Marriage Equality Warriors: "Not without Polygamy"

[OutHouse]

That's because calling a spade a spade is an easy thing to do. Polygamy is a stupid idea that will never work because its impractical. Its a worse idea than legal prostitution.

The only way the fruitcakes make any headway these days is through the courts. But this time even the supremes would agree that polygamy has no place in America.

hatters got to hate.

 

[thraashman]

hatters got to hate.

Why would someone who makes hats or is possibly a hat enthusiast have to hate?

 

[OutHouse]

Why would someone who makes hats or is possibly a hat enthusiast have to hate?

its my new slang. embrace it or be gone.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Why would someone who makes hats or is possibly a hat enthusiast have to hate?

A mad hatter.

 

[Cozarkian]

You're still arguing that married people can't get married. Obviously they can.

You are still engaged in circular reasoning by using the discriminatory limitation on marriage to argue the limitation is non-discriminatory.

Let's rewrite my hypothetical law: Persons with adopted children can't adopt another child. The above law discriminates against adoptive parents. You can't ignore the discrimination by defining adoptive parent as "one parent one child" and then arguing adoptive parents are already adoptive parents.

 

[JD50]

You are still engaged in circular reasoning by using the discriminatory limitation on marriage to argue the limitation is non-discriminatory.

Let's rewrite my hypothetical law: Persons with adopted children can't adopt another child. The above law discriminates against adoptive parents. You can't ignore the discrimination by defining adoptive parent as "one parent one child" and then arguing adoptive parents are already adoptive parents.

A law that limits adoptions to 1 does not discriminate against a specific group since it would be applied equally to everyone. No one could adopt more than one child, just like no one can currently marry more than one person. What's interesting about this analogy is that I'm pretty sure that they will take into account how many children you currently have when you try to adopt another child.

 

[JD50]

If a store has a sale and their sale policy is "one per customer", do you think that is some kind of discrimination? You have a very strange way of looking at things and I don't think you're going to find very many people that agree with you.

 

[MongGrel]

I should call this Felix's law. When leftists loose an argument they pull the bigot card, as if its some sort of magical retort to anything.

You seem not qualified to even try to make a personal law.

You can retain it in your own mind I suppose.

 

[Cozarkian]

A law that limits adoptions to 1 does not discriminate against a specific group since it would be applied equally to everyone. No one could adopt more than one child, just like no one can currently marry more than one person. What's interesting about this analogy is that I'm pretty sure that they will take into account how many children you currently have when you try to adopt another child.

Adoption is a legal set of rights and obligations. Let's pick two random people. To determine whether adoption laws discriminate, the question is "Can person A adopt person B?" With my proposed law, controlling for all other requirements and qualifications, the answer would be "Yes" if person A has not already adopted another person and "No" if person A has. Based upon this analysis, we can determine that adoption laws treat persons differently based upon whether they have previously adopted someone. That is discrimination.

People are far too afraid to admit the existence of discrimination. Discrimination is not inherently evil and it is not, by itself, make laws unconstitutional. As you noted, adoption laws already permit persons to take into consideration their prior adoption history. Since the status of being an adoptive parent is not protected, the government only needs a rational basis to engage in this type of discrimination. It is fairly obvious that one's adoption history is a relevant factor in determining one's ability to fulfill the obligations of an adoptive parent.

 

[werepossum]

Adoption is a legal set of rights and obligations. Let's pick to random people. To determine whether adoption laws discriminate, the question is "Can person A adopt person B?" With my proposed law, controlling for all other requirements and qualifications, the answer would be "Yes" if person A has not already adopted another person and "No" if person A has. Based upon this analysis, we can determine that adoption laws treat persons differently based upon whether they have previously adopted someone. That is discrimination.

People are far too afraid to admit the existence of discrimination. Discrimination is not inherently evil and it is not, by itself, make laws unconstitutional. As you noted, adoption laws already permit persons to take into consideration their prior adoption history. Since the status of being an adoptive parent is not protected, the government only needs a rational basis to engage in this type of discrimination. It is fairly obvious that one's adoption history is a relevant factor in determining one's ability to fulfill the obligations of an adoptive parent.

This is true. Discrimination is healthy, smart and useful. It's unreasonable discrimination that is unhealthy, stupid and evil. There is a huge difference between not hiring a day care worker because he's black and not hiring him because he's a convicted child molester.

 

[Pulsar]

That's because calling a spade a spade is an easy thing to do. Polygamy is a stupid idea that will never work because its impractical. Its a worse idea than legal prostitution.

The only way the fruitcakes make any headway these days is through the courts. But this time even the supremes would agree that polygamy has no place in America.

I love guys with your attitude. "That'll never work." Yet numerous (loving) families already make it work. Yeah, you'll find actual fruitcakes, but I'll find you an equal amount of 1 man 1 woman relationships that have fruitcakes involved too.

 

[lopri]

While I do not agree with FelixDeCat's mannerism in the forum but I agree with him that prostitution as a vocation is a dead end. After all it is difficult to find a 50-year old prostitute.

 

[zinfamous]

While I do not agree with FelixDeCat's mannerism in the forum but I agree with him that prostitution as a vocation is a dead end. After all it is difficult to find a 50-year old prostitute.

vocation and career are not the same thing. (Are they? I think of vocation = job.)

FDK seems to forget that his BFF Jesus hung out with all sorts of prostitutes. In fact, they were the very first Christians.

 

[dank69]

While I do not agree with FelixDeCat's mannerism in the forum but I agree with him that prostitution as a vocation is a dead end. After all it is difficult to find a 50-year old prostitute.

Why can't a prostitute move up to management? Maybe someday own her own brothel?

When you think about it, Felix couldn't fail any harder with that point. Not only is prostitution not a dead end job, even if it were, that's still not justification for making it illegal.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Why can't a prostitute move up to management? Maybe someday own her own brothel?

When you think about it, Felix couldn't fail any harder with that point. Not only is prostitution not a dead end job, even if it were, that's still not justification for making it illegal.

It's a perfect justification. We should also criminalize working in fast food, door greeters at Wal-Mart, janitorial services... really any minimum wage job that doesn't offer much in the way of growth opportunity. Because anything not worth doing should be illegal, apparently.

 

[Spungo]

Let the dominos being to fall - time for incest next!

Might as well. It's not like laws prevent incest from happening. What's really weird is that incest was illegal for commoners, but incest was rampant among royals. WW1 was basically a war between relatives. The kaiser even referred to tsar Nicholas II as "cousin Nicky."

A lot of the arguments against legalizing incest are invalid. It leads to birth defects - this is absolutely true, but there's no law against creating really fucked up kids. My family has a history of bipolar disorder, but nobody has been arrested for having kids. I'm choosing not to have kids because I want this to stop. It's really a terrible condition that nobody deserves, but I retain the legal right to have kids and pass it on. We don't do forced sterilization of mentally retarded people (anymore), so it seems logically inconsistent to prevent hillbillies from fucking each other.

Why can't a prostitute move up to management? Maybe someday own her own brothel?

The higher end ones already do. Very similar to engineers, plumbers, or other skilled professions, many professional prostitutes are self-employed. The more motivated ones can set up their own escort services and hire employees. Porn works like this too. Some of the more motivated porn stars set up their own business and employ other porn stars.

 

[werepossum]

While I do not agree with FelixDeCat's mannerism in the forum but I agree with him that prostitution as a vocation is a dead end. After all it is difficult to find a 50-year old prostitute.

I dunno, every time I see them busted (no pun intended) on the local news they look like 50 might be the minimum starting age. lol

It always amazes me to see the women busted locally for prostitution, including one mother-and-daughter team that collectively must be a hundred years old and others that look not only like they likely have an STD but in fact like they highly likely have EVERY STD. Almost uniformly they are women that I would not only never pay to have sex with, but would never even accept money to have sex with. So how the hell do these women make a living?

 

[SMOGZINN]

I dunno, every time I see them busted (no pun intended) on the local news they look like 50 might be the minimum starting age. lol

It always amazes me to see the women busted locally for prostitution, including one mother-and-daughter team that collectively must be a hundred years old and others that look not only like they likely have an STD but in fact like they highly likely have EVERY STD. Almost uniformly they are women that I would not only never pay to have sex with, but would never even accept money to have sex with. So how the hell do these women make a living?

No that is just what a 24 year old looks like after 4 years of Meth addiction. Really, it is a terrible drug.

 

[sandorski]

While I do not agree with FelixDeCat's mannerism in the forum but I agree with him that prostitution as a vocation is a dead end. After all it is difficult to find a 50-year old prostitute.

....or Pro Sports Player, Super Model, Cheerleader,...etc

 

[werepossum]

No that is just what a 24 year old looks like after 4 years of Meth addiction. Really, it is a terrible drug.

Probably, although the mother and daughter team were 27 and 56. http://accesswdun.com/article/2014/11/281596

I see that while this was on Chattanooga local news, it actually happened in Flowery Branch (Nattagasska), GA which is just northeast of Atlanta. By pure coincidence, this is the site of the Atlanta Falcons' spring training camp.

 

[werepossum]

....or Pro Sports Player, Super Model, Cheerleader,...etc

I'm betting the Seniors' Circuit in professional golf is more lucrative than the Seniors' Circuit in prostitution. Especially with the difference in endorsement fees.

 

[bozack]

let the media demonizing plural marriage begin....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/mind-and-soul/i-escaped-a-polygamist-cult/ar-AAd94hQ

 

[Victorian Gray]

let the media demonizing plural marriage begin....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/mind-and-soul/i-escaped-a-polygamist-cult/ar-AAd94hQ

Begin? The media?

"Republican President Rutherford B. Hayes stated, December 1, 1879, “Polygamy is condemned as a crime by the laws of all civilized communities throughout the world.”

Republican President Chester Arthur stated, December 6, 1881, “For many years the Executive…has urged the necessity of stringent legislation for the suppression of polygamy…this odious crime, so revolting to the moral and religious sense of Christendom.”

Supreme Court Justice Stephen Field, appointed by Republican President Abraham Lincoln, rendered the Davis v. Beason, 1890, decision:
Bigamy and polygamy are crimes by the laws of all civilized and Christian countries…


They…destroy the purity of the MARRIAGE relation…degrade woman and debase man…


There have been sects which denied…there should be any marriage tie, and advocated promiscuous intercourse of the sexes as prompted by the passions of its members…

Should a sect of either of these kinds ever find its way into this country, swift punishment would follow"

http://www.westernjournalism.com/today-in-history-polygamy-in-america/

 

[zinfamous]

While I do not agree with FelixDeCat's mannerism in the forum but I agree with him that prostitution as a vocation is a dead end. After all it is difficult to find a 50-year old prostitute.

....or Pro Sports Player, Super Model, Cheerleader,...etc

what about internet troll and youtube morality crusader?

 

[zinfamous]

I'm betting the Seniors' Circuit in professional golf is more lucrative than the Seniors' Circuit in prostitution. Especially with the difference in endorsement fees.

If the internet has taught us one thing, it is that there is a fetish for everything.