anyone who is affiliated with a certain political party is a danger, so they are on the list. I am thinking about the time John Brennan said that the Biden admin will " with laser like focus" "root out" "...authoritarians, racists, bigots, and even libertarians" etc...
trying to hit some different possible future administrations. remember, whatever power you find good for your chosen part to wield, will also be used by the party you don't like.

 

[HomerJS]

next steps... well, there are a lot of AA people commiting gun crimes ( read arrested for) in Chicago, so we will ban all of them from buying guns at retail.

or every current person that has undergone a background check for an AR-15 is now on the list because we don't like those rifles that work the same as every other semi auto rifle.

or this administration perceives anyone involved with a Antifa or blm or right to life protest to be a danger to the public, thus if they are identified in any way at a protest, they are on the list.

trying to hit some different possible future administrations. remember, whatever power you find good for your chosen part to wield, will also be used by the party you don't like.

ahhh the slippery slope argument. Why don't you just leap to "they are trying to take all our guns". They said that about Obama for 8 years. Did he ever attempt it?

 

[herm0016]

ahhh the slippery slope argument. Why don't you just leap to "they are trying to take all our guns". They said that about Obama for 8 years. Did he ever attempt it?

the government has a long history of abusing its power. how do we protect against it?

I typed more, but trying to stay more on topic. trying to keep politics out of it a bit, and focus on constitutional law and government in general.

 

[dank69]

the government has a long history of abusing its power. how do we protect against it?

I typed more, but trying to stay more on topic. trying to keep politics out of it a bit, and focus on constitutional law and government in general.

The first step to protecting against abuse of power is to focus on fighting actual abuses of power rather than theoretical abuses of power.