Mar-A-Lago members virtually running the VA

[brycejones]

The VA operates many, many facilities throughout the US. There certainly are long wait times at some, but I have no idea the utilization rate of the system as a whole. In a private marketplace with the VA just serving as an insurance fund the veteran can choose between multiple healthcare providers and the marketplace will take care of wait times by itself. The savings would be had by not having to own and operate an elaborate healthcare system, leave that to the various private providers out there where competition is allowed to flourish. The VA wouldn't have doctors on staff they have to pay etc. Yes, doctors still get paid, and yes the healthcare system will have to beef up staff to accommodate, but ultimately it would be shared cost with the rest of the community that uses that facility. Opening up lots of options and not separate staff and facilities drives savings, there's no way it doesn't.

Once again you ADMIT to having no fucking idea what you are talking about and then continue on about how you think it could be better.

Fuck man, go educate yourself BEFORE you speak.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Once again you ADMIT to having no fucking idea what you are talking about and then continue on about how you think it could be better.

Fuck man, go educate yourself BEFORE you speak.

By all means baw show me how I'm wrong. Or just post inflaming comments and run away, either works.

 

[brycejones]

Why? It seems like good discussion is being had. I've looked through your post in this thread and there are five or six of them, but not a single one actually addresses the topic of the OP. You've posted several times but offered none of your own opinions. Why are you so concerned about our conversations when you aren't willing to engage in one yourself?

Quoted for irony.

 

[Amused]

Thanks will read later. VA needs to be shut down. Offer insurance to the vets and call it a day.

Are you a veteran?

 

[brycejones]

By all means baw show me how I'm wrong. Or just post inflaming comments and run away, either works.

So your basic position is you show up post whatever shit you want and then its up to the rest of us to educate you? Fuck that man, take some personal responsibility. Aren't you a giant supporter of the party of personal responsibility? Why do you choose to wallow in your own ignorance?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Are you a veteran?

No? I don't think that should disqualify me from having opinions on the VA system though, do you?

 

[brycejones]

No? I don't think that should disqualify me from having opinions on the VA system though, do you?

I think your opinions would carry more weight if they didn't start off with "I don't know" and then go from there.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Right now the VA is offering the best service I've ever seen from it and I hope that it only gets better for the sake of all veterans everywhere.

 

[fskimospy]

The VA operates many, many facilities throughout the US. There certainly are long wait times at some, but I have no idea the utilization rate of the system as a whole.

That kind of defeats your whole argument then.

In a private marketplace with the VA just serving as an insurance fund the veteran can choose between multiple healthcare providers and the marketplace will take care of wait times by itself. The savings would be had by not having to own and operate an elaborate healthcare system, leave that to the various private providers out there where competition is allowed to flourish. The VA wouldn't have doctors on staff they have to pay etc.

This makes no sense. VA costs are lower than those of Medicare and other insurance for the same procedures. If there are savings to be had then why isn’t the market currently having them? Why does the VA cost less and why would shifting to a more expensive model do anything but cost us more money?

Yes, doctors still get paid, and yes the healthcare system will have to beef up staff to accommodate, but ultimately it would be shared cost with the rest of the community that uses that facility. Opening up lots of options and not separate staff and facilities drives savings, there's no way it doesn't.

Once again: This. Makes. No. Sense. A doctor or staff member can serve X patients per day. If you are at X patients there is no increase in efficiency. There is no ‘rest of the community that uses the facility’ because once the facility is at max capacity you can’t add any more people. All evidence I am aware of shows the VA at higher utilization than private hospitals, meaning your idea drives up costs.

 

[UglyCasanova]

So your basic position is you show up post whatever shit you want and then its up to the rest of us to educate you? Fuck that man, take some personal responsibility. Aren't you a giant supporter of the party of personal responsibility? Why do you choose to wallow in your own ignorance?

I've posted my position and you've thrown names, say I'm an idiot, I don't know what I'm talking about etc. Feel free to refute them and show me how I’m wrong I’m certainly open to learning.

 

[whm1974]

I've posted my position and you've thrown names, say I'm an idiot, I don't know what I'm talking about etc. Feel free to refute them and show me how I’m wrong I’m certainly open to learning.

Then listen to the vets that use the VA services on about how good or bad it is run. Th whole point of this thread is about VA officials taking marching orders from private citizens who no legal authority to give them.

 

[Amused]

No? I don't think that should disqualify me from having opinions on the VA system though, do you?

Absofuckinglutely.

Non-veterans do NOT get a say in how veterans are treated or in what veterans need unless they consult and represent actual veterans themselves. Your opinions are utterly irrelevant and stem from a position of complete ignorance.

Not only that, but you have managed to hijack the entire thread with an ignorant, off topic conversation. A hijack that succeeded in diverting attention away from what will become quite possibly the largest scandal of this admin.

 

[brycejones]

I've posted my position and you've thrown names, say I'm an idiot, I don't know what I'm talking about etc. Feel free to refute them and show me how I’m wrong I’m certainly open to learning.

Actually I haven't called you an idiot. I did make fun of your avatar and call you ugly goat boy which I should stop doing. What I have said is you are willfully ignorant and post opinions which you freely acknowledge have no factual basis. Also several other posters HAVE posted how you are wrong and you just keep posting the same shit repeatedly. So you don't appear to be open to learning.

Again if you cared about being taken seriously you would first try to find at least some basis in reality for your viewpoint but you don't.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Then listen to the vets that use the VA services on about how good or bad it is run. Th whole point of this thread is about VA officials taking marching orders from private citizens who no legal authority to give them.

Which I think we have all agreed is wrong and should be investigated. I haven’t seen anyone argue otherwise. As far as the VA system itself I respect the vets opinion but their opinion on the economics of the system isn’t gospel just because they served either. People that haven’t served can have opinions too as crazy as that may sound.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Absofuckinglutely.

Non-veterans do NOT get a say in how veterans are treated or in what veterans need unless they consult and represent actual veterans themselves. Your opinions are utterly irrelevant and stem from a position of complete ignorance.

Not only that, but you have managed to hijack the entire thread with an ignorant, off topic conversation. A hijack that succeeded in diverting attention away from what will become quite possibly the largest scandal of this admin.

Hate to tell you but yeah they do. And if I “hijacked” a thread fskimospy is equally guilty thereof. I find it strange you’re so worried about what others are talking about but aren’t offering up your own. Neither I nor fskimospy are preventing you from talking about anything, so what’s the issue?

 

[Amused]

Hate to tell you but yeah they do. And if I “hijacked” a thread fskimospy is equally guilty thereof.

No. They don't. Again, your ignorant opinions based on nothing but ideology and 100% ignorance of veteran's needs is irrelevant.

Any opinion based on something you are not, and have never consulted much less represented anyone who is, is not based on any valid foundation.

 

[brycejones]

Which I think we have all agreed is wrong and should be investigated. I haven’t seen anyone argue otherwise. As far as the VA system itself I respect the vets opinion but their opinion on the economics of the system isn’t gospel just because they served either. People that haven’t served can have opinions too as crazy as that may sound.

Opinions on policies impacting someone's specialized health care should have some basis of fact to be valid.

We aren't discussing paint color choices.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Opinions on policies impacting someone's specialized health care should have some basis of fact to be valid.

We aren't discussing paint color choices.

I agree. What have I said in your opinion is inaccurate?

 

[brycejones]

I agree. What have I said in your opinion is inaccurate?

By your own admission you don't know the economics of the VA so do you think you have the appropriate factual basis for your statements in this thread?

 

[UglyCasanova]

By your own admission you don't know the economics of the VA so do you think you have the appropriate factual basis for your statements in this thread?

By my own admission I don’t know the utilization rate of all of the various facilities they operate. To the best of my knowledge neither does anyone else in this thread. You seem to be arguing just for the sake of doing so, not because you have anything in particular to say. If you’d actually like to discuss I’m all for it but I’m not going to engage simple "you’re dumb" mudslinging.

 

[zinfamous]

Why? It seems like good discussion is being had. I've looked through your post in this thread and there are five or six of them, but not a single one actually addresses the topic of the OP. You've posted several times but offered none of your own opinions. Why are you so concerned about our conversations when you aren't willing to engage in one yourself?

This thread and the OP is only about a triumvirate of hidden corporatist whores, unelected, unappointed, and wholly inexperienced, running one of the largest public organizations in the country by proxy, controlling our collective wealth, simply due to their history of paying tribute to an orangeman that fancies himself an old world oligarch.

You haven't once addressed that. From your very first post: constant, unapologetic, deflection.

go fuck yourself and your infantile playground "who me?" horseshit.

 

[UglyCasanova]

This thread and the OP is only about a triumvirate of hidden corporatist whores, unelected, unappointed, and wholly inexperienced, running one of the largest public organizations in the country by proxy, controlling our collective wealth, simply due to their history of paying tribute to an orangeman that fancies himself an old world oligarch.

You haven't once addressed that. From your very first post: constant, unapologetic, deflection.

go fuck yourself and your infantile playground "who me?" horseshit.

I believe I have several times. As I’ve stated earlier:

I’d think at a min Congress could demand head if VA be summoned to come and explain what the heck is going on and why. If laws are broke then proceed accordingly. If no laws broke but ethical standards not met then I’d imagine there’s some people at the VA that will be out of work.​

 

[13Gigatons]

Twitter is such pointless crap.

I honestly can't figure out how people keep up with it.

 

[Jhhnn]

I believe I have several times. As I’ve stated earlier:

I’d think at a min Congress could demand head if VA be summoned to come and explain what the heck is going on and why. If laws are broke then proceed accordingly. If no laws broke but ethical standards not met then I’d imagine there’s some people at the VA that will be out of work.​

Yeh, explain why Trump set up his rich club buddies to act as a shadow governing body of the VA. I mean, you know, as if they're vaguely qualified or as if Trump really has the legal authority to do that.

Congress? Like the GOP leadership will cross Trump ahead of this election.

 

[fskimospy]

Absofuckinglutely.

Non-veterans do NOT get a say in how veterans are treated or in what veterans need unless they consult and represent actual veterans themselves. Your opinions are utterly irrelevant and stem from a position of complete ignorance.

Not only that, but you have managed to hijack the entire thread with an ignorant, off topic conversation. A hijack that succeeded in diverting attention away from what will become quite possibly the largest scandal of this admin.

As a veteran, while I think UC doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to health care I completely agree with him that non-veterans are just as able to talk about this as anyone else. They are paying for it in part so they get a say.

That being said I do think it’s a problem that this thread has been diverted away from the absolutely colossal corruption this shows and I’m partly to blame for that so, I’m sorry!