Marijuana Poisoning Children in Record Numbers, Study Shows.

[ch33zw1z]

Tell me, what exactly would it take for it to be determined for you?

the same as anything. proof. You saying that it was your personal experience, in an uncontrolled environment, isn't that. It's your word for it. I've known quite a few legitimate chronic users (not sure what you qualify chronic user as, but most were all-day every-day types with years in), none reported anything like you did. They weren't in a controlled environment either, so what do they know.

edit: Just to be clear, I do not doubt the mental dependancy to habits...I do doubt the physical dependancy to MJ. To reference the OP, I doubt MJ poisoning as well. The media loves to sensationalize anything possible to get viewers.

 

[HeXen]

Back when I quit, the dependancy was more emotion related. Not having it made me in bad mood.

 

[yhelothar]

the same as anything. proof. You saying that it was your personal experience, in an uncontrolled environment, isn't that. It's your word for it. I've known quite a few legitimate chronic users (not sure what you qualify chronic user as, but most were all-day every-day types with years in), none reported anything like you did. They weren't in a controlled environment either, so what do they know.

edit: Just to be clear, I do not doubt the mental dependancy to habits...I do doubt the physical dependancy to MJ. To reference the OP, I doubt MJ poisoning as well. The media loves to sensationalize anything possible to get viewers.

If you're looking for "proof," you won't find it. There's no such thing as proof in the realm of science. But there's evidence.

Here's a fresh one that came out last year after an agent was recently developed that allowed CB1 receptors to be imaged in a live human subject. Long term chronic smokers had their CB1 receptors imaged in comparison to nonsmokers and was found that these receptors were downregulated by 20%.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3223558/

I would very much like to see evidence that the CB1 receptor doesn't follow the same homeostatic principles as other neurotransmitter receptors if you believe there's no physical dependency aspect of marijuana.

 

[lotus503]

If you're looking for "proof," you won't find it. There's no such thing as proof in the realm of science. But there's evidence.

Here's a fresh one that came out last year after an agent was recently developed that allowed CB1 receptors to be imaged in a live human subject. Long term chronic smokers had their CB1 receptors imaged in comparison to nonsmokers and was found that these receptors were downregulated by 20%.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3223558/

I would very much like to see evidence that the CB1 receptor doesn't follow the same homeostatic principles as other neurotransmitter receptors if you believe there's no physical dependency aspect of marijuana.

What's needed is evidence that CB1 receptor does follow the same homeostatic principles as other neurotransmitters if you want to believe mj causes psychical dependency.

Your making the case it does, you need evidence. Sizable long term in depth studies.

 

[hans030390]

I've been smoking daily for around 3 years now. Whether or not marijuana's usage can develop into a physical addiction, it certainly can become habitual. And if it can be physically addictive, I can only assume that it's relatively minor based on my experience and experiences from those that I know personally.

I'd label it more as a mental addiction, but one that would not normally develop into a debilitating one. Of course, even the internet can be mentally addicting. Nearly anything can be. I became surprisingly bored, restless, and upset when I didn't have the internet installed at my apartment for a week.

Marijuana is sort of like that for me. It's not necessary by any means, but I've grown used to it and quite like it. The same can be said for many non-necessities in my life. When I don't have it for a while, it seems a tad bit harder to focus, it takes me longer to fall asleep, and I might develop a headache. This usually subsides within no more than 2-4 days. Compare that to caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, or even OTC and prescription medications.

For me, that's hardly any cause for concern. Couple that with the fact that it has helped me become a better person over the years, has helped with the slight bit of anxiety I have, helps me fall asleep at night (would normally take 30mins at least before), AND is downright mentally fascinating and fun for me, I see it as much more of a positive aspect of my life than anything else. I try to consume it in non-smoking methods for health reasons.

As for it being potentially dangerous, I don't think children and those with developing brains should use it. A teenager trying it out a few times probably has nothing to worry about. I do think those with pre-existing conditions, especially those related to the heart, should be cautious. I know marijuana can increase one's heart rate and interacts poorly with some medications.

While I do think marijuana is fairly safe, I don't buy that it's impossible to overdose on. I've had occasions where I've had too much. Such situations can actually be quite terrifying and convince the user that they're going to die. I'm not even talking huge quantities...even a large bowl's worth of good material can put you over the edge. While I think the vast majority of people that consume too much will end up being perfectly fine, I could see it causing problems for some (see what I mentioned above).

 

[Pikaboo]

Maybe his weed is always laced with something?

 

[Jhhnn]

If you're looking for "proof," you won't find it. There's no such thing as proof in the realm of science. But there's evidence.

Here's a fresh one that came out last year after an agent was recently developed that allowed CB1 receptors to be imaged in a live human subject. Long term chronic smokers had their CB1 receptors imaged in comparison to nonsmokers and was found that these receptors were downregulated by 20%.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3223558/

I would very much like to see evidence that the CB1 receptor doesn't follow the same homeostatic principles as other neurotransmitter receptors if you believe there's no physical dependency aspect of marijuana.

So now you demand that those on the other side of the argument prove a negative?

Prove that CB1 receptors act the same as other neurotransmitter receptors to have any sort of argument...

So far, you just skip merrily from one logical fallacy to another, doubling back when it suits your purposes.

 

[xj0hnx]

So now you demand that those on the other side of the argument prove a negative?

Prove that CB1 receptors act the same as other neurotransmitter receptors to have any sort of argument...

So far, you just skip merrily from one logical fallacy to another, doubling back when it suits your purposes.

Dude, he's arguing that pot can cause physical withdrawal symptoms on the magnitude of heroin, he HAS to live in the land of logical fallacy, there's no other world where that happens.

 

[Jhhnn]

While I do think marijuana is fairly safe, I don't buy that it's impossible to overdose on. I've had occasions where I've had too much. Such situations can actually be quite terrifying and convince the user that they're going to die. I'm not even talking huge quantities...even a large bowl's worth of good material can put you over the edge. While I think the vast majority of people that consume too much will end up being perfectly fine, I could see it causing problems for some (see what I mentioned above).

"Overdose" is generally referred to in the context of life threatening. There is no practical fatal dose for cannabis.

When over toked, that's when you have to question your own perceptions, remind yourself that it's only a drug, that it'll wear off. Having done that, such introspection can be used to a greater degree in everyday living. That's why propagandists hate cannabis- they don't want you to question your own assumptions & perceptions. They want to shape them so you'll believe in them w/o question.

Colbert coined the term "Truthiness", and in doing so touched on something so deep that most people suffering from its effects are incapable of understanding that they are. It's right where authoritarian propagandists want us all to be, in the palm of their hand.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dude, he's arguing that pot can cause physical withdrawal symptoms on the magnitude of heroin, he HAS to live in the land of logical fallacy, there's no other world where that happens.

True, but he's now trying to weasel his way back up to that, or at least to create the idea that there might be some merit to keeping an open mind to his fearmongering bullshit. I'm just pointing out the mechanisms employed.

 

[xj0hnx]

"Overdose" is generally referred to in the context of life threatening. There is no practical fatal dose for cannabis.

This. There is no known LD (Lethal Dose) of marijuana, they estimate that it is between 50 to 100lb worth ingested all in one dose.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If you're looking for "proof," you won't find it. There's no such thing as proof in the realm of science. But there's evidence.

Too bad, so sad.

Realistically speaking, if there is physical dependance to MJ compared to physical dependance to a number of legal and illegal drugs, it is so different that it doesn't warrant the effort you're putting in.

Your personal experience is so unusual, I would suspect the product you were receiving to be tainted with something.

 

[yhelothar]

What's needed is evidence that CB1 receptor does follow the same homeostatic principles as other neurotransmitters if you want to believe mj causes psychical dependency.

Your making the case it does, you need evidence. Sizable long term in depth studies.

Jesus fuck, you're fucking stupid. I just provided you the evidence. You need to educate yourself on the topic on what physical dependency actually is. Take a fucking neuropharmacology class or something. There are a few online, such as MIT courseware or coursera, or I can send you some of my notes from when I took it.

It's absolutely appalling how scientifically illiterate people are on this technology forum.

Your personal experience is so unusual, I would suspect the product you were receiving to be tainted with something.

Are you fucking stupid? The whole story that I typed up on that was describing the great lengths I went through to achieve the maximum high. I've never met anyone who smoked the way I did. Vast majority of people uses a small piece and takes small tokes.

 

[yhelothar]

True, but he's now trying to weasel his way back up to that, or at least to create the idea that there might be some merit to keeping an open mind to his fearmongering bullshit. I'm just pointing out the mechanisms employed.

Yup, let's not have an open mind here. Fuck scientific studies and all, it's all just fear mongering bullshit from the authorities that's desperately trying to scare people into not doing pot. None of it has any merit. I know pot is perfectly harmless to smoke as much as I fucking want with no side effects.

/thread

 

[hans030390]

"Overdose" is generally referred to in the context of life threatening. There is no practical fatal dose for cannabis.

When over toked, that's when you have to question your own perceptions, remind yourself that it's only a drug, that it'll wear off. Having done that, such introspection can be used to a greater degree in everyday living. That's why propagandists hate cannabis- they don't want you to question your own assumptions & perceptions. They want to shape them so you'll believe in them w/o question.

Colbert coined the term "Truthiness", and in doing so touched on something so deep that most people suffering from its effects are incapable of understanding that they are. It's right where authoritarian propagandists want us all to be, in the palm of their hand.

I think for a very small minority with pre-existing conditions or those on certain medications, it could be possible that high dosages that would normally be an uncomfortable experience for normal users would instead be potentially life threatening.

And while they might not be technically overdoses, have you seen someone that has smoked too much? Usually they end up feeling very cold, turn very pale, have an extremely rapid heart beat, can easily pass out or vomit, and generally feel like they're "dying" (generally referred to as a "whitey"). I've seen this happen and even personally experienced this with less than a gram of marijuana used, and this involved some very experienced users. Granted, every situation I've been in like this has turned out fine in the end, but it's a terrible, terrible experience regardless. I think situations like this could be potentially dangerous for some, as mentioned abbove, and I'm scared to think what it would even be like to be in a situation where even more marijuana was used than that. As someone who has personally used a number of substances for introspective purposes, "whiteys" and other similar, negative experiences can get to the point where most people can't get anything positive out of them.

As someone that is personally quite in love with marijuana and thinks it should be 100% legal and even more widely used, I think too many users over estimate its absolute safety to further push their ideas/agendas or what they want to be true.

 

[xj0hnx]

Are you fucking stupid? The whole story that I typed up on that was describing the great lengths I went through to achieve the maximum high. I've never met anyone who smoked the way I did. Vast majority of people uses a small piece and takes small tokes.

Yippee, you took some big bong rips, sorry guy, but what you described is nothing special. I know some guys in Madison WI that have a 6' with a bowl that holds a 1/4oz, takes three breaths to fill the chamber, most people end up puking after a good hit.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yup, let's not have an open mind here. Fuck scientific studies and all, it's all just fear mongering bullshit from the authorities that's desperately trying to scare people into not doing pot. None of it has any merit. I know pot is perfectly harmless to smoke as much as I fucking want with no side effects.

/thread

You've stroked every modern boogeyman about cannabis out of its cave repeatedly in this thread, following the tried & true methods of authoritarian propaganda.

Now, when called on it, you resort to the last defense of all propagandists, the strawman.

I never claimed that cannabis was perfectly harmless, but rather that it's the least harmful of commonly used intoxicants. Currently, the greatest danger & greatest societal cost to cannabis use is being arrested & incarcerated. Address that to have an honest argument.

 

[Zorkorist]

MaryJane is pretty strong today. I can remember her knocking me out 20 years ago.

Ain't nothing to be played with...

-John

 

[TechBoyJK]

I've been smoking daily for around 3 years now. Whether or not marijuana's usage can develop into a physical addiction, it certainly can become habitual. And if it can be physically addictive, I can only assume that it's relatively minor based on my experience and experiences from those that I know personally.

I'd label it more as a mental addiction, but one that would not normally develop into a debilitating one. Of course, even the internet can be mentally addicting. Nearly anything can be. I became surprisingly bored, restless, and upset when I didn't have the internet installed at my apartment for a week.

Marijuana is sort of like that for me. It's not necessary by any means, but I've grown used to it and quite like it. The same can be said for many non-necessities in my life. When I don't have it for a while, it seems a tad bit harder to focus, it takes me longer to fall asleep, and I might develop a headache. This usually subsides within no more than 2-4 days. Compare that to caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, or even OTC and prescription medications.

For me, that's hardly any cause for concern. Couple that with the fact that it has helped me become a better person over the years, has helped with the slight bit of anxiety I have, helps me fall asleep at night (would normally take 30mins at least before), AND is downright mentally fascinating and fun for me, I see it as much more of a positive aspect of my life than anything else. I try to consume it in non-smoking methods for health reasons.

As for it being potentially dangerous, I don't think children and those with developing brains should use it. A teenager trying it out a few times probably has nothing to worry about. I do think those with pre-existing conditions, especially those related to the heart, should be cautious. I know marijuana can increase one's heart rate and interacts poorly with some medications.

While I do think marijuana is fairly safe, I don't buy that it's impossible to overdose on. I've had occasions where I've had too much. Such situations can actually be quite terrifying and convince the user that they're going to die. I'm not even talking huge quantities...even a large bowl's worth of good material can put you over the edge. While I think the vast majority of people that consume too much will end up being perfectly fine, I could see it causing problems for some (see what I mentioned above).

It is impossible to overdose on. Accepted science along with things like the earth is round, water is wet. You have to be in a lab, with liquid thc being pumped into your veins. Amounts far higher (no pun intended) than what you can get out of smoking it.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

LMFAO This thread is a joke.

 

[Agent11]

Thread title is misleading, how can something that cannot harm you poison you?

 

[surfsatwerk]

Thread title is misleading, how can something that cannot harm you poison you?

I'd say my only shortcoming would be that I work too hard.

 

[lotus503]

Jesus fuck, you're fucking stupid. I just provided you the evidence. You need to educate yourself on the topic on what physical dependency actually is. Take a fucking neuropharmacology class or something. There are a few online, such as MIT courseware or coursera, or I can send you some of my notes from when I took it.

It's absolutely appalling how scientifically illiterate people are on this technology forum.



Are you fucking stupid? The whole story that I typed up on that was describing the great lengths I went through to achieve the maximum high. I've never met anyone who smoked the way I did. Vast majority of people uses a small piece and takes small tokes.

Blow it out your ass, a couple of poorly conducted small studies is the equivalent of shit for evidence. I read your link and a downgrade of receptors lead to increased tolerance not chemical dependency.

Your personal experience vs the personal experience of everyone else.

I do think the mj affected your mental state, you can barely keep it together on a message forum.

Keep moving the goalpost crybaby

 

[xj0hnx]

Blow it out your ass, a couple of poorly conducted small studies is the equivalent of shit for evidence.

Your personal experience vs the personal experience of everyone else.

I do think the mj affected your mental state, you can barely keep it together on a message forum.

Keep moving the goalpost crybaby

Better watch out, he is the ATPN leading neuropharmacology expert.

 

[lotus503]

Better watch out, he is the ATPN leading neuropharmacology expert.

The guy is a schmuck, he post crap for supportive evidence, when called on it moves the goalpost, when called on that, melts down into insults.

Fuck him