Mass shooting Boulder Colorado

[ch33zw1z]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1374405478336266250

The GOP has successfully taken no action. That's been their plan all along, mission accomplished.

 

[MrSquished]

You just keep proving over and over and over and over again that you clearly haven't traveled for shit. You haven't been anywhere outside of your bubble.

Cherry on top - you're living proof that our education system has failed.

Tell me what other developed nation has anywhere near our amount of mass shootings. It's not even close. Good luck.

 

[herm0016]

But does it work? What is the process and who responds? If yes and this behavior was going on few more than a few days his family should be ashamed of themselves.

When I have time I will look it up. That time of law doesn't sounds like it provides help for the mentally ill person.

mental help through that law? no. i'm not sure about Arvada, but in boulder county there are ways for people to get help though. it will be interesting to see if this person has had leo or county hhs exposure in the past.

i dont know specifics, but i do know the law has been used for domestic violence cases.


off topic, i hate people who post links to a tweet. just past the GD tweet. i'm not going to click your link.

 

[fskimospy]

You just keep proving over and over and over and over again that you clearly haven't traveled for shit. You haven't been anywhere outside of your bubble.

Cherry on top - you're living proof that our education system has failed.

Uhmm, he’s right. As far as developed countries go mass shootings happen far, far more often in America than anywhere else.

If you have actually traveled extensively and somehow believe this I imagine you never left the club med.

 

[MrSquished]

Uhmm, he’s right. As far as developed countries go mass shootings happen far, far more often in America than anywhere else.

If you have actually traveled extensively and somehow believe this I imagine you never left the club med.

He is clueless. There are other non-developed countries that do have a lot of gun homicides, and that's not what we are talking about - but even then when it comes to random mass shootings, we are still competitive with them.

But in the developed world, we are the mass shooting leaders and it's not even close.

 

[Vic]

Yeah I mean - it's not at all possible (or something of a similar vein less than a week ago) to occur where how you are raised and brought up - say - by your parents that raise you or the church that teaches you your beliefs can have detrimental effects.

No.... No not at all! It's the American way of life that taught him to go in and go pew pew pew on random people

What deficiencies, specifically, do you believe occurred in the perp's upbringing that led to yesterday's 'detrimental effect?'

 

[pmv]

Yeah I mean - it's not at all possible (or something of a similar vein less than a week ago) to occur where how you are raised and brought up - say - by your parents that raise you or the church that teaches you your beliefs can have detrimental effects.

No.... No not at all! It's the American way of life that taught him to go in and go pew pew pew on random people

Yup. Fetishishing firearms and seeing violence as a solution to your problems is as American as Apple Pie. Seems to explain a lot of US foreign policy, for one thing.

Had this guy come to the US from Syria as an adult, or even a late-teen, I'd absolutely have said you couldn't blame US culture and conditions for his behaviour. People from war-torn places like Syria can have pre-existing trauma. It's why I think people shouldn't be too starry-eyed about the challenges of taking in refugees - it's morally the right thing to do, but there's no point pretending it's an entirely cost-free or painless process, where they'll always all be perfectly-well-adjusted doctors and engineers. Some are going to have 'issues' and you have to be prepared to address that. In this case it seems unlikely he'd have developed an enthusiasm for shooting people by the age of three.

 

[herm0016]

as a bit of an aside, childhood trauma is for life, even trauma the mother endures while pregnant effects the child. it is totally possible that unresolved childhood trauma led fairly directly and ultimately to real mental illness as an adult.

a few years caring for foster kids will prove this out every time.

 

[Muse]

Unreal how close that guy stayed to the building after hearing more gunshots, at what point does self preservation kick in???

He wasn't that worried. He has a Youtube channel, is used to chasing ambulances, cop conference scenes, cozying up to stories. He wasn't going to let this chance get away, he live streamed it to his channel and after a while he had 32,000 people tuned in. He's pretty cool, I loved how he refused to let the cops intimidate him. He actually was flipping them off, yelling at him. "You'll have to arrest me, I'm not leaving."

 

[brianmanahan]

there are several ways we can prevent this type of thing from happening

 

[Muse]

Guy that recorded this is a REAL A-HOLE.
He was actually enjoying this.....
More 5 year olds, go figure.
No doubt voted for Trump AND involved in the insurrection.

No, he's actually a pretty cool guy. Did you watch it? I watched all but the last 1/2 hour of the 3.25 hour video. He's way cooler than anybody he talked to. I concluded that most of the people in Boulder are assholes. But he's pretty cool. If he's smart, he'll move, though.

 

[Muse]

Actually, kind of intriguging that there are so many mass-shootings where the majority of the victims don't die. Suggests most spree-shooters aren't all that determined that people should actually die. That they are indifferent to whether their shots are sufficiently targetted to be fatal or not. Which is both curious in itself - they want to shoot people but are prepared to leave it up to the Gods whether the victims die or not? - and also makes one wonder about the exceptions where the shooter actually does apparently specifically want to kill. Are those guys disturbed in a different way, or just using more deadly kind of firearms, or just better shots?

Cops are trained to shoot to kill. Most people with guns have never gotten such professional guidance.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Cops are trained to shoot to kill. Most people with guns have never gotten such professional guidance.

Obligatory "cops are trained to shot until the threat has stopped"
Gee, I wonder what that really translates to in practical terms...

Figured I'd get that in before anyone else puts it forth as a serious defense

 

[Meghan54]

Obligatory "cops are trained to shot until the threat has stopped"
Gee, I wonder what that really translates to in practical terms...

9 hits out of 76 shots? (2019 California)

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

there are several ways we can prevent this type of thing from happening

As someone here that is actually capable of a conversation past that of the skills of a 6th grader, I'm curious on your thoughts as to what that is?

I am especially curious at it relates to mass shooters with no prior convictions (thus can pass background checks), and "waiting periods" are a non-issue as well. Most of those are things that the majority of the populace agrees are acceptable restrictions we should put in place.

 

[Zorba]

As someone here that is actually capable of a conversation past that of the skills of a 6th grader, I'm curious on your thoughts as to what that is?

I am especially curious at it relates to mass shooters with no prior convictions (thus can pass background checks), and "waiting periods" are a non-issue as well. Most of those are things that the majority of the populace agrees are acceptable restrictions we should put in place.

Background checks that actually require a proof of fitness would be a start.

Requirements to properly secure guns, including not being able to house guns and people with mental illness in the same house.

Banning semi-auto guns would also go a very long way in limiting the damage caused.

 

[MrSquished]

As someone here that is actually capable of a conversation past that of the skills of a 6th grader, I'm curious on your thoughts as to what that is?

I am especially curious at it relates to mass shooters with no prior convictions (thus can pass background checks), and "waiting periods" are a non-issue as well. Most of those are things that the majority of the populace agrees are acceptable restrictions we should put in place.

You are wrong about these things as well. I'm still waiting for you to post other developed nations that have anywhere near what we have in regards to mass shootings. Google away.

Waiting periods could have possibly prevented one or both of our latest shootings. I mean we'll never know but the timing of these two most recent shootings, without even looking into others, are within waiting period times.

The Georgia mass shooter bought his gun the same day. This guy bought his AR 6 days ago. Some states have waiting periods of 7-10 days. Who knows if one or both of these guys would have cooled off with more time before acquiring a weapon. Statistics do show that waiting periods can help as a notable percentage of both suicides and gun violence crimes happen shortly after buying a gun.

Also, an assault weapons ban may have prevented this Colorado shooting - again we'll never know. But there is also a reasonable chance if he wasn't armed with a semi-automatic assault style rifle would he have felt as empowered to go on a mass shooting spree? While there are exceptions, AR-15 style rifles are the weapon of choice for the biggest mass shootings by a looong shot. It's easy to ruminate on the psychological reasons of this - if a handgun feels empowering, imagine what a gun that looks like the same guns soldiers use in war must feel like. It's almost definitely an element.

Lastly, there are a lot more mass shootings than the ones that make the national news. Often they have just a few victims, of which maybe only one dies, but the others are seriously injured. We can't just measure gun violence by deaths, survivable gunshot wounds are often critical and debilitating. Those are just so common they get lost in the news, because America is the most gun violence happy developed nation by a mile. Universal background checks could possibly prevent some of those shootings, more info would be needed on these specific shootings.

 

[pmv]

as a bit of an aside, childhood trauma is for life, even trauma the mother endures while pregnant effects the child. it is totally possible that unresolved childhood trauma led fairly directly and ultimately to real mental illness as an adult.

a few years caring for foster kids will prove this out every time.

Well absolutely, that's probably part of the way in which a class-system reproduces itself. It's why 'equality of opportunity' is a bit of a chimera, unless you also make an attempt at 'equality of outcome'. One generation's outcomes determines the next's opportunities.

Nevertheless, if he's been in the US since the age of three, that's plenty of opportunity for the wider society to either help or exacerbate any issues he had. By this point he's the US's responsibility. It would be very different if he'd just arrived here a month ago.

Also, as far as trauma (and stress) endured by the mother is concerned, as I understand it the main issue there is that it influences the subsequent lifelong physical health of the child, rather than psychological.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Background checks that actually require a proof of fitness would be a start.

"Proof of fitness"? Wut? The entire point of a gun is an equalizer. I'm sorry that this is above your IQ level.

Requirements to properly secure guns, including not being able to house guns and people with mental illness in the same house.

Wut? As in keep them in a safe? Were talking about mass-shootings not kid finding a gun and shooting himself.

Mental illness also isn't some kind of magical finding elixir. Theorizing that someone wants to shoot stuff up is going to see a doctor is also quite laughable.

Banning semi-auto guns would also go a very long way in limiting the damage caused.

School shooter with the most kills was done with handguns - so try again idiot.

 

[nakedfrog]

School shooter with the most kills was done with handguns - so try again idiot.

Semi-auto handguns are a thing, you babbling moron.

 

[Fenixgoon]

As someone here that is actually capable of a conversation past that of the skills of a 6th grader, I'm curious on your thoughts as to what that is?

I am especially curious at it relates to mass shooters with no prior convictions (thus can pass background checks), and "waiting periods" are a non-issue as well. Most of those are things that the majority of the populace agrees are acceptable restrictions we should put in place.

One of those ways would simply be a repeal of the 2nd amendment. Now, i doubt that will happen. But it's not particularly complicated.

"Proof of fitness"? Wut? The entire point of a gun is an equalizer. I'm sorry that this is above your IQ level.



Wut? As in keep them in a safe? Were talking about mass-shootings not kid finding a gun and shooting himself.

Mental illness also isn't some kind of magical finding elixir. Theorizing that someone wants to shoot stuff up is going to see a doctor is also quite laughable.




School shooter with the most kills was done with handguns - so try again idiot.

Reading is not your strong suit, is it?
He said semi-auto guns, not rifles or assault weapons.
And also, you're wrong. The deadliest mass shooting was done with a semi-auto rifle (along with other weapons)

Mass shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Also, I hate that I'm even looking this shit up to debate this point in the first place.

 

[TheVrolok]

Religion of peace, yadda yadda - only 1 bad guy... something something

Wait, is he a practicing Muslim? Did he do this for religious purposes? Or are you just clueless as usual?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Cat's out of the bag in those areas, but what you can do is seriously ramp up penalties. Some states add on two years for doing a crime with a gun. Make that ten years, automatic, regardless of conviction or penalties on any other charges.

Tack on high riders for homeowner's and liability insurance. Require owners to register their armories as hazardous materials sites and get annual fire inspections.

Lots of other things could be done ....


.... HOWEVER ....


.... none of that would stop the dirtbags like these last two.


Also, how many other people have been killed by guns this past week? I'll bet it's considerably higher than the combined toll of these two incidents.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Oh joy

Supreme Court to discuss case that could expand Second Amendment rights

When Supreme Court justices meet behind closed doors Friday, a conference that comes three days after the country's latest mass shooting, they are scheduled to discuss whether to add a blockbuster issue to the docket for next term: the scope of the Second Amendment.

www.cnn.com

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

One of those ways would simply be a repeal of the 2nd amendment. Now, i doubt that will happen. But it's not particularly complicated.

Reading is not your strong suit, is it?
He said semi-auto guns, not rifles or assault weapons.
And also, you're wrong. The deadliest mass shooting was done with a semi-auto rifle (along with other weapons)

Mass shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Also, I hate that I'm even looking this shit up to debate this point in the first place.

I said "school shooting" - but I know reading comprehension isn't the strong suit of this forum so I shouldn't expect 5th grade-level reading comprehension.