Marriage Equality Warriors: "Not without Polygamy"

[MrPickins]

Actually, as long as the parties agree and are of legal consenting age, they should be allowed to.

That's "marriage equality". Why should marriage be limited only to couples?

Legal issues aside, I tend to agree.

I wasn't voicing an opinion pro or con, just giving my two cents on why the precedent is not applicable to polygamy.

 

[Retro Rob]

Legal issues aside, I tend to agree.

I wasn't voicing an opinion pro or con, just giving my two cents on why the precedent is not applicable to polygamy.

Gotcha!

But legal issues can be worked out, they've always been. The Constitution is a living document, open to change and interpretation.

 

[glenn1]

Legal issues aside, I tend to agree.

I wasn't voicing an opinion pro or con, just giving my two cents on why the precedent is not applicable to polygamy.

We fucked up allowing government to be the arbiter for the definition of marriage in the first place. They should have no more say in who can marry than what religion someone should follow. The appropriate government role would be to simply document for public records when people claim to be married without needing to approve of the marriage partners and extract a "marriage license" fee for the privilege. But that ship has already sailed.

 

[MrPickins]

Gotcha!

But legal issues can be worked out, they've always been. The Constitution is a living document, open to change and interpretation.

Gotcha?

You really shouldn't try so hard...

I've expressed this exact opinion on this forum multiple times. In theory, I have no issue with polygamy/polyandry. In practice however, it will require a fairly substantial reworking of our current laws.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Toaster-ghazi?

Swinger Panels?

 

[Retro Rob]

Gotcha?

You really shouldn't try so hard...

I've expressed this exact opinion on this forum multiple times. In theory, I have no issue with polygamy/polyandry. In practice however, it will require a fairly substantial reworking of our current laws.

NO, "gotcha" as far as "I got your point".

lol

 

[Jhhnn]

And how much state or church sanctioned gay marriage has there been in the west except in very recent times? it is, pretty much world-wide, a very recent thing. Polygamy is not. It's been around for a very long time and remains legal in dozens of countries.

Like I said, you have to reach back to ancient history to find it in the West. It was rejected by early Christians because in older societies it treated women as things, possessions of the wealthy & powerful in relationships devoid of the love & sharing Early Christians believed in very strongly. By the time Mormons resurrected it, polygamy hadn't been a part of western culture for many hundreds of years, perhaps a millennia.

It's not that it never was tried but rather rejected after millennia of implementation. That can't be said for gay marriage.

 

[MrPickins]

We fucked up allowing government to be the arbiter for the definition of marriage in the first place. They should have no more say in who can marry than what religion someone should follow. The appropriate government role would be to simply document for public records when people claim to be married without needing to approve of the marriage partners and extract a "marriage license" fee for the privilege. But that ship has already sailed.

I tend to agree, but as you said, that ship has sailed.

NO, "gotcha" as far as "I got your point".

lol

My mistake. Chalk it up to the text based medium.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Wait, is this really a complaint from the religious folks? Because the Bible had polygamy.

 

[pcgeek11]

But seriously. Why would any sane man want more than one wife?

 

[justoh]

 

[glenn1]

But seriously. Why would any sane man want more than one wife to have a husband?

You might say that as a joke but it's the same thing others joked about 20 years ago with another group as shown above. It was misanthropic and and showed no empathy to a disfavored group then, and it is the same now when applied to a different group. Saying plural marriage doesn't raise "equal protection" concerns is a shitty justification for picking and choosing who the government allows to get married with the state's blessing when in reality it's none of their damn business (except as I said earlier apart from public record considerations).

 

[Jhhnn]

Wait, is this really a complaint from the religious folks? Because the Bible had polygamy.

Nah. When people feel like the sky is falling, they want everybody else to feel the same way.

See! See! Your sky is falling too, Asshole! Look at what you've done! OMFG!

 

[CitizenKain]

I guess it will be fun when the fundie Mormons try this. Those are some fucked up people, even for Mormons.

 

[WHAMPOM]

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/polygamous-montana-trio-applies-wedding-license-193205283.html



Let the dominos being to fall - time for incest next!

Still getting your jollies by jacking off P&N?

 

[shira]

Although - in principle - I'm all for polygamy, there are highly significant problems.

Tax treatment: How should tax brackets be defined for polygamous marriages? What exclusions for AMT and estate taxes should apply? What income thresholds for various tax rules should apply? What "standard" deduction applies? What are the inheritance rules? What is the federal poverty level for polygamous families. What is the "state of residency" and what rules apply if the marital partners live in 25 different states? And a host of other questions made exceedingly complex when marriages can consist of 2, 3, or 10,000 individuals. Anyone who claims such problems are easily solvable is being either dishonest or in denial.

Obamacare: How would the rules for Obamacare be affected by polygamous marriages?. Again, there are HUGE problems.

Company perquisites: How do companies handle perks when an employee may have 100 spouses and 200 children?

What are the divorce laws for polygamous marriges? What is "community property?" Who gets custody of children?

What about bankruptcy laws? Credit ratings? Joint bank accounts? Who gets to decide when medical treatment should be withheld?

Can a person be a spouse in more than one polygamous marriage? What about immigration laws? What about incest laws?

Plus, think of the AMPLE opportunities for fraud in polygamous marriages.

I could probably come up with many, many more complications caused by polygamy. Complications which are completely absent with two-person marriages. And ALL of these complications would need to have clear-cut solutions before polygamy could be implemented.

 

[crashtech]

:thumbsup:



For SSM, it's not even about protecting a class of citizen, it's about gender equality.

Previously men were not universally allowed to marry men, that right already being afforded to women, and the same in the other direction. Now there is no distinction based on gender, and both sexes are afforded the exact same rights.

As it stands with polygamy, nobody has the right to marry more than one person, so no group is currently being afforded a right that the other is not. This is why the latest precedent is not directly applicable.

So today we are drawing the line at gender equality, and refusing to consider the rights of any group that has the preference to engage in plural marriage. That's fine with me, because I don't wear my ideologue hat anymore, but as an intellectual exercise it is rather interesting and slightly ironic to witness the ad hoc justifications for denying rights to certain people coming from the mouths of those who probably consider themselves champions of all sorts of special rights.

In all honesty, I can't really think of a rational justification to prevent consenting adults from engaging in plural marriages, as long as the rights of everyone involved are otherwise respected. There are some possible societal implications, since most plural arrangements end up leaving many males out of the procreation game, possibly fueling unrest.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

But seriously. Why would any sane man want more than one wife?

You haven't read or watched anything about multiple wives? I'll give a summary
Guy needs a good job great job not required however it does have an impact on the number of hot wives one may have. More on this later.
Wives are brought in to fill a gap in the household you need two worker wives to earn money, one or two mother wives to bear and care for children, one house keeper wife to be the shopper and cleaner then one or two young hot wives. The hot wife number is dependant on household income remember to choose good worker wives because their earning count to the household total.

 

[Pulsar]

Actually, as long as the parties agree and are of legal consenting age, they should be allowed to.

That's "marriage equality". Why should marriage be limited only to couples?

Eventually, we'll get to that point.

Somewhere in there, hopefully the whole lexicon of 'marriage' gets ripped right out of the lawbooks and replaced with legal union. Marriage should have stayed in the bigotted hateful land of religion where it belonged.

Don't worry. You'll be dragged kicking and screaming the whole way. And we'll smile about it.

I haven't seen your partner in hate nehalem lately.

 

[Jhhnn]

None of that mattered in the practice of polygamy way back when, Shira. The men decided & the women were stuck with it. It wasn't quite like slavery, but kinda-sorta, yeh.

 

[JD50]

So today we are drawing the line at gender equality, and refusing to consider the rights of any group that has the preference to engage in plural marriage. That's fine with me, because I don't wear my ideologue hat anymore, but as an intellectual exercise it is rather interesting and slightly ironic to witness the ad hoc justifications for denying rights to certain people coming from the mouths of those who probably consider themselves champions of all sorts of special rights.

In all honesty, I can't really think of a rational justification to prevent consenting adults from engaging in plural marriages, as long as the rights of everyone involved are otherwise respected. There are some possible societal implications, since most plural arrangements end up leaving many males out of the procreation game, possibly fueling unrest.

Except most people in this thread have said that they really don't have a problem with it. Were you talking about some other thread or forum?

 

[pcgeek11]

You might say that as a joke but it's the same thing others joked about 20 years ago with another group as shown above. It was misanthropic and and showed no empathy to a disfavored group then, and it is the same now when applied to a different group. Saying plural marriage doesn't raise "equal protection" concerns is a shitty justification for picking and choosing who the government allows to get married with the state's blessing when in reality it's none of their damn business (except as I said earlier apart from public record considerations).

That wasn't a joke. I do not understand why anyone would want more than one wife.

 

[pcgeek11]

You haven't read or watched anything about multiple wives? I'll give a summary
Guy needs a good job great job not required however it does have an impact on the number of hot wives one may have. More on this later.
Wives are brought in to fill a gap in the household you need two worker wives to earn money, one or two mother wives to bear and care for children, one house keeper wife to be the shopper and cleaner then one or two young hot wives. The hot wife number is dependant on household income remember to choose good worker wives because their earning count to the household total.

Fantasy at best. In the end your life would be hell on earth, at best.

 

[Jhhnn]

You haven't read or watched anything about multiple wives? I'll give a summary
Guy needs a good job great job not required however it does have an impact on the number of hot wives one may have. More on this later.
Wives are brought in to fill a gap in the household you need two worker wives to earn money, one or two mother wives to bear and care for children, one house keeper wife to be the shopper and cleaner then one or two young hot wives. The hot wife number is dependant on household income remember to choose good worker wives because their earning count to the household total.

Not to mention that "Celestial wives" are legally single mothers & therefore eligible for assistance programs. They're married off young, too, very young. There ain't shit fer jobs in their isolated communities along the Arizona/Utah border, anyway, so they export surplus young men.

 

[zephyrprime]

In what way does polygamy harm your marriage?

It reduces my chances of finding a female partner if some men have multiple partners.