Mar-A-Lago members virtually running the VA

[Amused]

Well I speak from personal experience. I was working the 1992 Los Angeles riots, as an Orange County Deputy Sheriff, when I caught a knife through the wrist, severing two of my tendons for my fingers. I asked to be taken to the VA hospital in San Bernardino California. Just my luck that one of the top five hand men in the country, just happened to be having a cup of coffee with his nephew who was also a doctor, when I was wheeled into the ER. He is the reason I have 98% full functionality of my right hand today.

My father, a retired U.S. Air Force Maj. Gen., just had his second knee replacement surgery, at the VA hospital located at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio Texas.

In both cases, no paperwork, no "co-pays", no premiums, just awesome service. I wouldn't let a civilian doctor touch me with a gun to my head.

And all it cost me, was seven years of my life as a Marine, and I even got free flight school on top of all that.

Leave the VA alone, it does an awesome job for those who need it.

Thank you, brother. Non-veterans do not, and cannot grasp how important this is to veterans. Is it mismanaged? Yes. That's why I call for 100% veteran oversight of the VA system and benefits.

 

[Viper1j]

Thank you, brother. Non-veterans do not, and cannot grasp how important this is to veterans. Is it mismanaged? Yes. That's why I call for 100% veteran oversight of the VA system and benefits.

Yeah, They're like the men that think they know mor about birth control than the women that have the babies..

Half of them would poop their pampers if they ever had to stand a watch, or fly a CAP.

Color them clueless and go on with your day..

 

[SMOGZINN]

Yeah, They're like the men that think they know mor about birth control than the women that have the babies..

Half of them would poop their pampers if they ever had to stand a watch, or fly a CAP.

Color them clueless and go on with your day..

Thank you, brother. Non-veterans do not, and cannot grasp how important this is to veterans. Is it mismanaged? Yes. That's why I call for 100% veteran oversight of the VA system and benefits.

Stab wounds and knee replacements are not some super special vet medicine. This is just medicine. You are really talking about the basic medical needs of everyone. Why is it that so many people can see that our veterans need good medical support, but can't see that the rest of America does as well.

 

[Amused]

Stab wounds and knee replacements are not some super special vet medicine. This is just medicine. You are really talking about the basic medical needs of everyone. Why is it that so many people can see that our veterans need good medical support, but can't see that the rest of America does as well.

This right here is proof you have no idea what you're talking about. And why non-veterans do not, and cannot understand the needs of veterans unless they have spent considerable time studying those needs.

Reading this may help you begin to understand:

https://www.mdedge.com/fedprac/article/108568/why-va-health-care-different

 

[SMOGZINN]

This right here is proof you have no idea what you're talking about. And why non-veterans do not, and cannot understand the needs of veterans unless they have spent considerable time studying those needs.

Reading this may help you begin to understand:

https://www.mdedge.com/fedprac/article/108568/why-va-health-care-different

Loot at that article again, because I would challenge that almost everything that article says goes for any hospital in America. Those are not veteran specific issues, they are general health issues.

The VA has 3 core strengths that distinguish its services from those of the private sector in caring for veterans:
(1) systemwide clinical expertise regarding service-connected conditions and disorders;
(2) a team approach to primary care that is veteran-centric; and
(3) a holistic view of the veteran that includes physical, psychosocial, and economic determinants of health, as well as critical support services for family members and caregivers.

Those three core strengths are the things needed in any clinic. Just change the word 'service-connected' or 'veteran' with patient.
The article never defines anything special about 'veteran-centric' care, that is not also true for any patient.
Sure, they have some need for certain specialties more than the general public, but most of their work is still basic medical care.


I'm not arguing that the VA should not exist. Those specialties are needed by vets, and we have a duty to make sure our vets are cared for. Not just because we promised it to them, but because we asked it of them in the first place and it is the right thing to do.

I am saying that every argument for the VA existing is true of medical care in general. The VA is an argument for universal healthcare. The VA works, so could universal healthcare. Vets need medical care. So does everyone else.

 

[Amused]

Loot at that article again, because I would challenge that almost everything that article says goes for any hospital in America. Those are not veteran specific issues, they are general health issues.



Those three core strengths are the things needed in any clinic. Just change the word 'service-connected' or 'veteran' with patient.
The article never defines anything special about 'veteran-centric' care, that is not also true for any patient.
Sure, they have some need for certain specialties more than the general public, but most of their work is still basic medical care.


I'm not arguing that the VA should not exist. Those specialties are needed by vets, and we have a duty to make sure our vets are cared for. Not just because we promised it to them, but because we asked it of them in the first place and it is the right thing to do.

I am saying that every argument for the VA existing is true of medical care in general. The VA is an argument for universal healthcare. The VA works, so could universal healthcare. Vets need medical care. So does everyone else.

Oh. OK.

My argument for regular health care can fill the need of the VA is saying that's like claiming GPs can fill the needs of OB-GYN or oncology patients.

Veterans have a unique mix of issues standard hospitals and practices are ill equipped to provide.

 

[darkswordsman17]

This right here is proof you have no idea what you're talking about. And why non-veterans do not, and cannot understand the needs of veterans unless they have spent considerable time studying those needs.

Reading this may help you begin to understand:

https://www.mdedge.com/fedprac/article/108568/why-va-health-care-different

You're doing the same thing. There are people that have never served that have had injuries that severe. People stabbed, shot, dismembered, hurt in explosions, suffer from PTSD. In fact in outright numbers, I'm willing to bet its equal to if not more than military, just because the military is a fraction of the total population. His point is that, he wants VA level health care for everybody. I don't think he's disputing that people who serve have much higher rates of those things (per capita), just that he's saying that that stuff happens to normal people as well, so he'd like them to be able to get that stellar care as well.

I have no problem with you wanting people who have served to have a serious hand in things, and have them provide support and help in dealing with issues. I agree with him that we should be striving to provide that level of care for everyone. I want military people to be able to go to any hospital and be able to get that level of care. They're fine to want to prefer a VA hospital where they'll be around people that understand their mind and situations better, just like I think women would be fine to prefer facilities and staff that would understand their needs more. I'd like people to not have to worry that if they go to a facility that isn't specifically tailored to their needs, that they'll get subpar care.

I do have one question though. If the VA is so great, why was there a crisis over it several years back? Did they rectify the problems? If so, that's great, and that's a pretty quick turn around. Why can't we try and do the same for the greater populace? That's what his point is.

Please don't conflate him with the raging ignorant asshole that was shitting all over this thread.

 

[Amused]

You're doing the same thing. There are people that have never served that have had injuries that severe. People stabbed, shot, dismembered, hurt in explosions, suffer from PTSD. In fact in outright numbers, I'm willing to bet its equal to if not more than military, just because the military is a fraction of the total population. His point is that, he wants VA level health care for everybody. I don't think he's disputing that people who serve have much higher rates of those things (per capita), just that he's saying that that stuff happens to normal people as well, so he'd like them to be able to get that stellar care as well.

I have no problem with you wanting people who have served to have a serious hand in things, and have them provide support and help in dealing with issues. I agree with him that we should be striving to provide that level of care for everyone. I want military people to be able to go to any hospital and be able to get that level of care. They're fine to want to prefer a VA hospital where they'll be around people that understand their mind and situations better, just like I think women would be fine to prefer facilities and staff that would understand their needs more. I'd like people to not have to worry that if they go to a facility that isn't specifically tailored to their needs, that they'll get subpar care.

I do have one question though. If the VA is so great, why was there a crisis over it several years back? Did they rectify the problems? If so, that's great, and that's a pretty quick turn around. Why can't we try and do the same for the greater populace? That's what his point is.

Please don't conflate him with the raging ignorant asshole that was shitting all over this thread.

Sigh. The VA is a great idea that has been mismanaged by non-veterans (and yes, some veterans.

Just because it's been mismanaged does not mean it's a bad idea.

This is classic Trumpism and to a point, Reaganism too. Break something, under fund it, mismanage it, then point at it, say it's broken and was a bad idea to begin with.